If English wasn't your first language, maybe if you learned English later in life, were there any words that you had a really hard time learning how to pronounce? Do you think that had to do with the sounds made in your first language?

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[–] 46 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Colonel.

Less of how hard it is to actually pronounce, more like how hard it is to believe it's pronounced that way.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    It was spelled with an R in the past, and they tried to change it to an L (because that's how it "properly" should be according to its origins), but only the spelling stuck, probably due to everyone being illiterate anyway.

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  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago (10 children)
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    English as my first language and I can’t get that one right either.

    No one can.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago* (5 children)

    Wuh ster shuh. I live in that county, it's definitely over-hyped.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    You don't say the last 'R'? I've always said it 'woo - stur - sure' or 'wi - stur - sure,' depending on how fast I say it.

    I'm American though.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    That's because you're American. That's how you say it with an American accent. Like think about how Brits say "sure" vs how Americans say "sure". Americans pronounce the R far more.

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  • [–] 22 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    When I was younger it was any word where an R is followed by an L. Girl, world, twirl.. im better at them now tho

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    "The". The "th" in "the" is the only sound in English I can think of that doesn't have a very similar counterpart in Dutch. The closest you could get using just Dutch phonemes would be "zuh" or "duh".

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Don't feel bad, everyone. English pronunciation IS difficult, though through tough thorough thought, you can do it!

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    When I was first learning as a kid, I used to pronounce three as tree. I actually got picked on a lot because of it, because middle schoolers are assholes

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  • [–] 26 points 10 months ago (16 children)

    Ask a German to pronounce “squirrel.”

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    The delightful thing is that it works in reverse also: ask a native English speaker to pronounce "Eichhörnchen."

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (5 children)

    Eye-ch-urn-ken?

    Irish and we have that gutteral Ch sound in Irish so I feel like it's a cheat code for us.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    None of those ch's are guttural and you skipped an h;)

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

    So.... eye-ch-churn-chen?

    First bit like Ike (edit: or Reich)

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    The ch digraph in both instances of Eichhörnchen is pronounced closer to the way you pronounce the first consonant in the word "hue". It's closer to the front of the mouth than the one you're thinking of in Irish. It's ç in the International Phonetic Alphabet. It's a different sound than the other way that ch is pronounced in German and has to do with what sounds/letters appear around it. The other pronunciation of ch in German is normally pronounced as x (this sound is the one you're thinking of that's in Irish) or χ.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)

    This one's actually funny to me. It's a bit of a meme that francophones struggle with squirrel and anglophones struggle with écureuil, but I personally had no trouble with it. You just have to hear it once.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    My francophone wife practiced saying squirrel for like 7 years before she was able to get it kinda right, so that's very impressive if true. It doesn't help that in my accent, it's pronounced as one syllable. Even good approximations of the pronunciation that I've heard by French speakers are usually done in two syllables.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)
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    Is it tricky? English is my first language and it doesn’t seem difficult to me, but I never gave it much thought. So fascinating.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago

    It only has a single vowel, which is an r-coloured vowel...which most languages don't have. For that matter, many languages don't even have our "r" sound, so colouring a vowel with "r" is incredibly hard when you don't even have that consonant to colour with!

    Not to mention that after using that r-coloured vowel, you have a semi-syllabic L immediately afterwards. (Is squirrel one syllable or two? Depends on who you ask I guess!). As you may know, L and R are the same in some languages. And even if a language has both AND pronounces them the same ways as English (not necessarily common), they might not allow an L to follow an R! (Just like how we don't allow R to follow an L)

    Oh, and which vowel are we colouring? "i" or the "short I". This is a very rare vowel, following a third dimension (tenseness) that the majority of other vowels don't use. Not common in other languages, either!

    So that's the last two sounds.

    The first three is a consonant cluster containing another uncommon consonant (w). And even ignoring that, s and k can't always be combined together in other languages.

    So literally every sound in the word "squirrel" has something foreign and rare about it to many languages immediately as you start to get past that "s" sound. Brutal.

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    The th sound is honestly a bit difficult. Three will end up sounding like either tree or free, but not three. Usually I just pronounce it as a slightly weird T. I have quite a Dutch accent anyways and that just something y'all will have to deal with ;p

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    It's a common one my brother! The F sound in free is made where your top teeth are on your bottom lips, and tongue is retracted. The th sound is when your tongue is resting on or just behind your top teeth, almost like you're smiling.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (8 children)
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    I always thought it was amusing that both German and English have equally difficult words for those fuzzy little rodents. "Squirrel" and "eichhörnchen."

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)
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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    I wouldn't say struggle, but I did wonder for a while how to pronounce "anemone".

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    I'm having a whole cognitive dissonance moment because I could've sworn it was "anenome". I even studied this in college and have an ecology degree. Likely over the last twenty years I convinced myself that the common incorrect pronunciation is correct, but I immediately looked it up and then tried to rationalize that it was some sort of mandala effect. The simplest answer is that it's confabulation on my part, and I'm wrong.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    The number of native English speakers who can't pronounce "specific" and instead say "pacific" is too damn high.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    "sp" cluster can be hard. So can "sk" at the end of a word. Hence why you can get "axe" instead of "ask"

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    English is my first language but saying "edited it" drives me crazy.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    For most new native English speakers, it's Spaghetti (pisketty) and Elephant (efalent). For my son it was Caterpillar (calapitter). I struggled with pronouncing Uncomfortable. I wanted to say every syllable.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    You would be accurate if you pronounced every syllable of the word uncomfortable. Americans are just lazy, not pronouncing every syllable. Nobody would look at you strangely if you pronounced every syllable of that word. It would just seem like you're emphasizing HOW UNCOMFORTABLE you are if you pronounce every syllable of the word :-)

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    No, I mean that as a kid, I wanted to say every syllable, but I found it difficult. I could hear adults saying it the easy way, but I wanted to know the real word. I loved to read as a kid, and soaked up every word I could find.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Ignominious anthropomorphic pauciloquy.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I think many, many native speakers would struggle with those too so if you're at that level you're doing really well. Congrats!

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Corollary. Not only I can't say it out loud, I can't even form it properly with my inner voice.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    I always pronounced “only” as “on-lie”. I heard other people say “only” and couldn’t understand what they meant.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Facade as Fack-aid, is one.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I've never heard anyone of any native language pronounce it fack-aid? The English speakers I hear always say fuh-saad. Or are you saying that fack-aid is how you pronounce it and you struggle with fuh-saad?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    Most loan-words are hard for ESL learners, they retain the original language pronunciation and break many phonetic rules of English pronunciation.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Oh so you're saying the latter.

    Fuh-saad is pretty in line with English pronunciation "rules" (though English doesn't really have pronunciation rules the same way other languages do—see though, through, cough, bough, etc). Maybe a more "English" way of saying it would be fuh-sayd, but I think the c would be interpreted as a soft c even if it weren't a loanword. Again, hard to say with English which is notoriously inconsistent though.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Some English speakers pronounce that the french way

    Niche is another weird one bc in some contexts it is pronouched the french way in others, "nitch".

    The squirrel's ecological "nitch".

    Finding your niche in the job market....

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