Halfway through he describes this as malicious compliance with the "right to repair" law. Apple and others are making a mockery of the law.

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[–] 48 points 11 months ago (23 children)
  • [–] 37 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    TL;DW; he bypasses the whole 2500 dollar software thing by using common sense that the caliper only has two wires in it so you just need to feed a positive and negative power line to it from a low voltage power source and it will extend or retract the electric caliper as needed.

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  • [–] 27 points 11 months ago

    While I agree with you that there’s an easy fix, it wouldn’t cost them anything to make holding the handbrake release switch enter maintenance mode.

    Also, wait until they release a face lift with new some arbitrary signal to control it.

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  • [+] -7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (20 children)

    Yeah, i watched the video and the dude just yap and yap and yap non-stop, and the actual content is only at the front of it.

    That trick works with all EPB, you can also take off the motor and turn the mechanism yourself, that's how all backyard mechanic does it for every car with EPB without buying the tools meant for workshop. There's nothing special to it. Dude could've save a lot by send it to dealership instead.

    Edit: also all car with EPB works that way, this is not uniquely hyundai, you need a scan tool to retract that piston, or you do it the way backyard mechanic do. There's like so much unnecessary drama here.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    also all car with EPB works that way, this is not uniquely hyundai

    partial bullshit… it's definitely a trend but 2 years ago I did the breaks on my buddy's Ford Explorer 2021 (not 100% on the year). It had EPB but also a dash sequence to enable maintenance mode

    Hyundai is not the only brand for sure but the paywall is just unnecessary bullshit

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  • [–] -2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Well maybe not all, but how many out of that 1 model have that maintenance mode? I work on many, none of them have it. Honda, toyota, subaru, vw, even chinese brand like geely, all required a scan tool. The good news? A generic scan tool is enough to set it, doesn't have to be an expensive proprietary tool made just for that specific model that come with those bs. The bad news? Car maker only release it to aftermarket scanner after a few years or so, like the hyundai ionic 5 here.

    And even then, like i said, you can just unbolt the motor and turn the piston. 20 years in this industry, this is the first time there's this much drama on basic shit like this.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    agreed 100%

    ps: I re-read my original post and realized I came across as if I was fighting you… I just really wanted to point out this issue is a matter of greed and not a consequence of EPS tech

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    The drama is that this is an entirely unnecessary step that adds extra work for the technician/owner that wants to change rear brake pads/rotors, which are a wear item.

    I’ve been doing brakes on mine and my family’s cars for over a decade. It’s dramatically cheaper to buy pads and rotors and swap them myself, and if I do it myself I know that it was done right and there’s antiseize everywhere it should be. So now in addition to all the work of jacking the car up, removing tires, removing the calipers, depressing the caliper, cleaning the hub, coating the hub with antiseize, cleaning the guide pins, reinstalling and torquing everything to spec, I now have to get a battery/transformer/charger and wire into a sensor to tell the stupid fucking computer that the pads and rotors are new. Why can’t the computer use a position sensor to just detect that there’s now thicker material there? Why isn’t there just an option in the maintenance settings that you can press to say that you’ve done the work and to reset the maintenance interval? Fuck this shit, doing brakes is already a time sink if you live in the rust belt, and this system adds nothing but an extra cost or extra work to the person performing the work. There’s no safety gain from it existing, it’s fucking stupid.

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  • [+] -7 points 11 months ago

    For us technician? It's a very quick work. For you guys? It's an additional 30min per side, give or take, and for a job that you'll be only doing once per few years if you don't drift. Rear brake wear significantly slower than the front, and this is a rear brake issue. That's the drama. You guys are crying about additional work for something that you do once a few years.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    you can also take off the motor and turn the mechanism yourself, that's how all backyard mechanic does it for every car with EPB

    I'm a mechanic and no, you cannot do that

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  • [–] -4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

    What's the odd, i'm a mechanic too, and yes you can, you just don't know about it.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] -2 points 11 months ago* (3 children)

    Anyone that doesn't agree with you and the guy's boot you're licking is a bootlicker. Nice, it's always projection. This place isn't much different than reddit after all, full of idiots that know nothing but want to proof everything. Easily manipulated by the slimeball too it seems.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

    It's EPB, do you even know what is EPB? Projection much? The thing work exactly like this with home mechanic able to repair it no issue for years, now one idiot with no common sense decided to buy a super expensive tools that isn't meant for them and still failed at the task at hand, then a manipulative youtuber decided this is a problem, and then suddenly this become a huge problem as if the world is ending.

    Edit: look, i know emotion is running high now because everyone favorite guy is wrong, but do yourself a favour and find out what EPB are, why it's actually better and safer, and how long before you need to change your rear brake, not front brake, rear brake.

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  • [+] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)
  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago

    Well we all hope stuff can be as simple as abc but unfortunately this ain't the world we live in, champ. Your take just sounds like you don't like the stuff and anyone who disagree with you is stupid.

    If you didn't have anything smart to say, i'll take my leave then.

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  • [–] 31 points 11 months ago

    Welcome to the future, you will own nothing and be happy about it.

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  • [–] 81 points 11 months ago (13 children)

    I guess that's one way to make people give up cars in favor of public transportation.

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  • [–] 67 points 11 months ago (11 children)

    You must not be american. It is literally not an option here.

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  • [–] 51 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Please accept my most sincere condolences.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Ive always wondered how do y'all get stuff back and forth from stores? Like heavy things or items that are needed in bulk.

    Here the only way to get stuff yourself is with the car or ordering online, it isn't normal to ship basic items also with things like doordash that is becoming mor normal if buying wood to make home repairs there is no shipping it to houses or walking with it.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    First, things are a lot more compact here. It takes me five to seven minutes to reach the nearest local supermarket on foot. That makes it a lot easier to shop at higher frequency but lower load - good exercise too. Of course, that won't work for larger or special items. For larger loads, locally in Denmark, we've got these wonderful things. Obviously, nobody's going to transport a new fridge or a 1-tonne pallet of wood briquettes on one of those. For that sort of thing, almost all retailers of such things do delivery. It's more efficient. Instead of everybody having to own their own trucks that are used (relatively) infrequently, stores or manufacturers either independently maintain vehicles that are in constant use or out-source that service to companies specializing in handling logistics. It uses less resources for one company to handle maintenance of say, five vehicles servicing the needs of a hundred customers than for all those 100 customers to all have to own their own vehicles with the same capacity.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    Hmm that's interesting, its like, we have all those things too but they just aren't for consumers, like the vehicle delivery stuff here is a thing but its not widely used and is typically for special occasions.

    Some places are compact enough to be walkable for most things, usually in big cities but sometimes in suburbs we will have a shopping center of some sort that has all the basic needs really close but very rare for it to be in a suburb and reasonably walkable but still technically walkable. Kinds funny because I'm thinking about how perspective change a lot here, I know Columbia isn't in the us but I've seen some people migrate to Columbia and basically you just walk miles to get toyour things and occasionally order online but more often people have a address somewhere else and you just pick up your things yearly in some way and cars and bikes exist over there but basically only for traveling for vacation or something of the sort far away.

    I've literally never seen something like that wheely car box before lol, that does seem pretty fun.

    Just today actually I got in our truck to bring home a washer since ours broke yesterday, its actually kinda hit or miss if someone has access to a truck or van I think here people just mostly don't do things themselves and they just have companies fix stuff for them so a lot of us lazy Americans don't even really need big cars and if they also worked from home they may not even need a car at all if biking and ubering can get a few things, for the longest time we would borrow my grandpas truck occasionally but now my brother and my dad have trucks.

    My brother has a super beefy truck meant for hauling things and we definitely HAUL lol we use his dump trailer so often for things now its hard to image not having it, just today I helped load it up with leaves and he dumped it at the dump, we used it to move furniture from my grandmas house across states because it would have cost stupid amounts of money to pay for this service, we use it to dump our own messes and other peoples messes too and if we didn't we would just not really have a clear avenue for getting rid of them because its big stuff that can't be put in trash and paying for a service to do it costs money which feels like it shouldn't but does, we can also load up the dump trailer with things to build our deck and we happen to live unusually close to a store that basically has all the things for anything basically so we just drive like 10 minutes and get all the things for projects and usually have to make multiple of these trips per project because nothing ever goes smoothly.

    I guess it really just depends a lot, countryside is basically more like columbia and city is more like, well, we know cities lol and then there is steps in between depending on a city being more or less happening.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Those bicycles (called 'ladcycler') are remarkably useful. People use them for all sorts of things, including transporting their kids to and from kindergarten etc. I've never tried it myself, but the kids always look like they're having a blast.

    The thing is, everything - including supermarkets - tends to be smaller here, but also dotted everywhere. I've got like three different places for daily grocery shopping within easy walking distance (ten minutes each way), and I'm sort of in the suburbs.

    When it comes to trash, public sanitation services are rather effective here. Trash is sorted into paper/cardboard, glass, plastic, organic waste and other. All of them are routinely picked up on different schedules. The first three are recycled, organic waste is either composted or fermented for biogas production with is then used to heat homes or fuel local public transportation (busses). The last category is burned at high temperatures, with the exhaust heavily filtered and the resulting energy used to provided house heating and / or hot water. There are three more infrequent trash collection cycles: Potentially dangerous materials (chemicals, paint, batteries, e-waste), gardening waste (again, composting or biogas - lots of people with gardens do their own composting too - the containers and worm cultures are provided by the municipality for free) and lastly 'large trash'. This is stuff like furniture, fridges, washing machines etc. That's picked up once every month on a specific date. A lot of people recycle or upcycle locally by napping stuff before it's hauled off (which is legal and encouraged).

    All in all, a lot of these things are taken care of by people specializing in it and funded by taxes. We pay more in taxes here, but we also get a lot more services in return.

    If people know they're going to be creating lots of waste of a given type - home improvement or construction - you can have a container delivered and picked back up for a fairly modest fee. Similarly, moving homes is generally handled by dedicated companies in standardized moving crates provided by them. It's not particularly expensive.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I guess it's great advice if you live in New York or Disney World. I have a forty minute walk to the nearest bus stop and depending on where I want to go in town and how many transfers it takes, it might take me 2 hours to get somewhere in my mid-side town.

    Meanwhile, I can reach anywhere in town in twenty minutes by car, and I can carry $800 of groceries in my trunk. And I don't freeze my ass off in the snow.

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  • [–] 25 points 11 months ago

    More up to date info here: https://hackaday.com/2025/11/15/hyundai-paywalls-brake-pad-changes/ You can do it with just a $300 bidirectional scan tool from Harbor Freight.

    And the OOP responding about it: https://www.reddit.com/r/Ioniq5N/comments/1ojjp6m/comment/nonp97y/

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  • [–] 48 points 11 months ago (25 children)

    They lock the parking brake behind a paywall on the scanner, so you have to pay a subscription fee. Chrysler has the parking brake service mode on the vehicle for users. VAG, BMW, Nissan, Toyota, GM etc all do it. It just make servicing more expensive for consumers, because the cost all gets passed down.

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  • [–] 36 points 11 months ago (14 children)

    Why is the parking brake involved with the computer at all....

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  • [–] 56 points 11 months ago* (7 children)

    It's an electronic parking brake. Those are common now because a small switch takes up less interior space than a lever for a cable-actuated parking brake, and the computer can disengage the parking brake if it detects that the driver is attempting to drive with it activated. The computer is involved in brake pad replacement to tell the parking brake motor to open to its widest position to accept new pads, and calibrate itself to their thickness.

    This requires a special adapter and software subscription rather than a button on the infotainment screen because Hyundai is engaging in rent-seeking and perhaps trying to direct business to its dealers.

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    So if your brakes go out and you try to use the parking brake for a slow stop it won't do anything anymore?

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago

    Correct, though the car in question here is electric and will almost certainly use the motors to slow the car to reuse that energy. The motors should be able to stop the car even if the hydraulic brakes fail, and probably more effectively than a mechanical parking brake.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    apparently some do and some don't. or they require a particular cheat code when pressing the button, idk.

    the point is, you can't trust your parking brake to be an emergency brake anymore, you press a button and hope something happens

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    Every vehicle I've had with an electric parking brake operated the same way. Hold the park button while moving and it starts clamping the parking brake down, let off the button and it starts to release. So you can basically PWM the parking brake in an emergency.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    If you lose your brakes you can still pull the switch and it'll apply the e-brake. If you are on the highway and don't want to slam it on, you can turn on your hazards and coast to a safe place to apply it.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Because OEMs have all decided that the mechanical one was insufficient...

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  • [+] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)
  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Part of it is space savings or just making the interior more appealing.

    Never seen the third pedal on an American car/truck?

    Why have this huge space dedicated to the parking brake (hand lever) and gear shift.

    It's not a "huge space" and the reason is because they're significantly less expensive, more reliable, and easier to adjust and repair.

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  • [+] 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I’ve only ever had the pedal on trucks.

    They put them in cars, too...

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    It is and it isn't. To use the onboard control to actuate the parking brake, yes, you have to use the paywalled software. But it's a simple motor. Positive and negative. If you disconnect the connector at the parking brake and use fused jumper leads to a 12v battery, you can cause the actuator to go forward or backwards. Make sure the parking brake isn't applied before doing anything, disconnect the cars battery, disconnect the p brake connector, jump the terminals once you figure out which polarity causes the retraction. Manually compress the caliper piston, replace the pads (and hopefully the rotors too). Pump the brake pedal as you would normally once everything is replaced, reconnect everything, and you're good to go. in my experience this doesn't work on ford but there's a service procedure that doesn't use a scanner to force the park brake into service mode. There's always a way around dumb stuff like this

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    Must be newer VAG vehicles then, mine definitely needed a scan tool to put on service mode. Though it's also pretty old. I had a newer Mercedes and that had a hidden service menu that allowed me to do the brakes.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Yep, obdeleven let's you go into the basic settings because most of the times they have the passwords in the app. On the newer cars, especially audi, the service reset (not the oil reset) is behind a paywall. Maybe depends.on the scanner, but the autel and topdon ones need an additional subscription, along with Nissan, Chrysler etc

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    Probably like Chrysler, they were in bed together at one point. Just like merc, Chrysler has the junctions for network, similar aux battery, and so on. Most Chrysler you can just stomp the gas pedal 3 times to reset the oil light in addition to the instrument cluster shortcut.

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    Yeah we definitely need open source vehicles/transportation initiatives for everything: trains, trams, hsr, cars, etc

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    But who will lobby for such initiatives?

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    Definitely a strong start with that group let's make a lot more happen!!

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  • [–] 27 points 11 months ago (10 children)

    it's a matter if time until they make Linux for cars.

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    They’re still stuck on Linux for mobile.

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  • [–] -5 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    you mean the technicality that android is Linux based?

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Yes, that one exactly. Good call out, but let’s be honest. There’s a big difference between Android and the Linux we know and love. It’s not about using the Linux kernel. There is no widespread, polished, supported mobile Linux distribution comparable to iOS or Android in reach (at least nothing functional for use as a phone). GNU/Linux distros on phones would be a warm welcome.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Biggest issue is whatever is going on with mobile devices compared to desktop. I don't know what you call it here, drivers? But each device is just so closed down, you can't "just run" another software on it. I imagine if desktops also each required custom images based on model, people would only be using unmodified pre-installed Windows.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago*

    Oh, see, unlike on x86 where you have the ACPI to detect hardware with minimal device quirks (still a lot of them), everything else doesn't have that. Well, except some Qualcomm chips, but their implementation sucks and basically only works reasonably with Windows and Windows Phone. So you need a device tree blob (DTB) to tell the kernel where everything is. But enabling all of the drivers in a single kernel build makes it not fit (the partition for that is traditionally quite tight), so you make different kernels per device.

    AND, on Android in particular, lots of features need device specific configuration for all of the small stuff like the proximity sensor and the cameras (a LOT more complex than webcams). This + the need for OEMs to insert their own spyware and the already existing tradition at the time to make device specific images made the decision stick around. There's GSI, which basically forces the OEM to write drivers and all of that with a stable-ish API to make universal images possible, but it results in a system with lots of tiny inexplicable problems that slowly make you loose your sanity in my experience.

    How postmarketOS handles it is that there are basically meta packages per device that depend on the kernel package appropriate to the device (sometimes for a whole platform or SoC, having multiple DTBs inside for each device) that flashes itself to the appropriate partition via a post installation hook, as well as all of the config files for apps that need device specific stuff and don't already have it upstream (like camera apps).

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  • [–] 25 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    Me and my 11 year old just changed the rear shocks on my car, 18mm socket and box wrench, 45 minutes of time. I'll never buy a vehicle with these types of paywalls.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    So they chose to go the John Deere way.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    They did but they are actually far worse. John Deere is into some DRM bullshit but Kia / Hyundai dealerships have the worst record for recommending things you don't actually need and then over charging you.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Fucking Kia Bastards. Took my 23 Forte GT to the dealership because driver side was blowing hot air when ac was on. Thought the blend door broke it barely had 29k miles at the time. Second thought the freon had a leak. Got the warranty. They told me it would only apply if they "found" a leak. After 5 hours. They didnt find a leak had to pay $500 for diagnostics. The mechanic said it was extremely low on freon. Which would resonate with a LEAK. But since they didnt "find" it the warranty didnt apply. Never went back and have been fixing my car myself. Fuck Kia dealerships and mechanics. All they did was recharge the system told me to come back after 500 miles because they added a dye. Told the rep, "Fuck you guys, I'm never coming back."

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