Fuck Akio and Toyota

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[–] 143 points 11 months ago (41 children)

Easy: So I can scratch Toyota from the list of potentially interesting car companies for my next car.

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  • [–] 90 points 11 months ago* (16 children)

    You can simply scratch every single new car from that list while you're at it. Every single one is a massive privacy violation with zero right to repair and corporations that soft-support the Nazi's in myriad ways. Buy used and repair yourself, or walk.

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  • [–] 31 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (6 children)

    I'm learning a hard lesson that you can't fix much after ~2016 either. You can replace the parts, but good luck resetting the computers without proprietary dealership software.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, you have to go back to the 2000s-2010s era and when abundant spare parts and junkyards start to run out, be prepared to invest new-car level cash in custom fabrication and mechanical work to keep it on the road. Cars don't really have to be as complicated or expensive as they are, but for now, they're always going to be. People have always been custom-building cars for show, for history, for racing, for performance, and pretty soon we're going to start doing it for daily drivers too, and it'll stay that way until they start changing the laws to try to force these cars off the road for environmental reasons. Until then, support your local custom car builders, they're going to become the future of repairable cars, at least when it comes to the pre-EV gas guzzlers.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    Should be a full business keeping pre 2014 cars on the road or resto modding them to use after market user serviceable ecus.

    Really depends on the car though. You can do amything with any 5.0 mustang and keep it going forever. An 02 focus though, youre screwed and there's no parts avilable any more and no aftermarket for it

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Most manufacturer software is easy to find online.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    I love my 14 year old vw with no smart system (what little smart infotainment system it has hasn’t worked since I bought it and I’m replacing it with a regular stereo eventually) that I bought with a little cash. It has no frills like blind spot detection, lane stuff, nor backup camera, and I love it. But it has the right frills like heated seats and a sunroof.

    I’m not sure I want a newer vehicle.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (3 children)
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    It’s still required to have all the mandatory safety systems like automatic braking, back up camera etc. And to have those systems, all the brake and steering systems will require the same electronics as every other brand. It’s also why Toyota techs hate working on the Supra, because it actually uses design/tech from this decade, and it even uses BMW electronics that are two generations behind current BMWs.

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  • [+] -7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Buy a used (ICE) car, and you're supporting the fossil fuel industry. Walk, cycle, and public transport.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago

    public transport isn't really an option for me (though I regularly advocate for it in my area and vote for people that will fund it), so I go the route of inexpensive used car and avoiding driving as much as I can

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    I'm all for alternative transportation but that blanket statement is closed minded.

    Do you own clothing? Do your groceries come in packaging? Do you live in an insulated, electrified, and plumbed dwelling? To dismiss someone with 'buying x supports big oil' ignores the lack of viable alternatives and the society we have to live in.

    It's the same line of thinking that leads talking head of corporate media to question Stop Oil protesters about the plastic buttons on their shirt as if exemplifying hypocrisy.

    Many people do not have their needs met in terms of public transport, cycle infrastructure, or even sidewalks. Buying an old combustion vehicle for a few thousand dollars is leaps and bounds better than spending tens of thousands an electric vehicle.

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  • [–] -3 points 11 months ago (23 children)

    They are literally the only ones who make a decent car anymore. Every other brand is horrible and constantly breaks down.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Hard disagree. Toyota has its lemons as well and people who bitch about problems far outweigh people who are happy and don’t say shit.

    I’ve driven and owned Jeep (80-90 model), Eagle, Nissan, Mazda, Hyundai, and now Subaru and my vehicles have all been spectacular and lasted a long time with routine maintenance.

    Do some model years or brands have some duds? Yeah. No one is perfect and plenty of other brands are just great.

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  • [+] 15 points 11 months ago* (3 children)
  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    Yes, exactly this. Many people just don’t do the basics and part of that is money. The labor costs are what get ya. The complexity of narrowing down what’s wrong as the cars are more computerized and have more electrical components also makes it difficult to diagnose even for the pros.

    Key detail is that routine maintenance is important. Spark plugs, oil changes, flushes, timing belt, radiator, tires, brake pads, etc.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

    Ask owners of new Tundras what they think about “reliability”. But, It is true, Toyotas are so fucking basic in design, there is not much to break or wear out. They are 10 years behind most other companies.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Made in the USA btw. If you want a good Toyota, you have to get a J VIN car. (From Japan) The Mexican Tacoma's are ass too.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (6 children)
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    Man, we had a Subaru outback for a while. Still miss the space, but the interior flooded every time it rained.

    Turns out, the roof doesn't actually have a place to shed water externally - it drains through the car before going out the bottom. Apparently part of regular maintenance involves cleaning out that channel... and where we live has enough tree debris that it always clogged up early, and backed up into the passenger compartment.

    Now, I don't know a lot about car design... but draining the roof through the body of the car, in such a way that you have to have a service tech see to it to keep it weatherproof? Makes me wonder what else might be waiting to go wrong.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    What model year was that? Never heard of such a thing. I suspect you had a defective car.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    I want to say 2014-2016? It was bizarre, but the dealership didn't seem to have any notion that it was a real problem. Just kept hearing back "Oh yeah, sounds like it needs blown out again" whenever it happened.

    And it was never a problem right after it was serviced, just in the month or two before it was due to be serviced again. It seemed like there was a SOP that could address it, it just required frequent maintenance to be able to handle rain falling on the roof.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    That's so weird. I know two people with that model year who don't have that issue. Your comment spurred me to ask around. Very weird, sorry you had to deal with that.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago*

    Yeah, like I said, it sounds like normal maintenance is enough to keep up with the "typical" use case. We live in an area with a lot of trees, and had nowhere to park it where debris didn't clog it fast, apparently. They did recommend we park it in the garage at one point, but... the car was longer than our garage! Seemed silly to renovate our house to expand our garage when the problem was that the car wasn't built to shed dirty rainwater safely, so we sold it and got a shorter car instead.

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  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Take a look at Volvo or Mercedes

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Volvo's offering in my country:
    No prices on their website, so I checked out used Volvos, year 2025 and an XC40 starts at 36k EUR with 10k km on it.
    I don't think this is a brand I can seriously get behind because I feel like they're trolling me.

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  • [–] 49 points 11 months ago

    I was that close to a GR Corolla too. Thanks for making this easier.

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  • [–] 96 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Reminder: Toyota is also the third biggest anti climate lobbyist in the world

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  • [–] 47 points 11 months ago* (4 children)

    Is this the same Toyota that sells like one EV model? Not exactly stunning leadership.

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  • [–] 39 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    One shitty EV they co developed with Subaru.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    And hydrogen cars that have almost a dozen available filling stations!

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago

    Ah, you mean the hydrogen that could theoretically be made from water but is actually in practice made from natural gas? The perfect infinitely renewable fuel indeed! Someday, it could even be zero-carbon! Someday in the future, after the oil companies have finished getting even richer and decide they finally have enough money now. Could happen any day now. Won't. But could!

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  • [+] 43 points 11 months ago (2 children)
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    what would you want a new car for anyways?

    they:

    • track you and harvest and sell your data

    • are not easy to repair because they are not designed for it

    • are designed as obnoxiously as possible (see: blinding headlights, blind spots, size, noise levels from weight and wheel size, etc)

    • have excessive amounts of shitty tech 'solutions' to fulfill simple requirements (yes Daddy I loooove navigating menus on a touchscreen for my climate control and headlights)

    you couldn't pay me to drive the average new car. I just bought a 2012 that I don't even know if it passes safety yet, because it's better than spending twice as much in something newer and inevitably shittier, even after considering the unknowns that will pop up. at least the problems my 2012 will have will be fixable.

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  • [–] 33 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Toyota lobbies hard against CAFE standards. They don’t wanna sell Priuses, they wanna sell TRUCKS!!!!

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  • [–] 23 points 11 months ago

    Of course. They're massively profitable.

    1. You can ignore half the emissions standards requirements

    2. People want them because they're scared of driving a smaller vehicle while the other massive trucks on the road can crush them.

    3. They always talk about the ability to move things like furniture or equipment or things like thag despite only doing that twice a year, and rentals existing, including directly from places like Lowe's and Home Depot.

    4. People are willing to pay a premium because they mistakenly think that bigger vehicles cost substantially more to make because bigger must mean a lot more material, despite most of a vehicle being empty space.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    This is absolutely true, but at the same time they killed the bulletproof 5.7 V8 and replaced it with a twin turbo v6 that just barely gives 200lbs extra towing and just craps all over itself every time ruining the Toyota worldwide name for reliability

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  • [–] 31 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Damn. Just finished up the payments on mine.

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  • [–] [S] 57 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    You purchased and paid it off before you knew, drive with a clear conscience until the wheels fall off and hope by then a better more ethical world exists.

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  • [–] 24 points 11 months ago

    Cracking up that the photo is in front of a Ford

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  • [–] 23 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Is that the Mr. Toyota Trump was talking about?

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    The name isn’t a coincidence. Akio Toyoda is a classic generational wealth nepo baby, the grandson of the founder of Toyota. Of course he’d be a Trumper.

    The name of the company is read with a “ta” instead of “da” because of some Japanese numerology superstition reasons that I don’t fully understand.

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago (9 children)
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    Honda is bending to Maga too.

    Honda, GM and Chrysler have all cancelled plans of opening / expanding Factories in Canada, some that were already subsidied by the local governments, in favor of caving to US demands of returning manufacturing there instead.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Well that may just be business prudence. In a world where Trump might wake up, see a picture of Trudeau kissing Katie Perry, and decide to make your cars 300% more expensive because fuck everyone, it's probably wiser to just not take that risk...

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    They can also control the US by just denying them vehicles. Hondas are incredibly popular vehicles, and removing them and their parts from the market would piss a LOT of people off.

    Capitalism is where the money is the important part and has the power yet whenever these corporations find themselves in a position where the system could actually function in some vaguely beneficial way for society they still fall all over themselves to suck off whatever shitstain is causing problems.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    It all comes back to shareholder primacy. Dodge v Ford decided that corporations must act first and foremost in the interest of shareholders. And the more modern Friedman doctrine decrees that they should cater to those interests not only primarily, but exclusively, even at the expense of all others.

    Honda could try a bargaining tactic like that. And their shareholders could sue the shit out of them. And the shareholders would win. Because our model of corporate governance is fucked.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Nissans are unfortunately no longer considered reliable, due to often short-lived CVTs

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago*

    The Pathfinder, Frontier and the Armada have standard ZF automatic trans, no CVTs.

    I've always loved Honda personally, nissan is still an option especially now with them keeping the V6 and 9speed auto on those 3 models.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago

    That's a bummer. I love my old gen2 Priussy.

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    More Tundras sold = more money

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    And sadly, Toyota about the only vehicle that I can comfortably sit in without my back being torn up.

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  • [–] [S] 13 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    You ever sat in a Volvo? Best seats ever.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    The CEO of Toyota is named Toyoda?

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Although the founding family's name was written in the Kanji "豊田" (rendered as "Toyoda"), the company name was changed to a similar word in katakana - トヨタ (rendered as "Toyota") because the latter has 8 strokes which is regarded as a lucky number in East Asian culture.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    Sounds like the NEXT AMERICAN BOYCOTT!!!

    Ask Elon how that went!

    DUMBASS! Can’t fix stupid!

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Wonder how much it costs to sell your soul to trump. Wonder what this bozo wants from trump

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    boomer asians/gen x asians lean conservative heavily often, moreso to do with thier socially conservative culture in thier own countries. evenmore if they are religious in anyway.

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