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[–] 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

This is not only about gaming. If this low consume high performance sweety is actually affordable, 2026 could actually become the biggest year ever for Linux users. SteamOS is based on Arch Linux, and considering the power of the machine, editing should be more than doable. Now, i'm not too sure about the current compatibility/emulation of windows native software on linux, but with a substantial increase in desktop users, there could be some serious breakthrough, just like we already had with Proton for the games.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The relevant bit is not that SteamOS is based on Arch, but that it is running KDE Plasma desktop.

    with a substantial increase in desktop users there could be some serious breakthrough like we already had with Proton

    Most desktop users are not going to turn developers.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago*

    Litetally two days ago, I said that Proton is the most important project in the history of linux, in terms of getting linux to a mass adoption / user base.

    Got mostly downvotes.

    Then this happens.

    Another thing I'vr been saying for a while:

    Kernel Anti Cheat profileration in huge AAA games has the effect of stymying wider linux adoption.

    It will be MSFT's last trump card, now that they're basically just a mega publisher, in terms of video games.

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  • [–] 81 points 1 year ago (36 children)

    This thing has pretty interesting hardware:

    The chip almost looks like a cut down AMD Ryzen AI Max 385, but with fewer CPU cores and GPU CUs, but the GPU gets its own dedicated VRAM, rather than sharing it, like it does in something like a Framework Desktop.

    It also seems like it gets a decent amount of power, so likely at higher clock speeds, performance should be pretty good for not that much money. If this is supposed to be a console then it can't be much more than a PS5 at $550 or PS5 Pro at $750.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

    Dave2D mentioned that Valve said it isn't aiming to directly compete with consoles, but rather sff PCs. So the price will likely be in the $700-900 range(?)

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I can see this going for around $750 personally

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Below this price it will literally "evaporate" in seconds after release.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    You're not fitting a 6 core processor and a **60esque card in a ssf case for less than $1k I don't think, so even $900 is competitive

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I believe that Valve can afford to sell hardware at cost or even a little in the red. Getting people in the steam store ecosystem makes it back and then some in the long term.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Normally that only works if you have DRM that locks the games to your platform, so that people don't get the hardware at a discount then use it to run someone else's software.

    But, in Valve's case, it really has no competitors in the PC gaming space. That might not last forever, but it almost certainly will last as long as this PC / console is around.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    They said they wanted to sell it at PC prices not console prices. Probably because this thing is literally a PC that can be used without ever downloading a single game. If it were too cheap companies could buy it as cheap office PCs.

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  • I think you can. The Ryzen 7600 and Rx 7600 are kinda cheap nowadays, even better if you use a 7500f.

    You use a Chinese b650 ITX motherboard around 150 dollars and boom. You don't need to buy expensive stuff to make a passable small PC.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

    Is it an APU, or is it a "desktop" CPU and GPU on one board? CPU specs are close to the 7600x but downlocked. And with dedicated vram I'd assume the GPU is it's own separate thing.

    GPU looks like it's probably a tweaked RX 7400 based on the specs.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    This seems to blur the lines between desktop and mobile APU's, but I would bet that's it's closer to a higher clocked mobile chip, than it is to desktop. The only reason I think this is the case is due to the similarity spec wise with the Max 385, and that it's semi-custom.

    If it was just a 7600x CPU + 7600 GPU I think they would have just said so. It could be separate CPU+GPU, but I think it might be possible that it is built more like a SOC, where the GPU is just given its own dedicated VRAM.

    Looking at the hardware of say a PS5, it has 16 GB of GDRR6, the same as the Steam Machine's VRAM.

    If everything is soldered anyway, there is no reason to have separate chips for CPU+GPU, especially if that hardware already exists like the AMD Ryzen AI Max line.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    According to Dave2D's review, RAM is upgradeable, and GPU has dedicated VRAM.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Well I'm probably wrong then, framework said they couldn't get good performance and maintain signal integrity with upgradable memory for the Ryzen Max cpus, so this is likely discrete Cpu and GPU. Probably all soldered in the same mainboard though.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Well I'm probably wrong then, framework said they couldn't get good performance and maintain signal integrity with upgradable memory for the Ryzen Max cpus

    On the other hand, Framework is run by far right sympathizers and are a few billion short of what Valve's R&D might have access too.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    If everything is soldered anyway, there is no reason to have separate chips for CPU+GPU, especially if that hardware already exists like the AMD Ryzen AI Max line.

    Cost is a factor because just as with Steam Deck the two SKUs will only differ in storage space, not in performance. Using last gen RDNA3 is 100% a cost driven choice.

    There was the story recently that AMD demanded a very high minimum order (10 million or so?) for semi-custom versions of the lasest Ryzen and RDNA iterations for some Xbox handheld which is unlikely that handheld would sell.

    By going this route, Valve avoided this. Surely there is spare manufacturing capacity for RDNA3 by now.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I would have thought unified memory would pay off, otherwise you spend your time shuffling stuff between system memory and vram. Isn't the deck unified memory?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    What you lose shuffling between CPU and GPU you gain by not having your GPU and CPU sharing the same bandwidth.

    Apple gets away with it by having an ungodly massive memory bus. I don't think valve is getting a 512 bit memory bus on what's probably a RX 7400/Ryzen 7600 tier CPU. Both of those combined would be like half that?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    Apple gets away with it by having an ungodly massive memory bus.

    It's kind of impressive how effective Apple's marketing team was towards developers when they started that push towards ARM PCs. A lot of people can remember that having shared memory benefits from not having to copy memory between the CPU and GPU, but barely any of them remember that the only reason it's feasible is because Apple gave their devices insanely high memory bandwidth.

    On the opposite end of the spectrum, look no further than the original Nintendo Switch. With an incredible 64-bit memory bus and 1600MHz memory clock speed, it was already being bottlenecked by its memory bandwidth 2 years into its lifespan. And that's counting first/second-party titles like the Link's Awakening remaster, not even shitty ports of games made for other consoles.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I'm not the best at gauging this but it seems it's meant to be carried around and plugged into a 4K TV and operate okay at 60fps for most games that multiple people would play while in the same room. The specs seem to align with that. What would the GPU be comparable to? A 6700 (non XT)?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I was going to build a gaming pc for the first time in years on Black Friday

    This news put it on hold immediately. I’ll just get the Steam Machine instead, it’s exactly what I’ve wished for: a more powerful Steam Deck without a screen or controller built in.

    AND it’ll run 4k games so I don’t need to downscale to my monitor.

    I’m perfectly fine with it being FSR and only 60fps, as 99% of the stuff I play are single player games anyway.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    With 8GB of VRAM, 4K gaming will suffer some.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    4k FSR, so it’s not rendered at 4k, but upscaled on the GPU

    Which I’m perfectly fine with

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The GabeCube looks awesome! The GabeGoggles probably aren't riddled with spyware. The controller fucks so hard it could be an aphrodisiac. Massive win for valve today.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Let's goooooo I just need to sell one kidney and I can complete the set

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's expensive, but not that expensive.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    Around 700, if we follow previous trends and account for inflation.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    The Steam Machine will not be $700 I'm certain. I'm betting around the $300-400 mark. I think most are assuming around $400 based on the fairly weak hardware (8GB of VRAM i+is of particular note), but they make money from sales on the market. I wouldn't be surprised if they sell it as a loss, because anyone they move off of console to PC is an even larger profit in the long term than any profit they could make from hardware sales.

    Consoles used to be sold at a loss when they were competing more on hardware rather than peer pressure and brand loyalty. Now they're sold at a profit and they require a subscription to use the internet you're already paying for, and they get a cut of sales. Valve would be stupid not to try to undercut them.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Love to see it! Been very excited about the rumors of the steam machine! Probably won't get one for a while cuz money, but I'll probably pick up a steam controller!

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    There's an LED strip, y'all!

    Cool, I hope they keep that idea. 😀

    Anyways it all depends on price/performance is good.
    Previous attempts at 3rd party Steam Machines were not good in that regard.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Have you heard of the Steam Deck? Things aren't the same as they were ten years ago.

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  • [+] -24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    What a moronic question to ask on a Steam Deck sub?
    Of course I have, and Steam deck was priced very aggressively, but info on who makes this Steam Machine and how it will be priced is 100% absent here.
    There was a pretty massive attempt at launching steam machines years before Steam Deck, and that it didn't go well.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_Machine_(computer)

    Following a two-year testing period, Steam Machines and its related hardware were released on November 10, 2015. By 2018, many Steam Machine models were no longer offered on the Steam store.

    How does that raise the question whether I'm aware of Steam Deck????

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Have you heard of irony? Especially considering the sub this is in, I thought it would be obvious.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    The LED strip? It's on the units that have already been tested and demo'd. What looks really interesting is the (presumably optional) front panel display that shows machine vitals. I've only seen that mentioned on some articles and videos.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Pretty exciting announcement! I was thinking about building a new rig and retiring my current machine with a 3080 to the TV. This might change that.

    What I'm more curious about is how are the folks at Microsoft reacting to this news, since it sounds like the next Xbox was essentially going to be a PC. With Valve doing it first and the fact that the Steam store is so huge, I'm imagining this makes them a bit nervous.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    don't wait for this, get or build a normal pc that you can change parts anytime you want, you will not regret it.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    If I were 20 years older, I'd be happy to spec out a mini-ITX build. But with a 3 year old running my life, my time is limited and if the price of this is right, it might make more sense for where my current life is at.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    Prreciousssss....

    We wants it!

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    In one of their videos on the store page, they even show the face plate being changed. :O

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, it seems that they have different color and graphics face plates, but what looked really cool to me was the actual live display front panel showing machine vitals. Someone in comments mentioned that it's e-ink. Very interesting.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

    Companion Cube 😍

    The only thing the old Steam Machines were missing a decade ago was good Linux compatibility via Proton, but now we've got that! I have literally never been more excited for a new "console." Goodbye, Steam Deck.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Goodbye to Steam Deck for this? Both, both is good.

    I'm buying this not just for TV play, but hopefully also streaming to SD as a performance upgrade (without handing a ton of money annually to GeForce for laggy inputs), as someone who hasn't had a desktop to do that in a long while. At that point, Steam Deck is a GabeCube accessory turning it into a Switch.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    That sounds like the perfect setup! If the Steam Deck were smaller, that's exactly what I'd do too.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    After finally getting a pay raise and trying Switch 2, the size is pretty subjective. I appreciate SD's bigger size giving not only a better controller grip, but also actually good speakers.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    It's totally a personal preference thing, but the Deck really deserves the love it's gotten. The screen and speakers are amazing, which is rare for handhelds. I have high hopes for the AYN Thor as an eventual successor to my 3DS.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Ah, I should keep an eye on that. I love Steam Deck but the 3DS is the best console I've ever had, and was hoping some replacements would be available in 20 years when it breaks and used are hard to find.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I, for one, can't wait for the limited edition companion cube edition to get released exactly 30 days after I have my steam machine delivered.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I won't be able to afford the Steam Machine at launch, but it will probably be a long time before I can easily get one anyway. Pretty sure I'm going to be jumping ship from traditional consoles to Valve with the way the industry is going. They've really impressed me with the Steam Deck.

    I wonder if I'll be able to drag and drop the game and save files for my non-Steam games from the Steam Deck to the Steam Machine and have them just work? That would be nice!

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  • [+] 8 points 1 year ago (6 children)
  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    An extra 8gb wouldn't have killed the profit margins.

    I see you haven't checked ram prices lately...

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    [–] 9 points 11 months ago

    This is the weirdest looking humidifier I have ever seen.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This will no doubt be good for linux pc gaming. On the steamdeck Valve contributed greatly to the opensource proton project.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I sort of gave up on upgrading my under TV Steam machine so this actually looks like a nice way back in.

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