So... What about autistic people sounding like LLMs before LLMs were a thing?
post
Well—that is certainly a meticulous observation! 🔍
I knew this was a clickbait when it's gizmodo, but oof
The mods in the Wired story explain how they detect AI content, and unfortunately their methods boil down to “It’s vibes.”
You are absolutely right!
So perversely chatbots are increasing people's vocabulary because people read so few books anymore and most of their word usage comes from what they read online?
What’s more than that, chatbots use those words because writers use those words. That’s journalist vocab. And bots were trained on articles and written speech. I think you’re right, people just weren’t reading anything.
That's kinda how I took it. Be funny if language evolved back into flowery Victorian speech.
I have all these odd pauses in my speech and just realized they're em dashes.
I always liked the dramatic...
...
...
...
...
...
...pause.
I've never used em-dashes to represent them. Am I doing it wrong?
I'm one of those deranged few who actually used em dashes in my normal typing habits. Not super often the way LLMs are prone to, maybe once a month tops. Alt+0151 or Compose, dash, dash, dash.
Now a find myself reluctant to use what I felt was a useful bit of punctuation out of concern people might think what I'm typing was LLM generated. It sucks.
People have been speaking with punctuation since language was invented. If you only now realize that pause is an em-dash, that's on your schooling. :-p
Your brain runs on ChatGPT now. Better start eating a diet of NVidia GPUs.
If a development leads to the downfall of r/AmITheAsshole, I'm all for it.
What's that, and why should it be destroyed?
It’s a subreddit mentioned in the article that is mostly used to claim moral superiority by constructing ridiculous fake stories. Its mods claim that they are starting to have trouble to distinguish genuine from generated responses, but this sub always sounded like one giant moralistic hivemind.
And just to be sure: It was a joke.
I have found myself saying this phrase to people recently:
"Summarize what you just said in a single sentence."
And so far, everybody has done it.
I bet this is true but also that a lot of the "human" sources they reviewed were actually written by LLMs anyway, not humans. This is reddit we're taking about.
What logically follows is that I need to be as weird and eccentric as possible in order to counteract the memetic contagion of a lovecraftian averaging machine. I bet I could make a cult out of this!
It's a catch-22 - try to be more unique, in an effort not to lose your humanity, but in doing so keep feeding the machine which subsists on creativity. A human-AI ouroboros.
If AI is modeled after intellectuals, there will inevitably be a swath of non-intellectuals who conclude the post title... because the idea of intellectuals predating AI is unthinkable to them.
I used an AI to analyze a piece of writing I did years ago, long before AI was a thing. It determined that there was some huge margin of my work was likely written by AI, and when I asked why, it stated by use of sentence structure, words spelt using British spellings, oxford commas, and emdashes indicated I was AI — which I am not.
Depressing, but not surprising. Even before the AS hype, I had long noticed that many people I regularly talk to (including a member of my immediate family who has been a teacher for decades) make horrendous spelling and grammar mistakes that they wouldn't make if they picked up at least one book, at least once every few months. So: people were already forgetting how to write, spell, and even read coherently way before chatbots.
"You know the saying, 'Human see, human do.'" - Julius, Planet of the Apes
Hahaha, now even the source of new data is starting to be poisoned by LLMs...good luck trying to outproduce LLM slop to train LLMs...and ending up with goop real fast.
If you read the actual article there's barely any evidence that any of what they are claiming is even remotely true. They talk about vague connections through certain words being used on YouTube that are, in their own words, inconclusive. And a bunch of anecdotal instances on reddit in which mods use "vibes" to detect AI slop comments and posts. And then finish with more anecdotes about some real world encounters that they think are written by AI.
I mean, no doubt that AI garbage is filtering into online discourse because let's face it, people are lazy assholes who want easy karma and updoots. But this is hardly evidence that actual conversational language is being altered by AI.
What a bunch of trend chasers: many of us were doing that before AI. Posers.
It won't be long before the keyboard itself is minimized for online communication. Models will be personalized for you in the sense that your text messages, emails, etc can all be generated. Then you just have to select the one you want to use. Kind of like auto-completion now taken to the next level with "AI".
I have never heard people say fluff this often before chatgpt came out. Now everyone uses "no fluff" 💀
The worst part - through human communication, texts on the internet, etc. - it seems to propagate towards people who don't even use AI.
I myself have strong aversion to it, but found myself using much more bullet points, cliché constructions, and yes - even em-dashes - when I don't actively pay attention to how I write.
I've always been sensitive to language around me, naturally adapting to the environment around - and now it backfires.
As someone who has used dashes for decades, this recent trend bothers me.
My huge ADHD sentences love the dash action, but with AI using it now people think I use it to write.
I see the point being made; however, how the fuck else might I jam several clauses into one compound megasentence - overwrought and peppered with purple prose - if not with multiple types of punctuation? Should I summarize, streamline? Clearly not: all thoughts should be expressed in full, replete with all irrelevant details. Perhaps remove unneeded, intra-sentence explanations and asides (like this one, which I'm quite fond of) of details obvious to the reader?! Never!
No AI could write with matching convolution — especially when, unlike me, it cannot do so on the toilet.
Your eloquence strikes me as unnecessary but beautiful - truly, it is in human nature to overcomplicate, but in such a special way that makes it unique and almost spiritual instead of verbose and obtuse. I compliment your decisiveness and ability - a distinctively human ability - to see through this thin line and turn your toilet habit into something so profound. Yet, I cannot help but note that taking out the phone while unloading your bowel - or bladder, for that matter - is yet another symptom - a very alarming symptom - of the modern age interfering with our ability to distance ourselves from a neverending steam of distractions, one that comes hand in hand with modern AI-powered enshittification. So, if you'd like to truly reconnect with your roots, to find human in yourself - perhaps it might be bright to create an intimate space where the only connection you experience is a connection with yourself.
Perhaps, I couldn't express myself as vividly as you do; for that I apologize; yet, I'm not even operating in the domain of my mother tongue, so I hope I can be forgiven. Besides, one other distinctively human thing is to try regadless.
Doubtful since I've yet to use one, but whatever.
You are not insulated from the effects just because you don’t use it. If you use the internet, chances are you’ve read bot output.
Undoubtedly, but cheery sycophant isn't really my bag. I would suppose the people most affected would be the ones chatting with bots daily and not those reading articles. Regardless, I already behave like a bot because of my AuADHD I don't think I need to start speaking like one lol.
ChatGPT alone has over 800 million weekly users yet you doubt this because you personally don't use one?
It said humans as in everyone, just giving my anecdotal evidence. No I'm not speaking for everyone. What a sad statistic by the way.
It doesn't matter that you personally don't use it. Other people do and you can't escape the influence they have on you no more than they can that of an LLM.
I also find it odd to have such a strong opinion about something you have zero first-hand experience of.
Fucking try me, I've done it my whole life so far. I really don't care what you find odd about me. Just because I don't use the technology doesn't mean I don't understand it, and that is precisely why I don't use it.
I live in the mountains with satellite internet. The closest people are from the way station thousands of miles away. Humans have no more influence on me than those strange, collusi shadow creatures that roams the mountain at night, outside my house.
What matters the most is not the words within an utterance, but the discourse conveyed by that utterance. [Translation: how you say it matters less than what you say.]
Under certain circumstances. How you say things in work and personal settings such as dating can absolutely affect outcomes.
The number of times I've been attacked over tone growing up tells me that I either had abusive parents, or and that how you say stuff matters a lot. Intonation can also turn a statement into a question or even make it sarcastic. Words come with baggage beyond their meaning, and using a word with negative connotations can turn a compliment into an insult.
I take the specific view that inadvertent phrasing of three words or less has repeatedly changed my life. Three is actually really excessive. One usually does the job; I only had to go to three once.
But then again, I'm a writer. Oh, I sure as shit wasn't the first time, but this is where serendipity cones into play. You know what you have to say without even thinking about it.
And they kind of give up looking for meaning on what others say.
Or use an Ai to summarize it...
I read all the words, but all I can see is the Em dash. I do hope it there as a little joke. I do so love when people make that kind of little joke.
Do humans also go insane when you ask them if there is a seahorse emoji? If so, I have a fun idea for one of those prank videos.
Let's delve into the peculiarities of this article— shall we? (/s)
A lot of people don't know what proper English looks like because they don't read enough books offline, and so chatbots, sounding grammatically correct or even passing a single customer service or human reading check are elevated to the status of "speaks proper English" by neophytes.
As a result, people who want to be seen as speaking _"completely proper English" _ will adopt certain habits of the chatbots (especially if they're from a different nation or speak a foreign language and don't understand the grammatical rules of English natively), e.g: Like the Nigerian Tech scams.
You also have the incompetent, like the UK politicians mentioned, converting "simple English to complex English" using an LLM dialect/formatting tool.
Shit, piss, motherfucker and cock. 👍🏼
How are "books offline" more proper English than books online, exactly? They're the same books, no?
That's an Excellent Question! Here are the fourteen ways to speak better...
I remember my grandparents saying they dream in black and white like they’re old tv programs.
I didn’t watch many movies as a kid, but my cousins rented them all the time. I remember thinking they all talked and argued as if they were in a movie.
Really makes you wonder about us, and the next gen.
Claiming we now speak in a chatbot-influenced dialect disregards the beauty of human expression. Language evolves with technology, but that doesn’t mean we’re losing our voice. Instead, we’re blending styles, adapting to new contexts while holding on to our rich heritage. Let’s celebrate this evolution rather than fear it; it reflects our creativity in an ever-changing world!
/j
all 69 comments