unlawful actions
Uhhh... those are called crimes.
I'm sorry, were ICE agents just entirely above the law before this ruling???
unlawful actions
Uhhh... those are called crimes.
I'm sorry, were ICE agents just entirely above the law before this ruling???
Because police officers have qualified immunity.
This ruling only means something if SCOTUS upholds the arrest and conviction. It's an improvement, don't get me wrong, but I'm not holding my breath.
This ruling is important because it finally brings to the floor that it is not at a valid presumption that local cops cannot enforce the law on federal agents. In the last year, the narrative that "herpaderp supremacy clause means states and cities can't do anything to enforce law on someone claiming to be a fed" has so normalized a totally unproven and unsupported extension of the supremacy clause that it's become hard to even bring this up in municipal conversations.
Qualified immunity does not and never has protected anyone in law enforcement from arrest or prosecution for committing a crime. It protects law enforcement personnel from being sued over damages they cause during the course of their duties, provided that the execution of said duties did not violate anyone's constitutional rights.
Reminder: Federal judges can deputize as many citizens as they need to enforce a ruling and there are about 80k well trained, freshly fired park rangers that may want to assist with that.
Cool. Let's start seeing some arrests of these motherfuckers.
If the cops perform the job as is typical, they'll just yell "he's got a gun" and shoot them.
Court rules laws exists.
Trump administration expected to appeal the decision.
they said "can" not "will"
Start collecting evidence
This should have never been a debate.
This needed a fucking ruling?!
Arrest ICE. They regularly use false or no plates on their vehicles - it would be a slam-dunk case, since the police can just read the plates to see if they are real. Once arrested, the masks go off and the criminal histories will be open for all to see. In this fashion, Blue States can delegitimize federal traffickers, and further prosecute the Trump Regime in the courts of public opinion and state law.
“no one who wears the badge of public safety should be able to abuse their power or break the law.”
Lololol
I’m sure the racist pigs will get right on arresting the racist pigs
Turf wars are a thing with law enforcement agencies.
Not even just agencies. I used to live in a small town whose PD was in a feud with the PD of the next town over. It was hilarious (in a sad way) how they would keep busting each other for DUI in each other's towns.
Honestly, government agencies holding each other accountable by jealously guarding their own powers and independence to operate is how a government of checks and balances SHOULD operate.
It's when those proverbial small town cops start teaming up and refusing to hold each other accountable that the public needs to start worrying. For the US, that point is about 25-30 years ago though.
After getting pepper sprayed by the ice gestapo they just might lol
We need militias to conduct citizen's arrests on these anti-constitution traitors.
The day a non-right-wing judge or politician orders the arrest of a right-wing federal agent or paramilitary is the day everyone learns the left has no law enforcement power.
There is a good reason the Canadian Liberals used financial instruments when dealing with the convoy protests and didn't just order the RCMP or police to stert arresting people.
Bruh the police literally did show up in the end and it was a whole fuckin’ thing. It was livestreamed even, you can find video of it. Now, there was a problem with absolute fucking moron leading the Ottawa Police at the time but he was removed shortly afterward.
I’m not saying we gotta start trusting police, but they’ll take most any excuse to go handcuff someone and exert power. They’re kinky like that.
Now do cops
Cops are already held liable for crimes.
You realize this is the exception in the US, not the rule, right?
Well, if a cop didn't have qualified immunity, then the assault and kidnapping required to effectuate an arrest would make arrests impossible. I mean, an arrest is an assault. Cops physically restran the person with handcuffs. It is a kidnapping because cops are taking taking the arrestee against their will.
The issue isn't qualified immunity in general, it's the courts unwillingness to actually enforce its disqualification when there is clear evidence, even evidence cited in other trials in some cases.
The problem isn't the concept of qualified immunity, it's the implementation and application.
Could, but very unlikely they actually will.
Not many cops are going to go around arresting ICE agents for such things I don't imagine.
This is likely part of why they prioritize hiding their faces and other identifying information. Watch them struggling to arrest someone and they will let go of someone just to pull their masks back up. They are breaking a lot of laws, but if a court can't identify them, they can't be charged. Secret police above the law are a key part of a dictatorship.
I doubt any police are going to risk arresting them in the field anyway. Even if they could make the arrest without it dangerously escalating, Pam Bondi would gleefully call it treason or insurrection, and bring in an army.
They can't breathe with those masks. They would be so happy if we removed them for them.
You would probably get beaten or tortured, and then charged with assaulting a federal officer. That's one to 20 years in federal prison.
Also threats against law enforcement, such as making terroristic threats or harassment, especially if it endangers the agent or their family. Potentialy harassment, conspiracy if someone identifies the officer, and obstruction of justice.
Basically dictatorship consequences.
Cops are explicitly motivated to keep other cops out of jail simply because it could happen to them too.
What does it mean for cops to arrest paramilitary?
It sounds like it will be many contests: who can shout louder and bring more guns to bear? Who gets confused first, who gets shot first?
It's a bunch of barely trained cops who can hardly handle policing armed citizens and now they're gonna handle ICE? They'll need to be careful and deliberate.
Anybody in a mask that is unidentifiable as law enforcement comes at i will defend myself.
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