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[–] 70 points 11 months ago (11 children)

She's also derivative as hell, but children's lit doesn't get real deep reviews, and we were all too busy defending it from Christianity to really notice.

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  • [–] 38 points 11 months ago (8 children)
  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    starring Tim Curry? how have i missed this

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    It's overlooked because he doesn't play a villain, Curry is at his best as the bad guy

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Wait...is Dr. Frank-N-Furter a villain? I always thought he was the hero and Riff-Raff was the villain.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    As a child I read Groosham Grange from Anthony Horowitz, and when I first heard a description of Harry Potter, I thought that they were describing that book from Horowitz. I can't believe no one else noticed. But I also think that most people active in children's literature will have an attitude of "anything that gets a child reading, is a good thing", so they're not that upset about poor quality being popular and they'd rather keep the positive vibe going.

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  • [–] 227 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (41 children)

    Yeah, calling the only black dude Shacklebolt as well. The more you look the worse it gets.

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  • [–] 106 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    Even the Irish kid gets worse in the books. Apart from making things explode, his other notable character trait is repeatedly trying to turn various drinks into whiskey.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    his other notable character trait is repeatedly trying to turn various drinks into whiskey.

    In fucking fairness half of your personal goals as an Irish teenager in the 90s and 2000s related to acquiring alcohol and getting drunk.

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  • [–] 65 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Oh goodness, I never thought of that.

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  • [–] 76 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    And the bank goblins being Jewish caricatures

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  • [–] 46 points 11 months ago (14 children)

    Jesus fucking Christ what? there was a character named shacklebolt???

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  • [–] 67 points 11 months ago (12 children)

    Kingsly Shacklebolt, i believe he was the personal assistant to the prime minister. His most famous quote: "dumbledores got style"

    Not the only black character in harry potter btw

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  • [–] 46 points 11 months ago (11 children)

    "Not the only black character in harry potter btw"

    Yeah everyone forgets about Hermione

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  • [–] 41 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    JK pushed a tweet out explaining that she always envisioned Hermione as a black girl.

    It was at the beginning of her descent into madness.

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  • [–] 39 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    That makes the whole SPEW thing even more hilarious. Imagine a black girl starts a campaign to end slavery of house elves, and everybody makes fun of her. The fucking author's position ins that the elves actually prefer slavery and Hermione is stupid for trying to end that.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (3 children)

    I swear y'all talk out your ass so much of the time, I get Rowling is a shitty terf but lying about content of the books is just stupid.

    Harry freeing dobby is a major plot point

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I mean I'm on your side sort of, but in the books most of the Elves do prefer having a master and not getting paid. Which one could and probably should equate to slavery.

    Hogwarts is like a super prestigious job for the house elves and none of them want to be paid or freed. Although idk who their master would be technically. They sort of imply it's the headmaster at least.

    Winky is just broken after she gets freed. Or fired as she sees it. A hit to her honor, and then she becomes a drunk when they go to work for Hogwarts with Dobby, but even then Winky refuses to get paid iirc.

    But yeah there's a lot of out of context things. Fuck Rowling but I still like Potter. Not gonna give any money tho

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Besides, it can still be made consensual. Change the contract. Elves prefer being servants? Let them stay as servants willingly while having the option to leave if they prefer so. Keeping only the two extremes yall are slaves and yall are fired also is a pretty much pro-slavery position.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    You're right. Sure. We could do that.

    Or we can just accept that the Wizarding World is actually made for children and not planned out in the same detail as Middle-Earth & Tolkien's languages.

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  • [–] -5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Off topic, but I dig black Velma in the reboot.

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  • [+] 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 21 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    That one was on purpose:

    In the book, just like in the movie, Spearchucker reveals that the nickname "Spearchucker", ordinarily a racial slur, referred in this case to his javelin-throwing prowess.

    They use the racism behind his nickname to address racism:

    The film also depicts Spearchucker as a particularly skilled neurosurgeon and this, together with the experience of playing football together, helps Duke Forrest overcome his racial prejudices and the two become friends at the end, shaking hands when it is time for Duke to go back stateside.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Nah... come on.... please, let that not have been a conscious thing

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  • [–] 21 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Mate, there's so many weird or disturbing things in the books that didn't make it into the movies.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    You can't just leave us hanging like that?

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Is it true that the centaur from movie 1 had more lines than all the black characters in all 7 books?

    And then modern fans get mad at black Snape in the TV show (if that gets to finish. My bets is it will patter out like the fantastic beasts movies)

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Fans get mad about black Snape because it would instantly make Harry look like an ultra racist without rewriting half the book.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    I believe you, but how so? I've not read the books.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    Because half the plot of the books are Harry being suspicious of Snape based on basically just looks and a gut feeling at first and then hating him progressively as the books go on.

    You can picture it in your mind "Oh Snape is very sketchy, he looks different then all the other professors. I know he is a bad person.. I am going to prove it" with the visual background that he is like the only black professor and just one of a few black wizards shown.

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    [–] 41 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    They see me (rowling), they hating. Trying to catch me writing dirty...

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  • [–] 80 points 11 months ago (23 children)

    The Troubles was so long ago for me that the character quirk went over my head.

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  • [–] 26 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (15 children)

    Allow me to hit you with my cane. The Manchester blast was fucking loud.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Thank you kindly for the links, I was just about to search for the Manchester Bombing, if I'm being honest I thought "The Troubles" was the name of a book or movie. I didn't realize they gave such a non-chillant name to such a bloody conflict. Suddenly the meme makes sense though!

    Thanks again!

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    It tends to attract negative attention if you admit there's a civil war going on.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    In the future, we'll look back sadly on the current Times of Greatness.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    What exactly in the above sentence would have suggested to the average person that they should Google search the troubles?
    Or are you saying any time I see a nonsensical sentence I should just stop what I'm doing and google search the whole thing?

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    What exactly in the above sentence would have suggested to the average person that they should Google search the troubles?

    Well, I am still under the - maybe naive - impression that people understand context.

    If one user writes about "The Troubles" (capitalised), and another mentions "the Manchester blast", my expectation was that a person is able to put 2 and 2 together and google "The Troubles Manchester blast" at the very least.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    They never really did.

    Also I never really used Google. I am a duckduckgo or brave search or even startpage type of guy.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (4 children)

    Just FYI - Startpage is also using Google's search index, so you're kind of also "googling".

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (3 children)

    Probably why I dont really use it. Duckduckgo and brave.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    In general, there are two main search indexes: Google's and Bing's, with a bunch of smaller ones here and there.

    DDG uses Bing and Yahoo, mainly. Their own index is relatively small.

    Brave says they use their own index.

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    The films added the stereotypes. They made the goblins hooked nosed and added a Star of David decoration to the greengots bank floor.

    It's not in the books but Rowling still had huge control over the film so retains responsibility.

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    That’s not a star of david, and it wasn’t added for the film. That’s the floor of the Freemasons Hall in London.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    That’s not a star of david

    The masonic seal of Solomon is directly referencing the star of David.

    it wasn’t added for the film.

    The location was chosen for the film and the 6 pointed star was in shot unaltered.

    That’s the floor of the Freemasons Hall in London.

    Its filmed in Australia House.

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  • [+] -8 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    But maybe don't include the floor in the center shot when you're already being accused of antisemitism.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    They weren't actively being accused at that time and, again, that's not the star of david.

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  • [–] 35 points 11 months ago* (6 children)

    I find it amazing that she can be so fucking tone deaf.

    Like, wasn't half of your entire best-selling series about equality/prejudice, you daft fucking terf? Pretty sure there was a whole lot about the unfair treatment of house elves and muggle-borns. Pretty sure that first antagonist we meet (aside from the Dudley's) is a poster-child for Hitler Youth.

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  • [–] 35 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Pretty sure there was a whole lot about the unfair treatment of house elves

    no, the house elves loved being slaves and hermione was being hysterical for fighting for their rights.

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  • [+] 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    The difference between Palestinians and house elves is that Palestinians don't like being in a concentration camp that is constantly being bombarded by its guards.

    House elves like being servile and the thing that struck Hermione the most is that many owners took advantage of their servitude by using them as a valve to live out their sadism. Hermione's biggest flaw was that her goals were all over the place and it would have been better to just cross out the cruel treatment of the elves by pursuing a protection law similar to the law to "protect" muggles. Protect in quotes here because wizards and witches (especially the adult ones) are batshit fucking insane and care much more about their secrecy than the victims of the crime. Meddling with shit like health care and wages for house elves, which they don't even want, is pointless.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    Which is also amazing because she is simultaneously a target herself for being muggle-born. To the point that she had to erase herself from her own parents memories.

    Meanwhile in the real world, bigotry is still common among oppressed groups. See also: racism in LGBT communities, self-hating Jews, Catholics/Protestants, close-the-border 1st and 2nd gen immigrants etc.

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  • [–] 64 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Im so glad she has no idea what Mexicans or latinos are. We would have gotten “Jose frijoles” a Mexican wizard with a moustache and hat who throws a spanish word into every sentence.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Ok I know I shouldnt have, but that did make me chuckle.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago*

    There's no "shouldn't have" here. We can laugh at these things. This was a joke about how badly JKR writes foreigners, not a joke about the race it depicts.

    There are good and bad jokes about racial stereotypes. Are we making fun of Mexicans or are we making fun of racist peoples' stereotypes about Mexicans? I'd argue this joke was the latter.

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