Alleged gunman faces nine charges including second-degree murder in New York state case

Luigi Mangione is due to appear in Manhattan state court on Monday for the first day of a potentially weeklong proceeding to weigh the legality of evidence gathered during his arrest after the killing of a prominent healthcare executive.

Mangione was apprehended last December in the murder of senior United HealthCare figure Brian Thompson last December. In addition to state-level charges, he faces a Manhattan federal court case.

Thompson’s brutal slaying on the streets of New York city triggered an intense manhunt for the killer, but also sparked an outpouring of anger at the practices of the US for-profit healthcare industry. Since his arrest Mangione has attracted some enthusiastic supporters, both online and at his court appearances.

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[–] 75 points 11 months ago (10 children)

The slaying wasn’t that brutal

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  • [–] 65 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    A clean, point blank shot to the head is just about as un-brutal as it gets, as far as non-consensual deaths go

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  • [–] 22 points 11 months ago

    A brutal slaying would be taking money from someone for years with the promise that if they get hurt, you will take care of them; and then when that occurs, you force them and their family through tons of beaurocracy before denying their help and consigning them to a slow death.

    The editor should be fired for allowing such blatant bias to be published.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    It was a suicide. The video was just AI

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    He had committed enough legal homicide; he was practically asking for it.

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  • [–] 150 points 11 months ago (14 children)

    Mangione’s legal team has repeatedly pushed for the exclusion of evidence gathered during his arrest at an Altoona, Pennsylvania, McDonald’s restaurant on 9 December 2024. They have claimed that police, who came to the fast-food eatery based on an anonymous tip, did not immediately apprise Mangione of his constitutional rights.

    Mangione’s lawyers have argued that because he was not apprised of his rights, his statements to police should not be permitted in court. They also argue that evidence taken during his arrest should be barred, saying they conducted a “warrantless search” of Mangione’s backpack.

    This is the crux of the issue.

    Ever since the start I've been saying he was a suspect and they were tracking him based off of illegally obtained evidence. The whole tip was BS. Some random person (most likely cop or fed) told a fast food worker there was a reward and to call it in, then just left.

    They needed an excuse to say they found a suspect, because they found him illegally. It's actually standard procedure called "parallel investigation".

    But even if the call holds up, they fucked up all the evidence gathering.

    I really think he'll get off on a technicality and trump will try to jail him anyways keep the wealthy happy

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  • [–] 38 points 11 months ago* (6 children)

    The way I see this going is

    Mangione wins his initial case on the issues you highlight.

    Theres a big legal slapfight.

    Ends up in front of the supreme court.

    Trump makes a public statement about how dangerous people like Mangione need to be found guilty and executed.

    Shortly after the statement, the Supreme Court abruptly declares Mangione guilty.

    Trump holds a public execution within a month. Possibly profiting off it by selling tickets to his billionaire backers.

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  • [–] 32 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    SCOTUS doesn't (normally) rule on guilt, they rule on the legal questions raised in the appeal, and send cases back down to be finished.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    Can the Supreme Court overrule a jury? Doesn't he have a right to a jury trial? Can Mangione be convicted if no jury is willing to do it?

    Not that constitutional rights have ever stopped Trump.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago

    If theres no one willing to follow the law, then nothing can be held accountable.

    as you see with the trump admin. Does whatever it wants, with almost impunity, because they have corrupted the entire system to get rid of all checks and balances.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    because they found him illegally

    Remind me again on what illegal method(s) were suspected to be used?

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  • [–] 56 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I think GP is alleging that the feds used NSA spy shit to locate Mr. Mangione at the Pennsylvania McDonalds through his burner phone.

    But... It is a violation of federal law to spy on an American like that. So the feds have not admitted to that. Instead, they manufactured an anonymous tip, based on legally obtained surveillance video from New York, in order to have a legal reasonable suspicion to question Mr. Mangione.

    And then the local cops who responded fucked it up anyway by blocking his path of retreat, which is a functional arrest, and then not Mirandizing. And they also searched the backpack before they had any probable cause to do so, and after they had removed it safely away from Mr. Mangione. Without PC, the cops may search the backpack or Mangione for weapons only (the infamous stop and frisk), but they cannot search the backpack insides if they have removed it away from Mangione. The backpack is no longer a threat at that point

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    IANAL but AFAIK without PC, they can only pat down his person (for officer safety) similar to what TSA does at the airport, but not reach into his pockets or backpack as that's considered a search. It's a subtle but important difference.

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  • [–] 35 points 11 months ago

    NYC is covered with cell snoopers....

    Very very accurate snoopers, if he had a cell phone they'd have done that quickly without a warrant. And once they had his number from that, they could track him anywhere.

    It's also one of the highest camera densities in the world, if there wasn't a phone then they likely tapped into every camera and ran facial recognition, again without a warrant.

    But that's just the stuff we know about. A CEO was shot on the street, that's too close for the oligarchs so I wouldn't be surprised if they got the government to use the top secret shit that's supposed to just be for terrorists. Stuff we couldn't even think of, but might hear about a decade from now once it's no longer state of the art.

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  • [+] 89 points 11 months ago* (12 children)
  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Americans get murdered by insurance company CEO’s and their shareholders every day.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    too bad hes a low level ceo, the real one was witty before he retired and the BOD. witty dint even care that he died, because uhg was under investigation for INSIDER trading, and its likely thompson was the informant, ready to rat them out for immunity. you can google insider trading and ugh/uhc.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Isn't like the murder resolution rate in NYC around 50%? And that is in the areas that have more surveillance than anywhere else in America?

    Even in Canada the murder resolution rate can hover around 60% in good places. (Toronto once had a resolution rate of 80% in a good year but that was an exception). Ultimately it really is the nature of the victim as to how fast a murder gets resolved.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Jesus. That's insane to think about in modern times. With all the surveillance and data available, you'd think it'd be way higher, regardless of who the victim is. How depressing.

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    It's almost like all the surveillance was never really about solving those crimes.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    It is about monitoring political protests and activists. If someone spray painted the words 'die, Mike, die!' On a storefront (and the owner's name was Mike) the police won't bother looking at the footage. They won't bother looking at the footage even if said Mike was shot multiple times a few days later.

    But spray paint 'eat the rich' anywhere? Calling all cars... calling all cars!

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    It's 75% in NYC 50% is probably state average.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago*

    Nope. According to the 2024 Clearance report (4th quarter) from NYC the murder resolution rate was 50.57% in grand total. The 75% you are referring to is from Manhattan only. Brooklyn had a 41.67% clearance rate and the Bronx was at 51.72%. Queens was absolute shit at only 33.33% of murders cleared. With Staten Island at 66.67%.

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    Edit: I need to mention that cleared doesn't mean 'convicted absolutely and we found the killer 100%' it just means that they arrested and charged someone with the crime. If the charges are later dropped for some reason, or the person(s) go to trial and are acquitted, it doesn't count against the statistic.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Manhunts are not uncommon for murder or attempted murder of hikers or pedestrians. If anything Luigi's being so much more high profile is due to people like you worshipping the act and trying to martyr the perpetrator.

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  • [–] 88 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    Thompson’s brutal slaying on the streets of New York city

    Gtfo

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  • [–] 44 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah, it was as brutal as any other shooting. Do cops shooting kids ever get described as "brutal"?

    It's not like he was beaten to death with a tire iron, or denied treatment and left to a slow and agonizing death that also leaves your family in ruins.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Meanwhile our president bragged on the campaign trail that he could stand in the middle of a NYC street and shoot someone and not lose any voters. We have federal agents brutally slaying innocent people on streets across the country while being treated like heroes.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago*

    "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody"

    Didn't Thompson get shot like a block away from 5th Ave?

    Why are they bothering this Luigi guy?! There's the asshole they need to be investigating!

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  • [–] 118 points 11 months ago

    Cops were so thirsty for a conviction they completely broke the chain of custody on their "evidence". The whole thing should be thrown out

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  • [–] 96 points 11 months ago (14 children)

    My man is innocent. Was not even there.

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  • [–] 61 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Doesn't look remotely like the guy in that original mugshot they were flashing around.

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  • [–] 33 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Right? This has bothered me from the beginning. He's not the guy in the footage who shoots Thompson, and it's obvious. But they need someone to take the fall as an example, to protect the rich.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    If that was the case, wouldn't his lawyers have a better argument than "the cops gathered evidence wrong"?

    There is wishful thinking, and our own biases about this case, but I feel like if the current story were true, we wouldn't be splitting hairs about Miranda rights. And to be very clear, from what I understand,supreme court precedent, specifically New York v. Quarles, it has been already established that you don't actually have to be read your Miranda rights if there is a public safety exception. I imagine that will be main counter argument.

    Please correct me if I'm wrong, but this sounds like a weak argument from the people who have all the official details of the interaction and narrative they are pushing.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    You seem more knowledgeable than I am on this subject, so I would imagine you are correct. It's just that the guy in the footage who shoots Thompson is clearly someone else. And I'm not the only one who thinks they look like entirely different people. I've been confused by how this case has unfolded so far, which could explain how I'm making speculations about why they might've planted that evidence. This whole case stinks.

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  • [–] 47 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    Luigi was with me the whole time.

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  • [–] 44 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    You're a liar.

    He was balls deep in my wife at the time this supposed murder took place.

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  • [–] 47 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    In the women’s restroom, Mangione’s supporters chatted among themselves about this proceeding.

    Truely top-tier journalism

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  • [–] 28 points 11 months ago

    That looks bad......if you take it completely out of context

    The author just added some levity while writing about his widespread support

    [...] One, who sported a satiny sash emblazoned with Luigi in green, appeared to commiserate with another supporter about not being permitted to wear the prom-queen evoking accessory.

    Other accoutrements were more straightforward. One supporter wore a shirt stating: “11 minutes of missing body camera footage.”

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  • [–] 55 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    How are the court hearings going for the cops that murder family members?

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  • [–] 24 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Y'all need to look at the McDonald's manager's 911 call. She says that several customers are coming up to her and telling her it's the guy from the shooting and then she goes on to describe him as wearing a medical mask and sunglasses, etc.

    So some guy who is mostly covered up looks like a guy who is mostly covered up? Yeah right. And you're telling me a ton of customers recognized him? Wtf

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    It was a bullshit call, they used NSA surveillance methods to track him. I'm not normally an unhinged conspiracy theorist but this time around I'm absolutely convinced they used everything in their toolbox to track him down since he was a threat to the status quo, instead of the usual school children which the rich are more than happy to sacrifice.

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  • [–] 30 points 11 months ago

    He’s so hot, OMG

    The only crime here is that he is not my husband

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago*

    Free Luigi! Remember Remember the 4th of December. Jail the insurance CEO’s and Shareholders for mass murder!

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (12 children)

    Can someone help me understand? It honestly sounds like he really did it but very well could get off on a technicality which to me is fine. I've had so many loved ones kicked off health care during terminal diseases and I despise for-profit model of the industry.

    But it really seems like he did it, yet I see so many people questioning that. I'm just curious why that is.

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  • [–] 41 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Basically it's people saying:

    Prove it

    Because the government cant/won't say how they are so sure it's him

    Couple that with how the wealthy never face consequences in our justice system due to their ability to pay money to lawyers.

    And the fact that people want this to be decided by the letter of the law isn't extreme by any means, it's literally the point of law. And why people are (rightfully) outraged that they're trying to include terrorism charges.

    It's just the cops fucked up so much, they're not going to be able to legally prove anything.

    It's OJ all over again

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago

    sounds like he really did it but very well could get off on a technicality

    This is a suppression motion for unlawful search and seizure. To call this man's 4th amendment rights a "technicality" is some Law and Order copaganda bullshit.

    These suppression motions are already very difficult to win. Mr. Mangione will have to show not only that his rights were violated, but also that the cops would not have found the evidence through a different, legal means. So if he does win, it will not be "on a technicality." It's just the system ensuring that everyone's constitutional rights are respected.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago

    In addition to some alleged incongruity of the evidence, I think a lot of people actually think he did it but they want him to get away with it/don't think what he did was wrong, and throwing mud in the water is a way to show support for him, albeit a somewhat disingenuous one.

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  • [–] 29 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    People are questioning it because the initial CCTV pictures of the murderer do not match Mangione's features. They look similar enough for it to be pulled in as evidence - and further supported by the items confiscated from him during his arrest, but then again people are questioning the legitimacy of those things too - but the differences are visible enough for even a mid tier lawyer to argue that the CCTV recording is not of their client.

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago

    He is just a fall guy because they were determined to punish someone for the crime of daring to fight back against the ruling class. Just the claim that he was found with the murder weapon and a manifesto proving motive is enough to conclude that.

    Even the most insane of murderers don't carry around everything needed for conviction while out for lunch days later.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago* (3 children)

    Part of it is that people are idiots and think if they keep saying "He didn't do it, wink wink" it will mean anything (other than internet points (on a site that doesn't track them...)).

    Personally? I... don't know if the world is a better place with Luigi Mangione out on the streets (seriously... actually read up on him) but I also have zero qualms with someone not being punished for offing a monster.

    But that isn't what is going to happen here. Some of the evidence will likely get thrown out. But there is also a LOT more evidence that we, the public, don't know about. For example, you can very much bet that a MUCH more rigorous timeline, supported by Flock(TM) camera footage, of him in NYC has been documented. That combined with the actual footage of him (allegedly) doing it and the witnesses like the taxi driver (?) and hotel clerk?

    He will probably escape some of the charges. He will not be walking free. And... he'll probably get suicide'd in his cell within a year of being made an example of why you don't kill the oligarchs.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I… don’t know if the world is a better place with Luigi Mangione out on the streets (seriously… actually read up on him)

    Can you elaborate? I did read some when all this started and didn't come across anything too bad.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    A LOT of his social media included very weird views on human sexuality (e.g. sex toy bans) and outright praise for the unabomber. I've also seen a lot of claims that he espoused "anti-woke" ideologies but most of the sources I am finding are sketchy as hell. Although the LA Times article at least links to what I think is his twitter (that I personally can't verify as I don't have twitter)

    https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2024-12-14/luigi-mangione-politics-united-healthcare-shooting

    A LOT of people want to view him as some champion of leftism. And... it is well worth remembering that a leftist political ideology does not mean much regarding views on social justice (as many people of color and trans folk can attest...). But the reality is that he probably is a lot closer to the "groyper" who shot kirk than anything else. Just another kid who got radicalized in deeply confusing and contradictory ways. And while I am not going to lose too much sleep over the outcome of HIS actions... I am increasingly terrified of how many batshit insane radicals with guns are out there whose ideology can be summed up as "4chan".

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago*

    He 100% did it, they even found the files to print his gun mod on his computer. He had no Allibi and travelled three states via bus with nothing but a bag full of $20,000.

    He did it. He did that.

    Buncha murder cultists and people who want to spread distrust in the law and push for some fantasy-like revolution are in here to stroke his fictional dick.

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    [–] 12 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    Self defense. Actually self defense plus defending his fellows. I see no crime in this. Luigi is innocent!

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    All of us, from Brian Thompson

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (3 children)

    So the death of Brian Thompson saved specifically you? Sure as fuck didn't change anything for me or people subscribed to UHC.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    Didn't uhc have a bunch of claims approved right after he got killed?

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    No. I have heard this claim a lot and never seen any evidence of it.

    UHC coverage is worse now than it ever was, they pioneered using AI to deny claims.

    They did reverse a decision on anesthesia coverage which was in the news before that, legislators in the affected area had been hounding them nonstop, but unless they arranged a meeting, flew to the meeting, and signed the completed drafts within 24 hours of Thompson's death: that was just coincidental.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Man's innocent! The prosecutions got nothing on him, this is hardly the first time they've got it wrong and ruined someone's life: LA Olympic bombing, Unabomber, anthrax postal attacks, to name a few...
    Luigi is just another in a long list of scapegoats.

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