Asking because my gf has ADHD and she told me that, the first time she took ritalin (methylphenidate), she thought to herself "So this is what it feels like to not have ADHD?"

That got me thinking, is there a drug that has a similar effect on autists, that allows them to experience what is it like to "not have autism"?

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[–] 37 points 11 months ago (1 child)

I appreciate that from the responses here, it seems that a lot the autistic community views normal people as the equivalent of just being drunk or high. In other words, raw autism is like being extra sober.

I agree (moreso THC for me personally), but I also think it's really funny.

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago

    I suspect that the usual alcohol/weed choices don't actually change anything. They just deaden our ability to care as much about not messing up and whatever the current sensory shit is doing. So, less autism, but only because it's less of our experience as a whole.

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  • [–] 25 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    If there was, they'd already have us on it from childhood.

    I recommend psilocybin mushrooms.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I'd love to try these, but I'm only Colorado adjacent. Is there a reliable source of psilocybin you can recommend?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    If you're the type that can learn stuff online, growing your own is very easy. You can do anywhere from just a couple inoculated cups of instant rice to turning it into a full blown hobby.

    Best practice is usually found on the shroomery message boards. Even if you end up just buying some, they have a wealth of advice for newbie psychonauts too. There's no shortage of reading material for those with enough interest.

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I've got ADHD and stimulant meds help me get distracted less, but they don't do much to help me focus on the right things sadly. Still definitely helpful though.

    But no, I (a complete amateur with zero qualifications) highly doubt such a drug is possible, and if there were one it'd be kinda uncomfortable to ponder the very concept of making neurodivergent brains work like neurotypical brains at some point.

    Like, why should we have to change when it's society that sucks, not us?

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Same, but meds in combination with my learned copes and methods, before and after diagnostic, is a miracle drug.

    For example:

    • I catch myself focusing on a news site or lemmy -> set a 5 minute timer when to stop
    • pick an item from my todo-list. If no list is present, only make the list, then allow myself to do whatever I want
    • don't feel like any of those things -> just simulate doing them in my head. If still none appeal to me, I can do what I want. It happens often enough that I want to do one after the "simulation".
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  • [–] [S] 2 points 11 months ago

    Like, why should we have to change when it’s society that sucks, not us?

    I'm not really interested in "becoming a full-time normie", but I would be lying if I said I wouldn't want to experience that life for like a day, maybe up to a week, tops, to get a better understanding of both sides

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I've tried Escitalopram, Paroxetine, and Foquest... I'm not "normal", per se, but I'm not freaking out as much as I am when I'm not on something...

    That said, I feel "normal" after having a couple of drinks, or having some thc+cbd... obviously not a great idea to rely on either.

    I've heads that the regions autists need help with chemically is a different region and chemical than regular adhd members. I don't remember the exact chemical imbalance, something similar to SISG or something... not SISS. Hmmm...

    I'll try to find the science paper I read about it.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Please update if you do, I always like reading about that kind of thing.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago

    I feel most normal when I'm around other neurodivergents. One person in my peer support group said that autism is an environmental problem rather than a personal one.

    I have AuDHD and amphetamines make me feel "more normal" (easier) when I'm in a work setting or similar social environment with lots of stimuli. Then again when I'm at home they make me feel less normal (in those bigger doses that I need to function "outside"), I need to change the dosage according to amount of expected stimuli, I've heard other AuDHD people share the experience.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    No. Autism is a different development of the brain, hence there is no 'fix' or drug, as can be read in medical literature.

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    I figured my shit out by reading John Elder Robison, and followed him in medias for a while. Some time back, 5-10 years, he tried out a thing where they stimulate an area of your brain with (IIRC) electromagnetism, and he talked about it the way some people talk about being born again (the Jesus kind of born again). "I once was blind but now I see!"

    I'm sure a google will turn up how that's going, it was just a study or something that he got to participate in at the time I think.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    That's not how that works

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    Feel “normal”? Yes, the drug that works. (High dose of cbd for me, a little alcohol can also work in a social setting)

    Actual Neurotypical experience? Biologically impossible.

    Your neurodivergent self is your real “normal”.

    But when you no longer experience symptoms that cause the everyday problems you struggle with and feel like you just function optimal.. that’s an amazing feeling allright. But it can almost feel like a high in contrast. Its definitely not what “neurotypicals feel like all the time”

    They have their own days that they struggle or function more optimal.

    The main difference is that there struggles are “normal” ones that “everyone has” and “understands” (y)ours are different and can cause social strife, exclusion.

    Its possible that while your symptoms are gone you fit in better amongst neurotypicals and this sense of belonging is a big part of the neurotypical experience, but your brain is still a neurodivergent one at its core, with all the good and bad that goes on in it.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    i always feel like i act more like a normie when i'm a bit drunk. have you tried that?

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I get a lot more talkative, like stupid chatty drunk, but my faulty social filters end up failing more often, so I don't think that could be considered a "normie experience". If I go a bit overboard with alcohol, I get super depressed.

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    IIRC cocaine functions as a reuptake inhibitor for dopamine, serotonin, and norepinephrine, while things like SSRIs and SNRIs inhibit the reuptake of just serotonin, or serotonin and norepinephrine. Clinical trails on coke could be interesting but id expect it more to target things like depression or maybe anxiety, which I know a lot of us develop trying to cope with the tism.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Op, you should talk with your doc about starting Spravato. It’s an outpatient medicine assisted therapy using es-ketamine and it’s literally changed (and saved) my life

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    For me, it's called "stop forcing me to be social when I don't want to"

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