The cargo company should be prosecuted for littering. Unless they can convince some benevolent locals to go help them clean up the spill.
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Their source for it potentially being illegal comes from the daily heil so I would ignore it
As I wrote kn the other post, the daily mail is a shit rag that only publishes ragebait stuff.
Second, the authority in charge of recovery shipwrecked stuff that washes up later clarified that no, they are not going to be arrested.
People should stay away because the local authority needs to clear up, but if you take some and don't impede operations it's ok.
I have reported the post a) for misinformation b) for being from a source so unreliable Wikipedia has banned it c) from a source that is racist and supported the literal 20th century German Nazi party
I included your Guardian link as evidence of the misinformation
The upvote/downvote ratio is beyond recovery now so I encourage others to do the same.
"The guards were on the river bank to make sure the poor didn't take the fruit from the river, when that was too expensive it was collected in a pile and doused in kerosene. The hogs were burned as well all for the sake of profit" -grapes of wrath
I honestly think about it to this day. We didn't give milk to the homeless during covid. Farmers dumped it all for profit. We don't grow food to feed We gro food to make profit.
I don't know anything about British courts, but I doubt that any court is going to find anybody guilty of any major crime for collecting bananas washing up on the beach, for which the corporation that lost them got an insurance settlement to cover the loss. That's salvage, and salvage rights are long established.
I've seen Oliver twist, they are ready to sentence people to jail for this crime.
I mean, that was slightly fictional, although that's the maybe the joke. And set a sesquicentury ago.
That's a big word. You need some reedumacation
Yeah, I futzed with it a bit. At first I did sesquicentennial, but that's purely an adjective which isn't great. Sesquicentenary refers to the day, so that wouldn't work. So, I made a nonce word which, if you know these other two, is clear.
I'll just ignore the insulting tone.
While the coastguard was clear that they didn't mean the bananas
this does not include perishable goods like foodstuffs.
everyone here IS following maritime salvage law.
The "long established" rule is: the owner has all rights to the cargo and wreck, but must compensate those who assist in recovery only if the owner agrees to assistance
The British maritime law that keeps getting referenced here was put into place initially to ensure that people would be compensated completely when assisting.
Previously, when it was a raw 'handshake' agreement, there would be negotiations before helping which delayed assistance, or Party A would screw over Party B with a low-ball reward, or Party B would just nope out of the situation for fear of not getting reimbursed and risk of damaging their own property.
The shipping company in this situation asked for assistance and sent a list of missing stuff, especially since they were threatened with penalties for creating a hazardous waterway. If you find missing stuff, you report it, and the government knows already how much you should be compensated and makes sure you get it. In this case, the company wants their expensive refrigeration equipment.
I have no idea if they offer a reasonable amount, but this was the intent.
this reminds me of the famous quote in the grapes of wrath
The works of the roots of the vines, of the trees, must be destroyed to keep up the price, and this is the saddest, bitterest thing of all. Carloads of oranges dumped on the ground. The people came for miles to take the fruit, but this could not be. How would they buy oranges at twenty cents a dozen if they could drive out and pick them up? And men with hoses squirt kerosene on the oranges, and they are angry at the crime, angry at the people who have come to take the fruit. A million people hungry, needing the fruit- and kerosene sprayed over the golden mountains. And the smell of rot fills the country. Burn coffee for fuel in the ships. Burn corn to keep warm, it makes a hot fire. Dump potatoes in the rivers and place guards along the banks to keep the hungry people from fishing them out. Slaughter the pigs and bury them, and let the putrescence drip down into the earth.
There is a crime here that goes beyond denunciation. There is a sorrow here that weeping cannot symbolize. There is a failure here that topples all our success. The fertile earth, the straight tree rows, the sturdy trunks, and the ripe fruit. And children dying of pellagra must die because a profit cannot be taken from an orange. And coroners must fill in the certificate- died of malnutrition- because the food must rot, must be forced to rot. The people come with nets to fish for potatoes in the river, and the guards hold them back; they come in rattling cars to get the dumped oranges, but the kerosene is sprayed. And they stand still and watch the potatoes float by, listen to the screaming pigs being killed in a ditch and covered with quick-lime, watch the mountains of oranges slop down to a putrefying ooze; and in the eyes of the people there is the failure; and in the eyes of the hungry there is a growing wrath. In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage.
Prosecuted for what? Enjoying a meal? A succulent, banana meal?
Inb4 this is some archaic law that says all booties washed ashore belong to the monarch or something
There exist an archaic law like that, but it doesn't include all booties, only 'Royal Fish', and imho it would be a stretch to consider bananas as whales or sturgeons.
This case would be under maritime law. Iirc the cargo still belongs to the shipping company if it fell, but would be a 'finders keepers' if they threw it overboard. But I'm not a lawyer (sea lawyer?), I think this is for recoveries at sea, when it's already on shore local laws might apply instead, idk...
Man.....I had no idea the monarchy was so into lathered up clean butts!
Not really archaic - if this was valuable stuff washing up on shore, the law would still be relevant.
The works of the roots of the vines, of the trees, must be destroyed to keep up the price, and this is the saddest, bitterest thing of all. Carloads of oranges dumped on the ground. The people came for miles to take the fruit, but this could not be. How would they buy oranges at twenty cents a dozen if they could drive out and pick them up? And men with hoses squirt kerosene on the oranges, and they are angry at the crime, angry at the people who have come to take the fruit. A million people hungry, needing the fruit- and kerosene sprayed over the golden mountains. And the smell of rot fills the country. Burn coffee for fuel in the ships. Burn corn to keep warm, it makes a hot fire. Dump potatoes in the rivers and place guards along the banks to keep the hungry people from fishing them out. Slaughter the pigs and bury them, and let the putrescence drip down into the earth.
There is a crime here that goes beyond denunciation. There is a sorrow here that weeping cannot symbolize. There is a failure here that topples all our success. The fertile earth, the straight tree rows, the sturdy trunks, and the ripe fruit. And children dying of pellagra must die because a profit cannot be taken from an orange. And coroners must fill in the certificate- died of malnutrition- because the food must rot, must be forced to rot. The people come with nets to fish for potatoes in the river, and the guards hold them back; they come in rattling cars to get the dumped oranges, but the kerosene is sprayed. And they stand still and watch the potatoes float by, listen to the screaming pigs being killed in a ditch and covered with quick-lime, watch the mountains of oranges slop down to a putrefying ooze; and in the eyes of the people there is the failure; and in the eyes of the hungry there is a growing wrath. In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage.
Police, customs authorities, and the Receiver of Wrecks have warned beachcombers not to eat the bananas or to take them home.
This is the only mention in the linked article.
People online don't always seem to realise that the Daily Mail is considered THE worst newspaper publication, in the entire UK. It's the sort of thing you wouldn't pick up to line your floor for a new dog.
May I introduce you to the Daily Express
The Morning Star, which last I saw one had a 2 page spread: “STALIN DID NOTHING WRONG “.
I mean at a fundamental level, it probably is illegal. I don't imagine the original owner stops owning a thing because it fell off the side of a boat, so I'd imagine it's theft or some seafaring equivalent.
Is anyone going to get punished for picking up a banana that's fallen off the side of a boat? I fucking doubt it.
Receiver of Wrecks is a pretty metal title tho. If he's telling me to do something I might listen
Got a loicense for that banana, mate?
I could've sworn the Australian word for banana was bendigo bendy...
yes, and for my pet louse
In their defense, the warning could just be a CYA thing if someone eats one, gets sick and wants to sue for food poisoning.
Excuse me. There's a sign at Ramsett Park that says "Do not drink the sprinkler water," so I made sun tea with it, and now I have an infection. Sir? Sir, are... are... are... are you listening to me, sir? Sir, I'm talking to you! Sir! Sir, are you aware that there is waste in your water system?
That'd make sense, but they didn't warn about the possible consequences; they warn that you may be prosecuted
That's probably the case, or at least a part of it, but it's crazy that it's gotten to that point. If somebody finds a food item in the wild and decides to eat it, the consequences should be 100% on them. It doesn't even have to apply to food, either.
If I find a block heater on the ground, install it into my car, and then my car catches fire; I'm not going to go after the manufacturer of the block heater. I'm the idiot who decided to do something stupid.
That being said there's real life cases which indicate that yes, people are stupid and will sue over their own stupidity, so I'm not surprised at all.
Highly doubt you’ll be prosecuted or even arrested. I could walk into a grocery store and grab a bunch of bananas and walk out right now and nobody would care, they just be like “that was weird”
But...
The Charter of the Forest declared that people are free to sustain themselves from the land.
This is the sea no?
Bit more nuanced as wreckage and salvaged items are not naturally occuring.
So the rumors are true, good food is indeed illegal in the UK.
Fuck the bananas
I want the Cocaine washing up on the shores
I honestly feel like cocaine to a large extent is partially responsible for much of the world's malignant narcissist billionaire evil rulers. And hence, you are not allowed to eat bananas. So maybe the world needs less cocaine, not more.
Naw, we just need equal access to cocaine. Level the playing field with subsidized cocaine I say!
I prefer the theory of the bourgeois that has to live with his community and therefore has to care compared to wall communities and an apartment in dubai.
So maybe the world needs less cocaine, not more.
Woh there with your hot take
While true (maybe), if I find a brick of coke I'm 100% busting that down into 8balls and getting it gone quick. I know cokeheads suck but I gotta make a buck too and one isn't that much in the grand scheme of keys.
Tbh we're just lucky I don't turn it into an E-40 song before I break it down.
Fuck the bananas
No, that's also illegal.
british government more protective of bananas arriving on shore than they are refugees
This government has arresting people for demonstrating against that government's active support of the mass murdering of children in Gaza, so morally speaking, putting bananas ahead of people (even poor Brits who might actually need those free bananas) is nothing in comparison.
Sometimes I suspect that making sure people suffer is their whole point.
bananas have more rights and people in Britain apparently
You need to leave alone the earthly process of food falling off container ships. It's nature's way.
Back in the days in The Netherlands it used to be a hobby/profession called "strandjutter" which means "beachcomber". But these days it is illegal to take stuff which washes up on the shores. It's because it's still considered someone else's property, for the sake of cleanup responsibility, or it could be dangerous if it's toxic or sharp for example. A washed up oil drum could contain nuclear waste or a dumped body, which would be an active crime scene and should stay undisturbed.
So when you think of why they introduces this it's somewhat understandable they made this law. It's just completely stupid when you look at it from a different perspective: it's litter on the beach, why wouldn't it be free to take. Sometimes people find arguments to push a law without thinking how insanely dumb it is. Most of the time it's just pieces of wood and plastic, most beachcombers are artists using it for their art projects. Free litter cleanup. Doesn't mean you can't hold the shipping company responsible for littering.
Especially in this case, maybe the bananas are filled with cocain. That would be awesome!


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