The decision issued October 7 by U.S. District Judge Jeffrey I. Cummings extends court oversight of the agency until February 2, 2026, and warns that officers who disregard the order could face contempt or criminal referral.

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[–] 170 points 1 year ago (15 children)

unlawful actions

Uhhh... those are called crimes.

I'm sorry, were ICE agents just entirely above the law before this ruling???

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  • [–] 92 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Still are.

    Sure, the ruling says they CAN be arrested for doing illegal things. But are they going to be? Cop sees ICE beating down a brown person. Is the cop going to run over and arrest them?

    Or will they assist ICE?

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Depends on the city, and their leadership. Some cities have already directed their police specifically not to assist ICE. Not a huge jump from there to "treat them like a regular civilian".

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    Probably not.

    Most cops, like most humans, don't particularly want to die.

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    They said, comfortably at their keyboard in the A/C, via a device ostensibly constructed due to authoritarian regimes forcing brutal conditions on their workers.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    Many cities were doing this from the beginning. Whenever you read the term “sanctuary cities” it was really just a promise not to help.

    Local police are not allowed to assist federal agencies enforce their policies unless it is a crime locally. You can even argue this prevents turf wars and conflicts of authority. States rights y’all

    Local prisons are not allowed to detain people that have not been legally convicted of something that is a crime locally. You can argue this protects state resources being exploited by unfunded federal mandates. States rights y’all

    But no, it’s a YUGE jump to actively interfere, even if it is to enforce laws against federal agents.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm sorry, were ICE agents just entirely above the law before this ruling???

    Police, by default, are thanks to Qualified Immunity. It takes a judge and a shit ton of evidence to waive that inherent protection. Even for situations where the officers were violating constitutional and statutory rights, and even someone with a severe mental handicap would know clearly that those actions were illegal.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago*

    No, technically they’re not. Cops could always be arrested for unlawful actions. And “qualified immunity” includes the word “qualified”.

    This is Just like the the literal/figurative debacle: for some reason people are good with redefining a word as it’s opposite. literal now means figurative. “Qualified” now means “complete”

    This is a start because it declares federal agents are the same, but as long as qualified immunity means complete immunity it’s only limited help in restoring law

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Uhhh… those are called crimes.

    Sort of. In most places, they will be the same, but in legal terms for law enforcement, "unlawful" really means that it isn't permitted by the law. The action might not be criminal, as in there is a law forbidding it. Again, in most places that means the actions are illegal, because of laws that criminalize the violation of a person's civil rights, but that's not always the case.

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  • [+] 65 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Because police officers have qualified immunity.

    This ruling only means something if SCOTUS upholds the arrest and conviction. It's an improvement, don't get me wrong, but I'm not holding my breath.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    This ruling is important because it finally brings to the floor that it is not at a valid presumption that local cops cannot enforce the law on federal agents. In the last year, the narrative that "herpaderp supremacy clause means states and cities can't do anything to enforce law on someone claiming to be a fed" has so normalized a totally unproven and unsupported extension of the supremacy clause that it's become hard to even bring this up in municipal conversations.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Qualified immunity does not and never has protected anyone in law enforcement from arrest or prosecution for committing a crime. It protects law enforcement personnel from being sued over damages they cause during the course of their duties, provided that the execution of said duties did not violate anyone's constitutional rights.

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Reminder: Federal judges can deputize as many citizens as they need to enforce a ruling and there are about 80k well trained, freshly fired park rangers that may want to assist with that.

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Cool. Let's start seeing some arrests of these motherfuckers.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This should have never been a debate.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    Citizen arrests are going to get messy.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This needed a fucking ruling?!

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    Arrest ICE. They regularly use false or no plates on their vehicles - it would be a slam-dunk case, since the police can just read the plates to see if they are real. Once arrested, the masks go off and the criminal histories will be open for all to see. In this fashion, Blue States can delegitimize federal traffickers, and further prosecute the Trump Regime in the courts of public opinion and state law.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    “no one who wears the badge of public safety should be able to abuse their power or break the law.”

    Lololol

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    Well I'd certainly hope so.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I’m sure the racist pigs will get right on arresting the racist pigs

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Turf wars are a thing with law enforcement agencies.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Not even just agencies. I used to live in a small town whose PD was in a feud with the PD of the next town over. It was hilarious (in a sad way) how they would keep busting each other for DUI in each other's towns.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Honestly, government agencies holding each other accountable by jealously guarding their own powers and independence to operate is how a government of checks and balances SHOULD operate.

    It's when those proverbial small town cops start teaming up and refusing to hold each other accountable that the public needs to start worrying. For the US, that point is about 25-30 years ago though.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    We need militias to conduct citizen's arrests on these anti-constitution traitors.

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    The day a non-right-wing judge or politician orders the arrest of a right-wing federal agent or paramilitary is the day everyone learns the left has no law enforcement power.

    There is a good reason the Canadian Liberals used financial instruments when dealing with the convoy protests and didn't just order the RCMP or police to stert arresting people.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Bruh the police literally did show up in the end and it was a whole fuckin’ thing. It was livestreamed even, you can find video of it. Now, there was a problem with absolute fucking moron leading the Ottawa Police at the time but he was removed shortly afterward.

    I’m not saying we gotta start trusting police, but they’ll take most any excuse to go handcuff someone and exert power. They’re kinky like that.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    You realize this is the exception in the US, not the rule, right?

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  • [–] [S] -3 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Well, if a cop didn't have qualified immunity, then the assault and kidnapping required to effectuate an arrest would make arrests impossible. I mean, an arrest is an assault. Cops physically restran the person with handcuffs. It is a kidnapping because cops are taking taking the arrestee against their will.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    ICE agents deserve it.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Could, but very unlikely they actually will.

    Not many cops are going to go around arresting ICE agents for such things I don't imagine.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    This is likely part of why they prioritize hiding their faces and other identifying information. Watch them struggling to arrest someone and they will let go of someone just to pull their masks back up. They are breaking a lot of laws, but if a court can't identify them, they can't be charged. Secret police above the law are a key part of a dictatorship.

    I doubt any police are going to risk arresting them in the field anyway. Even if they could make the arrest without it dangerously escalating, Pam Bondi would gleefully call it treason or insurrection, and bring in an army.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They can't breathe with those masks. They would be so happy if we removed them for them.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You would probably get beaten or tortured, and then charged with assaulting a federal officer. That's one to 20 years in federal prison.

    Also threats against law enforcement, such as making terroristic threats or harassment, especially if it endangers the agent or their family. Potentialy harassment, conspiracy if someone identifies the officer, and obstruction of justice.

    Basically dictatorship consequences.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    What does it mean for cops to arrest paramilitary?

    It sounds like it will be many contests: who can shout louder and bring more guns to bear? Who gets confused first, who gets shot first?

    It's a bunch of barely trained cops who can hardly handle policing armed citizens and now they're gonna handle ICE? They'll need to be careful and deliberate.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Trump is gonna be pissed if he ever understands this.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Anybody in a mask that is unidentifiable as law enforcement comes at i will defend myself.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Whatever..no one was sent to jail for Kent State murders.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago*

    You got me, I'm a Russian-Chinese-Iranian-North Korean propaganda troll trying to destroy the currently thriving US democracy.

    PS: I'm not sure which boot exactly you're licking here, but don't forget to give it a lick on your way out before it gets lonely.

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    [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    We've investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong!

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