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[–] 25 points 1 year ago (21 children)

I'm conflicted on this one. It seems to be framed as hateful against Middle-eastsrn religions in particular, but doesn't it restrict ALL religious symbols? I'm all for less religion in public places, regardless of the religion.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The giant cross on the top of Mount Royal is a religious symbol too so they should remove it asap.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (14 children)
  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (13 children)

    This image released in September 2013 by a minority PQ government shows a proposal for types of religious clothing allowed and not allowed for public workers under Quebec's proposed 'charter of values.' (The Associated Press/Quebec government)

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    If you have additional information that contradicts it, I'd happy to see it. I don't live in Quebec, and only know what I know.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    I don't, and i don't live in canada, nor i care about the politics too much, that's why i'm here to see what's up, and i find taking an 2013 image from the government proposal at the time and without context is a bit disingenuous.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    I took it from a news article from last week, which suggests pretty strongly that that proposal is exactly what was implemented, and they never produced an updated graphic.

    But again, I'd welcome a genuine correction.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Just underneath that picture it says it was not implemented.

    In 2013, a minority PQ government proposed the notorious "charter of Quebec values," aiming to ban religious symbols for public servants, but it went nowhere after the PQ lost the 2014 election.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    The bill is still being debated in the supreme court. A timeline with more details and updates can be found here: https://ccla.org/major-cases-and-reports/bill-21/

    That said, the Quebec government has been pretty fucking hostile to people who wear religious symbols. The original article frames it as residual tensions from the French Catholic chuch but a big part of it is definitely xenophobia and racism. Montreal and Quebec City are progressive havens in a land of very small, very white, very religious towns.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Again, i don't really care, i'm providing context you purposely left out.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's Quebec. they love to pick and choose their hate. yes it's specifically targeted towards Muslims, no they wont' remove Christian symbols, yes Quebec has always been pithy like this.

    Remember back in the 90s when they wanted to ditch us but keep the money? this is just more pithy Quebecois bullshit.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    How's this going to fly for indigenous symbols?

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  • [+] 6 points 1 year ago* (4 children)
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It is very interesting to see the pendulum swing. I do find the title misleading as the article appears to only apply to wearing religious symbols and it only applying to new employees as already employed are exempt.

    It also doesn't seem to differentiate between public, private or subsidized daycares. Lots of open air in this article.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Can I ask what pendulum? Because Quebec has been doing this for decades.

    Quebec Soccer Federation rever... https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-soccer-federation-reverses-turban-ban-1.1319350

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago*

    I'm an anti-theist and believe religion does untold damage to society. In my perfect world I'm completely for the removal of all religion iconography in publicly funded institutions. This includes clothing, jewellery, and gaudy John 3:16 t-shirts.

    If it's private, do whatever you want. If you want a grotesque image of your dead god on a cross hanging on your wall, you do you. I just don't want to pay for that out of my tax dollars.

    That said, I understand people wear a bunch of stupid shit for their gods, and that is a freedom of expression that should be protected. If someone wears a magic cross, bulletproof underwear of protection, or has to hide their hair because their god hates hairdos, then whatever. That in itself probably isn't going to hang black people, start an ethnic genocide, or fly planes into buildings.

    As long as these religious kooks don't spout their hateful superstitious bullshit to the kids, I'm fine with it.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I couldn't care less about any organized religion and IMO they all do more harm than good; however, being Quebec, this is 100% a poke to flame hatred towards Muslims.... entirely hypocritical

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    Religion is social cancer, and religiously indoctrinating children should count as abuse

    It should be illegal for children to practice religion, let them grow into adults, and then they can make their own decisions.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Invisibilising women will only create more hatred and discension. This is not how what you want will work.

    And nobodies is practicing religion into a CPE it goes against law already

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Cool, then if it isn't allowed to be practiced in schools, then there's no problem with this, it's just a continuation of existing policy.

    There is no world where children being religiously indoctrinated creates LESS hatred and division.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    The problem is not practicing, the problem is some faith ask their people to clothe in a certain way.

    Invisibilising this people will not bring what the government search

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  • [+] -17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)
  • [–] [S] 12 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Don’t speak ill of the people, shit on the gouv all you want.

    Quebec is not a hateful place but as other places in the Canada hawful people fan the flame for political gain.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Other than Manitoba, it's the most racist and intolerant province I've lived in.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Never heard this one. Care to explain on it ?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Well now you've heard it. That's your explanation - don't play dumb, it's not becoming.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    Hate is growing in Quebec and Canada is general due to conservatives and ultranationalists(PQ) anti imigration stand and the propaganda of islamists are trying to impose Sharia law and change our culture as if culture never involved before and influence other cultures. A 1600 canadian is different culturally than a 2020 canadian

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I'm Canadian, pro-immigration, and yet I don't believe religious symbols belong in a child's daycare or school, regardless of the religion. I agree with this move.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    What worry me is those kind of things.

    Protesters face off in Montreal over controversial presentation for land sale in Israel, West Bank

    Why I didn't hear him criticize this

    I don't think telling what sign a person use is something the state need to be involved in . I'm not that serious about this but maybe Paul can remove st aka saint from his name

    He also complained about a lapresse article talking about the increase of anti immigrant sentiment where more Quebecor think immigration contribute the increase of criminality

    He also believe in the Initiative du siècle which is the same rhetoric of the grand replacement as both promote the extreme fear of demographic changes

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