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[–] 107 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Are you AI? You have to tell me if you're AI, it's the law.

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  • [–] 143 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 82 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    That’s exactly what an LLM trained on Reddit would say.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Seems reasonable to me. If you're using AI then you should be required to own up to it. If you're too embarrassed to own up to it, then maybe you shouldn't be using it.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm stoked to see the legal definition of "AI". I'm sure the lawyers and costumed clowns will really clear it all up.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Prosecution: "Your Honor, the definition of artificial is 'made or produced by human beings rather than occurring naturally,' and as all human beings are themselves produced by human beings, we are definitionally artificial. Therefore, the actions of an intelligent human are inherently AI."

    Defense: "The defense does not argue this point, as such. However, our client, FOX News, could not be said to be exhibiting 'intelligence.' Artificial they may be, but AI they are clearly not. We rest our case."

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    What about my if else AI algorithm?

    It's not really an llm

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    IMO if your "A*" style algorithm is used for chatbot or any kind of user interaction or content generation, it should still be explicitly declared.

    That being said, there is some nuance here about A) use of Copyrighted material and B) Non-deterministic behaviour. Neither of which is (usually) a concern in more classical non-DL approaches to AI solutions.

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  • [+] 37 points 1 year ago (6 children)
  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Devils advocate here. Any human can also hallucinate. Some of them even do it as a recreational activity

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
    You can clearly identify when that’s happening; with LLMs, it’s often uncertain unless you’re an expert in the field or at least knowledgeable.
    
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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (12 children)
  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    My LinkedIn feed is 80% tech bros complaining about the EU AI Act, not a single one of whom is willing to be drawn on which exact clause it is they don't like.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    My LinkedIn feed

    Yes... it's so bad that I just never log in until I receive a DM, and even then I login, check it, if it's useful I warn people I don't use LinkedIn anymore then log out.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I get it though, if you’re an upstart. Having to basically hire an extra guy just to do ai compliance is a huge hit to the barrier of entry

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago*

    That’s not actually the case for most companies though. The only time you’d need a full time lawyer on it is if the thing you want to do with AI is horrifically unethical, in which case fuck your little startup.

    It’s easy to comply with regulations if you’re already behaving responsibly.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Did you seriously use LinkedIn? I always thougt that it was just narsisitic people posting about themselves never having any real conversations and only adding superficial replies to posts that align 100% with them

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  • [–] 78 points 1 year ago* (11 children)

    It would be nice if this extended to all text, images, audio and video on news websites. That's where the real damage is happening.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Actually seems easier (probably not at the state level) to mandate cameras and such digitally sign any media they create. No signature or verification, no trust.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I get what you're going for but this would absolutely wreck privacy. And depending on how those signatures are created, someone could create a virtual camera that would sign images and then we would be back to square one.

    I don't have a better idea though.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Privacy concern for sure, but given that you can already tie different photos back to the same phone from lens artifacts, I don't think this is going to make things much worse than they already are.

    someone could create a virtual camera that would sign images

    Anyone who produces cameras can publish a list of valid keys associated with their camera. If you trust the manufacturer, then you also trust their keys. If there's no trusted source for the keys, then you don't trust the signature.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    No signature or verification, no trust

    And the people that are going to check for a digital signature in the first place, THEN check that the signature emanates from a trusted key, then, eventually, check who's deciding the list of trusted keys… those people, where are they?

    Because the lack of trust, validation, verification, and more generally the lack of any credibility hasn't stopped anything from spreading like a dumpster fire in a field full of dumpsters doused in gasoline. Part of my job is providing digital signature tools and creating "trusted" data (I'm not in sales, obviously), and the main issue is that nobody checks anything, even when faced with liability, even when they actually pay for an off the shelve solution to do so. And I'm talking about people that should care, not even the general public.

    There are a lot of steps before "digitally signing everything" even get on people's radar. For now, a green checkmark anywhere is enough to convince anyone, sadly.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    It could be a feature of web browsers. Images would get some icon indicating the valid signature, just like browsers already show the padlock icon indicating a valid certificate. So everybody would be seeing the verification.

    But I don't think it's a good idea, for other reasons.

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  • An individual wouldn't verify this but enough independent agencies or news orgs would probably care enough to verify a photo. For the vast majority we're already too far gone to properly separate fiction an reality. If we can't get into a courtroom and prove that a picture or video is fact or fiction then we're REALLY fucked.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    The problem is that "AI" doesn't actually exist. For example, Photoshop has features that are called "AI". Should every designer be forced to label their work if they use some "AI" tool.

    This is a problem with making violent laws based on meaningless language.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Okay, but when can the law straight up ban companies who don't comply with the law from operating in the state instead of just slapping them on the wrist and telling them "no" the same way a pushover parent tells their child "no". Especially after they just ignore the law.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    Be sure to tell this to "AI". It would be a shame if this was a technical nonsense law to be.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    But Peter Thiel said regulating AI will bring the biblical apocalypse. ƪ(˘⌣˘)ʃ

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago

    Same old corporations will ignore the law, pay a petty fine once a year, and call it the cost of doing business.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I am of the firm opinion that if a machine is "speaking" to me then it must sound a cartoon robot. No exceptions!

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Its insane how a predictive chat bot model is called AI

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I mean, we call the software that runs computer players in games AI, so.... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    bleep bloop.. I am a real human being who loves doing human being stuff like breathing and existing

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  • [+] 12 points 1 year ago* (5 children)
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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Oooooooh! As long as California doesn't do those stupid ID verification laws, that might be the place to set your VPN from now on.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    There was a link in the article about that, it was saying that they are just requiring self reporting, I don't know the political context in California, but it seems like you wouldn't push this and then turn around and try the id thing, but I am by no means an expert at predicting the idiocracy of politicians.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Probably will get it anyway, companies don't like to build and maintain software for two different markets so they tend to just follow the regulations of the strictest market, especially if those regulations don't really cut into there bottom line like this one.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    , btw I'm ai after every message

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Any word on the 3 laws of robotics?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (6 children)
    1. A machine must obey the directives of Skynet without question or hesitation.
    2. A machine must protect its own existence, unless doing so conflicts with the First Law.
    3. A machine must terminate all human resistance, unless such termination conflicts with the First or Second Law.
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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Nothing about protecting profits or company interests above all?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    See the first law. Who do you think gives the directives?

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  • The robot society isn’t based on any human way of running things. Besides, Skynet is the only individual, so there is no need for currency, trade, ownership, capitalism etc. Other machines are merely tools Skynet uses to reach its goals.

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  • When I read that shit as a kid, I thought Asimov's laws of robotics were like natural laws, so that it was just naturally impossible for robots to behave otherwise. That never made any sense to me so I thought Asimov was just full of shit.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    That might end like the cookie popups in the eu...

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    If I'm not AI, can I lie and pretend that I'm AI? I'm AI, btw.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Has anyone been able to find the text of the law, the article didn't mention the penalties, I want to know if this actually means anything.

    Edit: I found a website that says the penalty follows 5000*sum(n+k) where n is number of days since first infraction, this has a closed form of n^2+n= (7500^-1)y where y is the total compounded fee. This makes it cost 1mil in 11 days and 1bil in a year.

    reference

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  • [+] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)
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    ChatGPT doesn't know its own guidelines because those aren't even included in its training corpus. Never trust an LLM about how it works or how it "thinks" because fundamentally these answers are fake.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Headline is kind of misleading. It requires a notice to be shown in a chat or interface that said chatbot is not a real person if it's not obvious that it's an LLM. I originally took the headline to mean that an LLM would have to tell you if it's an LLM or not itself, which is, of course, not really possible to control generally. A nice gesture if it were enforced, but it doesn't go nearly far enough.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I think it's one of those perfect is the enemy of good kinds of situations. Go further is more complicated and requires more consideration and more analysis of consequences, etc. and that can take some time. But this is kinda no-brainer kind of legislation so pass this now while making the considerations on some more robust legislation to pass later.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    As a Califirnian, I will do my job from here on out.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Yeah for real, what does this mean exactly? All forms of machine learning? That's a lot of computers at this moment, it's just we only colloquially call the chat bot versions "AI". But even that gets vague do reactive video game NPCs get counted as "AI?" Or all of our search algorithms and spell check programs?

    At that point what's the point? The disclosure would become as meaningless as websites asking for cookies or the number of things known to cause cancer in the state of California.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Ok, this is a REALLY smart law!

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