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Hyundai car requires $2000, app & internet access to fix your brakes - what the actual f (www.youtube.com)
submitted 11 months ago by to c/technology@lemmy.world
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Halfway through he describes this as malicious compliance with the "right to repair" law. Apple and others are making a mockery of the law.

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[–] 48 points 11 months ago (25 children)

They lock the parking brake behind a paywall on the scanner, so you have to pay a subscription fee. Chrysler has the parking brake service mode on the vehicle for users. VAG, BMW, Nissan, Toyota, GM etc all do it. It just make servicing more expensive for consumers, because the cost all gets passed down.

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  • [–] 36 points 11 months ago (14 children)

    Why is the parking brake involved with the computer at all....

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  • [–] 56 points 11 months ago* (7 children)

    It's an electronic parking brake. Those are common now because a small switch takes up less interior space than a lever for a cable-actuated parking brake, and the computer can disengage the parking brake if it detects that the driver is attempting to drive with it activated. The computer is involved in brake pad replacement to tell the parking brake motor to open to its widest position to accept new pads, and calibrate itself to their thickness.

    This requires a special adapter and software subscription rather than a button on the infotainment screen because Hyundai is engaging in rent-seeking and perhaps trying to direct business to its dealers.

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    So if your brakes go out and you try to use the parking brake for a slow stop it won't do anything anymore?

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago

    Correct, though the car in question here is electric and will almost certainly use the motors to slow the car to reuse that energy. The motors should be able to stop the car even if the hydraulic brakes fail, and probably more effectively than a mechanical parking brake.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    apparently some do and some don't. or they require a particular cheat code when pressing the button, idk.

    the point is, you can't trust your parking brake to be an emergency brake anymore, you press a button and hope something happens

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    Every vehicle I've had with an electric parking brake operated the same way. Hold the park button while moving and it starts clamping the parking brake down, let off the button and it starts to release. So you can basically PWM the parking brake in an emergency.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    If you lose your brakes you can still pull the switch and it'll apply the e-brake. If you are on the highway and don't want to slam it on, you can turn on your hazards and coast to a safe place to apply it.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Because OEMs have all decided that the mechanical one was insufficient...

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Part of it is space savings or just making the interior more appealing.

    Never seen the third pedal on an American car/truck?

    Why have this huge space dedicated to the parking brake (hand lever) and gear shift.

    It's not a "huge space" and the reason is because they're significantly less expensive, more reliable, and easier to adjust and repair.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I’ve only ever had the pedal on trucks.

    They put them in cars, too...

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    It is and it isn't. To use the onboard control to actuate the parking brake, yes, you have to use the paywalled software. But it's a simple motor. Positive and negative. If you disconnect the connector at the parking brake and use fused jumper leads to a 12v battery, you can cause the actuator to go forward or backwards. Make sure the parking brake isn't applied before doing anything, disconnect the cars battery, disconnect the p brake connector, jump the terminals once you figure out which polarity causes the retraction. Manually compress the caliper piston, replace the pads (and hopefully the rotors too). Pump the brake pedal as you would normally once everything is replaced, reconnect everything, and you're good to go. in my experience this doesn't work on ford but there's a service procedure that doesn't use a scanner to force the park brake into service mode. There's always a way around dumb stuff like this

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    Must be newer VAG vehicles then, mine definitely needed a scan tool to put on service mode. Though it's also pretty old. I had a newer Mercedes and that had a hidden service menu that allowed me to do the brakes.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Yep, obdeleven let's you go into the basic settings because most of the times they have the passwords in the app. On the newer cars, especially audi, the service reset (not the oil reset) is behind a paywall. Maybe depends.on the scanner, but the autel and topdon ones need an additional subscription, along with Nissan, Chrysler etc

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    Probably like Chrysler, they were in bed together at one point. Just like merc, Chrysler has the junctions for network, similar aux battery, and so on. Most Chrysler you can just stomp the gas pedal 3 times to reset the oil light in addition to the instrument cluster shortcut.

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