Another round of terminations, combined with previous layoffs and departures, has reduced the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention workforce by about 3,000 people since January.

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[–] 74 points 1 year ago

I have a friend working there. At least she was until 4 AM Saturday. But surprise, she's working there again as of Sunday. Pure chaos!

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  • [+] 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Gutting it again. Trump killed the pandemic response team in his first term.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    The first time he pulled any funding the US had for foreign pandemic prevention because Republicans don't see the point of spending money on another person. Just a year and a half before COVID started actually. Because they know better than anyone else that infections unlike illegal aliens respect international boarders and an endemic in Asia can never become a global pandemic that reaches American shores. That's obviously antifa propaganda.

    /S incase it wasn't obvious enough

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Yeah. Because just not looking for new diseases erupting is such a great idea. I hope Europe and China are doing their due diligence, and hopefully we don't have the next big disease kick off in the USA.

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  • [–] 60 points 1 year ago (24 children)

    Fucking imbecile MAGA ghouls, all of this because of contention over well-established, well-researches, well-supported results from inoculation campaigns, and the ideology surrounding medical treatment for the trans community. A lot of people are going to get sick in the U.S. (I know, I know, they already are but Measles outbreaks are set to increase in scale and scope), and this is going to get really, really fucking bad. Expect for people that you know to start dying from diseases that were killing members of your grandparent's generation. See image of U.S. states affected by Measles outbreaks in 2025:

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (20 children)

    Expect for people that you know to start dying from diseases

    Eh, I've decided people need to learn the hard way. Meanwhile, I'll be getting my government-sponsored shots & boosters for free here in the south. Good luck with everything, neighbors!

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    Our youngest had some form of measles before she could get the MMR vaccine. Wildest part was taking her to the hospital and no one knowing wtf to do. The doctors all basically shrugged and said good luck. She seems fine now 3 years later, but her immune system seems wildly fucked up. Like totally fine to some sicknesses and horrible responses to others.

    Edit: I mean this in a, "It's Illegal to say what I want to do to you" way. If you don't get the MMR vaccine when you could've, you are directly responsible for my child's suffering. I want you to feel that suffering.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/measles/measles-does-long-term-damage-immune-system-studies-show

    Clinicians and epidemiologists have long known that measles infection increases childhood morbidity and mortality for as long as 5 years after illness, and measles in the pre-vaccination era was likely associated with at least half of all childhood deaths from infectious diseases.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Our youngest had some form of measles before she could get the MMR vaccine.

    She got is from someone, and there is a good chance this person was unvaccinated...

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  • I'm glad that someone said this, it's often lost in the conversation about communicable diseases. Vaccination doesn't guarantee that you won't catch, suffer from, or transmit an illness. The jabs aren't Superman essence, it's just that in my understanding, you're more likely to be affected in a way more akin to getting hit by a bicycle than a MAC truck (you're hurt but not hopelessly crippled or killed outright), and less likely to pass it along. To what degree, I couldn't say, but it's less which is good by me.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I've decided people need to learn the hard way

    Bold of you to assume people will learn. Didn't you hear about that couple whose kids died from measles and they said afterwards that they still feel their decision to not vaccinate the kid was right.

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  • Some don't learn, even after getting lessons the hard way. Others forget very quickly. Someone posted this scanned news clipping from the early 20th century in light of similar 'anti-masking' during the COVID pandemic. It's always the same types of bullheaded dolts, and they're not the only ones falling victim to their imbecile behaviour.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Except that vaccines partially work because of herd immunity. My kid is and was vaccinated against whooping cough, but enough fucktards here in Texas refuse vaccines that it is spreading and he caught it despite being vaccinated. He was ultimately fine because he was 14 with a good immune system, but pertussis can be fatal for some patients, especially those too young to get vaccinated.

    You don't sound like your smart enough to understand this explanation, but at least I tried.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago* (9 children)

    I have a degree in pharmacology and biochemistry. Back off.

    vaccines partially work because of herd immunity

    Yeah? I bet you're an expert.

    your smart

    The irony.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    They shouldn't have made a personal attack like that, but they're not wrong. Herd immunity is needed. Individual vaccination, while helpful, isn't fool proof. Especially for highly infectious diseases like measles.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    Idk, my advisor, a PhD in immunology, argued that the evidence for herd immunity in vaccine effectiveness was a bit shaky. I think I'm gonna listen to her rather than a random commenter with a personal agenda to Prove Me Wrong like that commenter.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If you actually studied this science, then you should have learned not to listen to any one person's opinion. There is no shortage of Nobel laureates saying stupid things for which they know nothing about.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I'm not sure what you mean by 'personal agenda.' I'm legitimately trying to have a productive conversation so please don't take anything said as a personal affront. We're just trying to express the importance of herd immunity as it stands from expert consensus on the subject.

    If you have any studies on herd immunity not being as important, I would love to read through them.

    I understand why you trust your advisor. I'm lucky enough to be friends with someone who was a professor of infectious disease, has a PhD in virology and created a vaccine. They are my go to for anything on the subject matter. Again, anything you can share on the topic is greatly appreciated.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Non scholarly https://abcnews.go.com/Health/measles-breakthrough-cases-vaccination-important/story?id=120276354

    scholarly https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9413104/

    Given 97% efficacy of measles vaccine, how do you explain many countries have had measles elimination for so long?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I don't think you were following the thread closely. I'm not arguing against the efficacy of vaccines. There's exactly one sentence about herd immunity in your second link, and even then I'm only sharing the opinion of someone I know.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Next pandemic is gonna be lit.

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    This looks like a silent invasion 70s script.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Friend of mine working on big shit there got furloughed then fully fired as of Friday from the CDC.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    If anyone at the CDC is reading this: destroy the smallpox sample before trump decides to use it.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Make miasma theory great again.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Apparently MAGA has innate super-immunity and doesn't have any need for the CDC or vaccines.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Fascists believe that only the strongest should survive and everyone else must die. So if you get sick and die it proves you were inherently inferior and didn't deserve to live. Eugenicism and the abuse of evolutionary theory are rife among the far right. And they all assume that they themselves are the Übermenschen whose genetic superiority will protect them from disease, so they have no need for government protection, unlike their inferiors. They'll believe this right up until they're in intensive care with bird flu, whereupon they'll start panicking and changing their minds, just like Republicans did under COVID. But this message won't get through to their peers because their peers too don't care about it until they themselves are in trouble. Unless they're wealthy, in which case they'll buy themselves the care they're denying to others, and consider this very fact proof that they are superior and deserve to live.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    But this message won’t get through to their peers because their peers too don’t care about it until they themselves are in trouble.

    This is a fundamental aspect of conservatism. Just look at MTG suddenly standing up for ACA subsidies now that her adult children's premiums will be doubling. She literally said so herself.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    You ask why? I think the ideological side of Maga understands, on some basic level, the challenges of ecological overshoot. They heard about degrowth and are trying the psychopath version of getting populations down.

    Short of an all out war, disease is the next best way to shave some numbers off our 8.2 billion. Remember the US CDC also studies every nightmare bacteria and virus, including gain of function. Now we have a bunch of unemployed and unemployable virologists whose degrees just became useless. I wonder if anyone might steal from their employer and have a 12 Monkeys kind of time.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    So like kids can’t get measles vaccines? I had to. Measles mumps and rubella and chicken pox. Trumps want to pick and choose which one we get so we take one vaccine at a time?

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    [–] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    People just want to remember the hard way why all these programs were put in place originally, lol

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    I tell ya it's bizarre to watch as an outsider. We keep seeing the US set fire to some of its best achievements and institutional instruments to 'reduce government spending', but like everything being cut saves lives and money, for the government.. often with third party reports or studies backing those claims.

    Oh the IRS returns $6 for every dollar they're funded, and for the high income investigators it goes up to like $30? Slash their budget and fire all of the high income investigators.

    Oh every dollar we spend on USAID nets us massive geopolitical returns it's hard to even quantify, but it's on the order of 10:1? Shutter the entire department!

    CDC? More like DEI! Slash it. I can't even remember the last time we had a major infectious disease.

    Its so far beyond the traditional Republican funding cuts its shocking. MAGA is intentional sabotage and the most ironic name for a movement ever.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That picture makes RFK Jr. look halfway to becoming Vigo the Carpathian.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Christian death cult. Fucking religious lunatics

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    [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Here's my prediction: when the next global pandemic happen, the rest of the world will close their borders to American travelers to quarantine the country that refuses to deal with pandemics.

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