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[–] 158 points 11 months ago* (10 children)

Before children and during the pandemic I did, but with one simple change, home office instead of 3 hours commuting in heavy traffic.

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  • [–] 83 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    Same.

    I have no kids. My employer just told us we had to be in the office 5 days a week now and I don't have time to do anything anymore. I lost a big chunk of my spare time and freedom and I just feel like burning the office down now.

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  • [+] 45 points 11 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] 67 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Yeah that's what I've been trying to do. But nobody's hiring right now. Or they don't want to pay a decent salary.

    Besides, they're already forcing us to wear a suit and tie. To be in a cubicle office as IT consultants. To communicate with each other via MS Teams...

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  • [–] 44 points 11 months ago

    It's only really feasible if your fitness activities are also your hobbies and you have friends who share said hobbies. For example, rock climbing, running.

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  • [–] 32 points 11 months ago

    I still think the 40-hour work week is inherently tied to the idea of the american nuclear family. The answer is that there simply isn't the time to do any of these things unless one person is doing the 40-hours a week office job and the other is doing the 40-hours a week "taking care of shit with the house/kids" job.

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  • [–] 27 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    168 hours in a week

    Minus 56 for sleep is 112

    Minus 40 hour work week is 72

    Minus half hour commute 5 days a week is 67

    67

    Minus 65 hours doomscrolling in bed is 2

    How tf am I supposed to have hobbies and health with only 2 hours of free time every week?

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    So, no laundry, eating, bathing, shitting, anything like that? What's your secret?

    (In fairness shitting can be combined with either the 40hrs/work if you're smart, or with the 56hr/sleep if you're not, but then the no bathing or laundry becomes a bigger issue..)

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  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago

    Come on ! People act like laudry hasn't evolved since the 19th century. It takes 1h a week max. Bathing : 2h a week Eating/cooking at home : 15h a week Cleaning the house : 2h a week You are still left with 47h a week left for gym, side projects and socializing. If you don't have kids, life is really not that hard !

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago*

    You actually don't have those 2 hours left. It's a half hour commute 1 way. Meaning an hour a day for 5 days not 30 mins for 5 days. Looks like you may need to cutt out 30 mins of doomscrolling.

    Nm. You did the math right, I just read it wrong without checking your working.

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  • [–] 23 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    People that do these things generally have a ton of energy, are incredibly disciplined, do things quickly, and to a pretty large amount, box-checkers and/or future-borrowers.

    If you're a 45-60 minute showerer, you're going to have trade-offs

    If you have threesomes during the week, you're going to have trade-offs

    If you are the type of person who needs to actually feel peaceful the majority of the time, trade-offs

    The ADHD person needs more hours in the day. For everyone else, there's half-assing it.

    Priorities are everything. There isn't enough time to get everything in life. A lot of us have fallen con to the box-checker's quantity and compare ourselves to that. It may take some self work, but figuring out what actually makes you happy and what makes that sustainable is a pretty big, but worthwhile challenge. I'm in my 30s and still working on it, for what it's worth. Different people figure this stuff out at different rates, and my hypothesis is that your availability of resources and birth privileges are big factors in the time it takes to figure that out.

    In other words, stop worrying about what makes other people happy, and focus on what makes you happy. There may be overlap, but there also may not be. We're all different and that's okay.

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  • [–] 79 points 11 months ago (19 children)

    If you bike to work, you feed two birds with one scone.

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago (16 children)

    It snowed 10 inches here today. Not really an option everywhere

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Gotta put those snow tires on.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    lol have you tried biking in half a foot of snow, even with a fat bike? that shit is hard as hell and slow as fuck

    I bike in the winter to get groceries and stuff, but it's on mostly plowed surfaces

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago*

    I'm planning on doing some winter cycling today since the plows are catching up now!

    But I get it, winter cycling requires more gear and more pre-planning that winter driving, you need to invest in better gear that isn't just whatever hat and gloves are the cheapest at the store, and it makes paved roads more like biking on gravel/sand so you have to put more work in, plus you show up at your destination just as sweaty as summer biking except now you have a bunch of snow gear to wash because it's all sweaty and gross too and is that melted snow or sweat or snot from my runny nose that I feel on this wet scarf I just covered my face in?!

    Edit to add: OH AND THE WIND! Those fall/winter winds are hell on accoustic bicycles. I've needed to pedal down a steep hill with a trailer filled with 100lbs of kids and kids school stuff behind me because the wind was so strong that gravity alone wouldn't propel me down the hill!

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    if you're in a city, then it's still possible, your local government just says 'fuck you' to non-drivers

    but yeah not much you can do if you're rural in that situation

    of course, half of drivers can't drive in more than 2 in of snow anyways

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  • [–] -2 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    angry sentiment. the people having nothing better to do than shouting "biking! is the best thing in the world. everybody should do it" for one misses that not everybody wants to do it (and being pressured to do sth causes an understandable and hefty backlash) and that more important, it's ableist because it assumes everybody is physically healthy enough to even bike in any weather.

    for example, my throat reliably hurts every time i bike in temperatures of below 5°C. that's not because i'm really disabled, but because cold, icy wind + sensitive throat = sore throat. that sucks.

    and that's besides the point that my coworkers wouldn't really appreciate to smell my sweat for 6 hours (we have no shower in office). and i also don't want to be in sweat-sticky clothes all day long.

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Also, as a society, we spend far too much time working to live and it’s bullshit.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    It's so messed up how normalised that got.

    "So wait we work for half our waking day?"

    "Yes, but you also get two whole days off per week"

    "Woah that sounds almost too good to be true."

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    We had to fight tooth and nail for even that.

    But fr I think the biggest error was that we didn't demand working hours be cut in half during women's liberation. The idea that one person can spend half their time working for pay to provide for themselves and a kid or two, so two people can provide for a full family together and have time to split the domestic labor is key.

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  • [–] 37 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Most of the people I know who do this consistently / longer-term are young adults and/or on drugs. Not like street drugs, but some combo of legally prescribed stimulant/anti-depressant/performance enhancing/hormone/weight-loss stuff. Modern medicine has the answers (for some).

    A common scenario I'm seeing is that folks in their 30s, 40s, and 50s are being diagnosed with things like ADHD for the first time, and suddenly once they're on the proper stimulants, they can full throttle, always be doing something. I'm also seeing this a lot with folks who go on GLP-1 drugs. They lose a bunch of weight in a short amount of time and suddenly feel a lot better, mentally and physically. The other thing I see going on is people getting on hormone replacement or starting performance enhancing drugs a bit later in life, seems to be a real motivating factor for them since they're suddenly feeling 20 years younger.

    So, maybe the answer is be young and if you can't be young, do drugs?

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I'm pretty close to getting all these done most days but the only reason it's possible for me is because I work from home and make enough money to be slowly getting ahead.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I'm in a similar boat. Its definitely a luxury that comes from making decent money at a job that respects your personal time.

    But also it does require some amount of focus on improving your own lifestyle because many people spend so much time scrambling to get their finances in order when the world is setup to separate one from their money that by the time you have your finances in order you can be too exhausted to try to do anything with yourself

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    That's a good point and I can't take credit for having my finances in order. My partner is amazing and much better at budgeting than I am. I think that is another big factor for me. Having a supportive partner to encourage and grow with makes a night and day difference. I'm lucky and grateful but also work hard to have a better life.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Not while also being a parent. Most of my hobbies and leisure / friend time has taken a giant shit since I became a dad.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago

    I found a good friend group of families with similarly aged children within walking distance of my home. We meet up maybe once a week at one of the local restaurants with patio space and let the kids play while we catch up. That space of 2-3 hours does triple duty: catching up with friends, getting the kids out of the house to do high energy activities with friends, and feeding everyone for dinner on a weeknight.

    Having that kind of social group is key. My parents had church, but I'm not religious, so it was important to at least find a way to replicate that social sense of community somehow when I had kids.

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  • [–] 30 points 11 months ago

    For a serious answer, it requires a level of strict discipline and adherence to schedule that makes any reward you get from it feel hollow

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  • [–] 47 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    Simple solution.

    You have to make work side project too and gym what you for for fun / hobby.

    Too bad if the only thing you hate more than exercise is the job.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I think you need to reassess your understanding of the definition of the word "simple".

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    It's simple, but it might not be easy

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Except that it's not? Why would you force yourself to make working out your hobby? That's very limiting. Your side project can't always be your job either. In some cases doing that might even take all the fun out of it.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    When I was younger, I worked a physical job and went rock climbing frequently. I did bike to work too¹, and I was in pretty darn good shape. I made most of my hobbies athletic for like a decade, and kept that shape.

    Plenty of time left for sufficient sleep. Not that I got sufficient sleep, but that was just hubris, I could've if I wanted to.

    General LPT: Do athletic hobbies.

    ¹ Because I was a badass. My commute was a painted-line bike lane on the side of a 3-lane highway. I get the frustration with constantly being told to "just bike" when it simply isn't practical for the average person, at least around me.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    Yes, but as you age you don't need as much socializing and you have established good friendships so you can jump right in.

    But I do track everything for fun (like a diary). Last Sunday to Saturday i reached:At 7hrs 4min of excercise last week, 45.3 hrs sleep,, 1260 grams of protein, 7 pieces of nicotine gum, 28oz of whiskey (4oz/day), etc...

    Highlights: Had a pr at the gym, squatted 410lbs. Baddthings: Had gym fail at ju jitsu, spit my mouth guard onto my bros face. Sorry C! Also argued w my sister over text

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    as you age you don’t need as much socializing and you have established good friendships

    That's quite an assumption to make. Why would you need less socializing as you age? Relocating to another city might mean having to start over with your social group.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Well to bring up developmental theory...Young men in early adulthood often need far more social contact because that stage of life is about exploration, building identity, and expanding networks.

    By midlife, most men have shifted into a stage of consolidation where priorities narrow, relationships deepen, and the need for frequent socializing drops.

    Sure I could put in citations, but its Sunday and I'm relaxing....So here's a quote from Aristotle instead:

    The aim of the wise is not to secure more friends, but to find enough good ones.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    and you have established good friendships so you can jump right in.

    Think again! An opioid epidemic has hit your town, all your friends OD'd or moved to attempt getting clean, or the one who moved for school. The one that's left is moving 5hr away for a girl he met 6mo ago. You're also a male in an age bracket known for having a hard time making meaningful connections, superficial ones come and go like the tides.

    What do I win, and can I return it for store credit?

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago

    Not with two kids I ain't doing all those, no.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago

    the trick, i'd imagine, is to be rich enough that you don't have to deal with doing your own chores or errands (let the servants get groceries and cook and clean and drive you places).

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  • I think it's all about priorities and as another guy said here at least a rough schedule/routine.

    My hobby is being active (drumming multiple hours per day), then you can save the gym (I do some climbing now and then though). Commuting with bicycle to work also helps, work less (I do 25h/week which is max for me, I rather spend less money and live in a community than having to work more to finance myself, life does have too much interesting to offer than to spend all your time with working).

    I also like to eat stuff like Huel (the savory stuff) which saves me time of cooking/buying groceries (and I have a rather high protein intake which is good for drumming, as fast/strong muscles/tendons are quite important (and it noticebly helps with growing muscles, I didn't want to believe until then how important high-protein intake is when being active)).

    I basically don't play any video games (ironically I'm quickly bored), do some open source programming instead (so side-projects?), try to avoid "wasting" time on e.g. social media.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    You don’t have kids obviously.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    Yes but my commute is 10-15 minutes by bicycle, and my kids are all adults now.

    I prioritize making time for sleep, exercise and sex in my day, and let everything else work around those. So some of my exercise comes from commuting but I do also do yoga about 4 hours a week and try to lift weights at least once.

    When my kids were young, NO it is impossible to do alone. Even if you do have carpool help and aftercare and all, it's hard. There were years I had to get up at 5 and run to get exercise and other years it was the gym at 22:00 after a night class. But I have always found that it works better if you make your priorities (exercise needs to be one of those) and make a commitment to do those.

    I usually have had jobs that were more than the 40 hours, and am NOT a work hard play hard person at all. But if you have one of those 8 hour a day jobs and sleep for 7.5 hours and take half an hour on each end of that to get ready and (critically important) don't have some hours long commute, there's plenty of time in the day. I remember when I first got a job that ended at 1700 and having time to cook, feed everyone and go to yoga, or hustle to the 1730 Jazzercise class after work and then still have time to make supper after, instead of feeling so terribly rushed all the time.

    Now my day is: wake up around 7, leave for work around 9 after a nice leisurely morning. Work 9:30 to 6:30 (18:30) ride home and get ready for yoga, go exercise and come home and make supper by 9 (21:00), eat and have a Pokemon go walk or read or listen to music, (I cook, my husband takes care of the dishes after) then get ready for bed and try to sleep 23-7, sometimes this is midnight to 7 but I do need a solid 7 hours, too much sleep is migraine trigger unfortunately but I sleep well and soundly for that 7 and wake up pretty naturally. It feels like a balanced life.

    ETA: I forgot to add, we do the grocery shopping Friday evenings, at a complex that has restaurants and bars and a Ben & Jerry's, go out for one drink or a restaurant meal then get groceries then go home, so we can treat it like a night out not just an errand. And most weekends are free of work, though we do each have busy seasons with 7 day weeks for a few weeks - during his busy season I do more of the cleaning and we get more takeout meals, during mine we get more takeout or he or the kids will cook. And we outsource the cleaning and have some essentials on auto-ship. I know that work and exercise aren't the only things you have to do in a week! But we don't do them on weekdays usually.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    You don't have to do everything every day

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Yes exactly. Hobbies can be enjoyed once a week or two weeks or even once a month! Or they can be practiced more frequently but for less time. 20 minutes a day practicing a musical instrument can do a lot for your learning in so little time. The hard part is sticking to it!

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    15 minute a day fitness program. Designed to be done with no equipment except a stopwatch.

    https://leisureguy.ca/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/rcaf_xbx_5bx_exercise_plans_text.pdf

    Actual exercises are in the back of the book.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago*

    Kinda, but only because I have 0 commute (job that allows to wfh as much as I want), I don't care about fitness all that much at the moment (I go to the gym maybe twice a week for 1.5h each, followed by like an hour in the sauna every time) and because my side project is also my hobby. I also don't like socializing with anyone but my partner, so it's all quite efficient.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Yes. But no kids and the gym is next to the office.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    I so wish my work had a gym. It would be a good use for my lunch breaks.

    As it is, I "cozy cardio" at my desk and get a few hours in each day. Not a substitute for proper exercise, but it does seem to make me less antsy and better able to focus.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    For most of the last 5 years I've been cycling 2 or 3 hours a day and spending about 45 minutes a day at the gym and I still have plenty of time for fun and socializing and whatnot while also getting 8 hours a day of sleep. This is possible for two reasons: 1) I semi-retired from my job as a programmer and I'm now a school bus driver, which takes about 4.5 hours a day (it helps that I live a half-mile from the bus lot, otherwise the job involves twice as much commuting as a normal job); and 2) I don't watch movies or television. For my money, #2 is the biggie -- spending hours a day watching movies and TV shows is such a massive time sink. I'm not judging people who do it since I just stopped enjoying it years ago, not because I'm consciously avoiding something I like in order to free up time.

    Unfortunately, two months ago my parents' health took a nosedive and my father died and now I'm a nearly full-time caregiver for my mother. I haven't ridden my bike or been to the gym during this entire stretch. So if it makes anyone feel better, I'm no longer in the category of insanely fit older dude myself. But it is possible, at least.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (2 children)

    I'm gonna guess that working only half a full time job while (I'm gonna assume) having some money from a programming job saved up played more of a part than you may think, but I'm sure not watching movies also helps.

    Meanwhile people working 8+ hours in a physically demanding job just to be able to afford rent and maybe enough food for the week who then still have to take care of general life stuff are a lot less likely to have the money, time, or energy to do much else.

    Out of curiosity, did you

    cycling 2 or 3 hours a day and spending about 45 minutes a day at the gym and I still have plenty of time for fun and socializing and whatnot while also getting 8 hours a day of sleep

    While you had a job as listed in the pic (8hrs/day)? I'm betting time was a major factor in why you only started 5y ago.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    My "real" job had a schedule from about 4 AM to 11 AM because I was managing a team of coders in India and this allowed me to overlap with them somewhat. I would then ride 25-50 miles in the afternoon and hit the gym in the evening before going to bed around 10 PM. I had less time for sleep and fucking around but otherwise it was similar. Towards the end of that job my company was bought by a west coast tech giant and then I had nothing at all to do for six months, so exercising was obviously even easier.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    You're not suppose to go to the gym every single day in most cases. The "average" resistance trainer might spend 3 hours total per week in the gym. (I.E. 3 days a week. 1 hour each session) Maybe more maybe less. Maybe a lot less. I only go once a week when I'm cutting. But that's just me. Granted his isn't including de-load weeks or full rest days. Which you absolutely need unless you're Achilles himself, and look what that got him.

    If you're going to the gym "every day" for basic cardio. I would highly suggest investing in a home treadmill or similar instead. There are also a ton of stationary cardio exercises you can also look into or research online. Otherwise, most people can usually find some smaller, no bells and whistles, used treadmills/elipticals for fairly cheap if you look around and/or get lucky. Hell, I see people giving away cheap stationary bikes for free all the time. Depends on what you're looking for and what your goals are.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    The closest I came to cracking this was buying a used treadmill, a steam deck, and some third party joycons that were a little more ergonomic. Play games while walking. Lost 20lbs playing BG3 and another 10 beating Hades. Then life happened and that routine fell apart. But it worked pretty well. Just need to get back into it. Obviously not feasible for many due to the initial expensive or space requirements.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    No, all this at once is not possible with any worthwhile kind of focus

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    Personally, I manage to do so only because I genuinely can't afford the life and fun.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    I do seasonal jobs when I'm not working on my artwork, but yes.

    The trick to it is to make everything you do a routine. Get up at the same time, eat a fatty/oily breakfast, shower, work, eat, work out, shower, make your personal time count, go to sleep at the same time every single day. You should plan an hour to get up and ready for work, you should plan an hour to get home and an hour to get to sleep, so assuming 8 hours work and sleep that leaves 5 hours for workout, dinner, and hobbies.

    Only downside is that external forces' disruption of the schedule can cause feelings of rage.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago

    I'm not big on side projects, but I've made fitness into my fun, so those blocks get partially combined.

    I actually think that's kind of key when it comes to fitness - you need to find an activity you actually find enjoyable, otherwise you're always going to be struggling to keep it up. I used to force myself to go running many years ago even though I hated it, and that predictably didn't go very well. Then I re-discovered biking, which takes very little mental effort for me to want to actively go out and do, since I like doing it so much. I've since started to find running actually fun, but it was a bit pointless there for a while

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    With a kid and full time job (home office though), I would need to reduce sleep to get any time for side projects, gym or hobbies. I am not sure it would be wise.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    My wife, i don’t know where she gets the energy. Up by 6, does her work, hits the gym, goes out with her friends, i don’t get it

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