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[–] 110 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Anyone want to bet that there are inventions that are great but would cost some people serious money and that's why we're not seeing them?

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  • [–] 102 points 11 months ago

    Not taking that bet. From the linked wikipedia page.

    According to reporting in Wired and Slate, the United States Patent and Trademark Office has at times considered applying secrecy orders to inventions deemed disruptive to established industries.

    You may be sure that there are times when they did more than consider it.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago

    It looks like they fuck over inventors.

    Most of these appear to be for government projects such as with the Department of Defense and the NSA.

    Sometimes, a regular invention outside of government contacts gets labeled with this and the government don’t pay for it. The inventor isn’t allowed to talk about it so they get fucked out of any income.

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  • [–] 175 points 11 months ago* (25 children)

    secrecy orders have been imposed not only on inventions affecting military defense but also on those alleged to threaten economic stability, with critics noting that many such restrictions rest on speculative or unproven harms.

    But also

    The law applies broadly to all inventions in the United States for which a patent is filed or granted (35 U.S.C. § 181).

    So if you really do have a society changing invention - one that could upset this capitalist or neoliberal world order - it is your duty to publically release it and not patent it

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    They'll suppress it unless they can make money off it like crypto or "AI".

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Bitcoin was publicly released with full code and no pre-mining. It could not be patented for this reason.

    The original creator is still unknown and has never moved their coins.

    This strategy is the way.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Yo.
    Thanks for curing me of my ignorance, i had no idea. I'm going to have to read more about this! I always thought crypto was cool in theory, unfortunate the state of its practice.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I suspect the “threatens economic stability” is stuff like printers that can produce dollars and the type of paper/thread/plastic material that makes up modern currency. I think people are looking for a conspiracy here when it’s just a logical choice. Some things people shouldn’t have a playbook on how to create.

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  • [+] -24 points 11 months ago (16 children)

    In which case some rich cunt will patent it and nuke the internet of its details

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  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    Worst kind of poster, sees a ratioed a comment jumps in for an easy jab. If I'm wrong so be it but you added less than anyone to this thread. You could have corrected me but nothing was easier.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (7 children)

    It's your burden to show when things like that happened. You just said a vague sentence while acting like you're adding to the conversation.

    You weren't.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    Two wrongs make a right is a very solid footing for an argument.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Strawmaning is dumb.

    I said you should show when something like that happened. Or shut up.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Except that isnt what you said, you said No. Its not strawmaning, I am not defending my point I'm criticising your role in this as useless. My comment and your comment being the two wrongs.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Again: coming to the conversation with a baseless accusation is not helpful, unless supported by any evidence.

    It does not deserve anything other than "No.".

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    It wasn't an accusation, it was a hyperbolic comment on the state of copyright law and corporate shenanigans in a deregulated free market late stage capitalism environment.

    It wasnt deserving of more because you dont seem to be capable of more, you just followed the downvotes and cant justify why.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Good luck scrubbing anything off the internet with even a little social momentum. If people think its good enough to share, then it's never fully getting scrubbed.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Do you think there would be significant momentum behind someone posting what amounts to detailed patenting information?

    Presumably someone without a following that absolutely no one that runs any of the social momentum sites would want someone else to have?

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    That is not how the internet works

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Sure its not, I am delghted for you that you can still see the fappening nudes but if you think for a second that US hosting companies will be allowed to host content that has been flagged under this procedure you ae dreaming.

    Its not conspiritorial to recognise things can be made very difficuly to find on the public facing web.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    US hosted companies

    Thats like saying you can't sell drugs inside the police commissioners office. Yeah, everyone understands that, doofus. Nobody that wants to release information that a nation state level actor wants suppressed is going to do it within their borders.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    This is intentionally obtuse, how is something going to gain traction without being hosted on services that are answerable to the US before someone else were to patent it and start the process.

    Tell people down the pub and upload it to what? Pirate bay? Tiktok?

    It would be incredibly difficult, the law is ripe for abuse.

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  • [–] 41 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Oh good, apparently my late father's Folding Crossbow isn't a restricted patent..

    https://patents.google.com/patent/US4926834A/en

    I still posess the prototype, albeit a bit damaged now.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    that's cool. Seems a bit 'busy' for something that should be foldable

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago*

    Honestly it is a bit busy, like feature creep.

    The lower stock and left bow are unfortunately now broken, but I want to do my best to restore it eventually.

    I've already collected feathers and a new rifle scope, I just need an antique Volkswagen leaf spring...

    Yeah you think this is a witch stew, but it isn't. These are the parts I need to properly fix my dad's invention.

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  • [–] 27 points 11 months ago

    and the politicians pinky promise they won't use it for market manipulation… pinky promise

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  • [–] 26 points 11 months ago (16 children)

    6543 inventions are currently suppressed.

    Like what?

    /s

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  • [–] 24 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Pills that actually make your wang the size of an elephant trunk while making it prehensile.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I wouldn't be surprised if most of them have to do with rocketry or bioweapons and other things to make them work. I've designed things personally that are not destructive themselves but aid in testing or improving accuracy of hypersonic vehicles. The DOW (formerly DOD) did not allow us to apply for patents due to national security.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    The DoD is still the DoD. DoW is its preferred name.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    Patents Granted To Two Formerly Secret Inventions

    I have now fallen into a hole and will research this indefinitely.

    Here’s a story about a guy who figured out how to track stealth planes: Congratulations, Your Genius Patent Is Now a Military Secret

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  • [+] 28 points 11 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Water? Brother that's 50's tech.

    We're on to Cold Fusion reactors the size of your fist, SRO high-entropy alloys, and room temp superconductors.

    :D

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Really though.

    I've been saying it for a while, even if we figured out fusion, it wouldn't see the light of day.

    The petrodollar would tank in value because fusion is obviously superior to gasoline/petrol.

    It would be the end of the US currency if petroleum were to be replaced.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago*

    I’ve been saying it for a while, even if we figured out fusion, it wouldn’t see the light of day.

    Fusion reactors would be absolutely massive, hugely expensive, centralized facilities that provide something of great value for very little labour input. They're the PERFECT tool of capitalism.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    See I can't see this being true, because if we figured out how to do it, and let someone else do it first, they would get all of the gains first.

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  • [–] 25 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I always wondered what happened to all the neat reports of cars that ran on old oil or could get 50mpg in the 50s. Guess they were too disruptive. We can't have nice things. 😮‍💨

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago

    Cars that run on old oil are basically just diesel engines. It's also pretty easy to get a vehicle with high fuel efficiency, it's really hard to get one that also meets emission standards and doesn't kill you in a crash.

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I mean, if some dude invented a neutron bomb in his garage, how would they know until it's too late? 🤔

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago

    They do have networks of radiation sensors and reporters because of the guy who built an atomic device out of smoke detectors, giving himself and others radiation poisoning. Also, there have been some nuclear weapons go a tiny bit permanently missing, and suitcase-size dirty bombs were a huge scare for a hot minute, etc etc.

    Honestly it's really shocking we escaped the past century alive.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

    You can set up a genetic engineering lab for under 5000 bucks in your garage, and I would prefer you not being able to google how to DIY some super-ebola, thank you very much.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Look, we need to open source genetic engineering.

    Some bastard will create super-ebola, sure, but some proactive individuals will quickly create a free vaccine for it, and for cancer and the common cold. (It will also turn you into a literal furry, of course, but that's probably a price worth paying.)

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Unfortunately causing damage is almost always much easier than protecting against it. For a deadly virus this seems especially true because someone could have a lab in their garage and die once it's created, but to study it afterward would require extreme care.

    So say a few bastards release 1000 variants of different super-viruses instead of just one. Then the research and infrastructure needed to counter them multiply potentially to an unrealistic level.

    Also if someone can create super-ebola, that doesn't mean a vaccine could also be created.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    not only in the US but I bet the american cia have killed people in other countries to protect rich people money. I bet we do have a water based car

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    Where's this "Land of the Free" that I keep hearing about?

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  • [+] 4 points 11 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Truman’s house and Presidential Library aren’t too far away if I need to egg it.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Ah yes, more shady behavior under the guise of “national security”.

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    [–] 9 points 11 months ago* (3 children)

    Let's list off the conspiracy items that supposedly exist under this list:

    • The 100+mpg carburetor
    • Water powered car
    • Any number of 'free energy' devices
    • The chem trail chemical chemistry
    • Whatever drugs actually worked in the MKUltra testing
    • The brain control microchips
    • Cure for cancer or any other number of chronic and/or common illnesses
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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Real answers, probably just 6,000 different targeting solutions and the rest is weird sex shit that oligarchs want for themselves.

    Also, the carburetor would literally break the laws of physics.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago
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    50% freedom of speech.

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