Rueben Antonio Cruz was sitting with a friend in Rogers Park when ICE agents pulled up onto the street.

The immigration officers stopped their truck and went straight after them on Oct. 9, Cruz told the Tribune.

“They asked us if we have papers. I said I do but I don’t have them on me,” Cruz, a 60-year old man with heart problems originally from El Salvador, recalled in Spanish.

The agents stood Cruz up, put him in their truck, drove around in circles, and asked questions, he said.

all 68 comments

sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] 354 points 1 year ago* (18 children)

Ahh I see we are officially transitioning into the "papers, please" stage of fascism already. Buckle up folks, the road only gets rougher from here on out. The witch hunts don't stop here.

  • source
  • hideshow 18 child comments
  • [–] 87 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Papers please American DLC when?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 9 child comments
  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I think the IRL version just dropped

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 6 child comments
  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Region locked on the US (for now :/)

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Don't some European countries have mandatory ID laws?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Having mandatory ID isn't not the same as having to carry them everywhere and surrender it to a random masked guy.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    No, it just allows you to be easily identified by the masked people when they start asking! The slippery slope of handing your liberties away. Look at the pride you have in your own. It always starts somewhere but it ends the same. The people fighting for power right now are not interested in regional control

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, we had them forever.

    For me, the only practical consequence has been that when I forgot my driving licence at home, I could show my ID and the cop at the traffic stop could check my licence status.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    i see you’re not black, a minority, or visibly poor….
    i’ve been fighting “papers please” for a while….
    it’s definitely much worse now though

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I certainly might not be those things, or I might not be American either. Hard to say for sure, it's fun to speculate though isn't it?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    To be fair I believe it is a legal requirement for non citizens to carry their papers on them. https://international.northeastern.edu/ogs/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2025/03/DRAFTv5-FAQStatusDocs-3.24.25.pdf

    This is not condoning the behavior of any of this b.s. that has been going on. But just trying to share information.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 95 points 1 year ago

    And if he had his papers, they would have said they were fake, confiscated them, and hassled him anyway:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/24/us-citizen-detained-ice-real-id

  • source
  • Gee, why is no one going to the US?

  • source
  • [–] 146 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    Under federal law, registered foreign nationals must carry proof of registration with them at all times. But prior to a second Trump administration, it was rarely enforced.

    Apparently green-card holders have to carry their green cards around all the time. This law was so rarely enforced that I never knew about it despite having been a green-card holder myself.

  • source
  • hideshow 16 child comments
  • [+] 136 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    Right, it should be perfectly fine to answer “Papiere bitte” with “fuck off”. Until they know you’re someone who is required to carry their paperwork, they shouldn’t be able to require it

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    My friend got her green card about 20 years ago, and she said they made it very clear she needed to carry it at all times.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Because no one forgets, ever. And even if they don't, what prevents a bad actor from stealing it?

    All my youth, it was stressed to always carry my ID and social security card. Them it was "in two separate places," and then, "leave ss card home."

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I saw that. Why hasn't that been changed under any administration? Is it something we need to address?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think that having unenforced laws is in general a bad thing because then the government can use selective enforcement as a tool of oppression, so you won't find me objecting to a repeal. Maybe it'll happen if there's ever a major backlash against Trump's immigration policies.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • Doesnt that mean they can arrest everyone at the beach for nothing other than them not having their paperwork in the water with them. Throw them in the back of a truck and then if they so happened to be a green card fine them.

    The whole thing seems sketchy.
    "Why are you arresting/ticketing me?" "Because there is no way you have papers in that Speedo"

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    My wife used to be a green card holder it was made clear to her when she got it that she needed to always carry it. Not defending the gestapo's actions, but the dude should not have left the card at home.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    I gotta point out that in Canada at least, unless you're driving you don't need to carry any ID. You could be a freshly landed immigrant and you don't really need to carry anything. Unless you're driving, buying alcohol / weed or need to register for something. Its wild to me that "not having your papers" while just going about your day in the world is not resulting in major protests. Just wild.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Now that's some 1939 Gestapo crap if I've ever seen it.

  • source
  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago

    Glory to Arstotzka, I guess.

  • source
  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago*

    From the article:

    “I feel sad because, even though we were born here, that doesn’t matter any more,” the cousin said. She added: “To have our skin color has, apparently, become a crime. And it has become a crime deserving of this type of treatment – as if we were real criminals.”

    😶

  • source
  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago

    ICE = act on sight

    run hide fight

  • source
  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago
    [–] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They could have driven him to his house so he could retrieve those papers or have someone bring them out for him. Boom, crisis averted. It's not hard to not be a time-wasting asshole, but they seem to excel at it.

  • source
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    So, if you're a legal immigrant and get "randomly" asked for your paperwork, you have to produce it on the spot or face a fine?

    What if you're a legal immigrant and just say you were born here? No native born citizen carries around their passport

    Or can they also fine native born white Americans for their birth certificate and fine them if they don't have it? But we just don't hear about it because they don't bother "randomly" checking white people?

  • source
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I hope he gets rich from suing them.

  • source
  • hideshow 8 child comments
  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Papers please lol

  • source
  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    That will be a fun law suit

  • source
  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    May I zee your papers please.

  • source
  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago
    [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Not defending the actions of these agents, but I'm so glad he only got a fine and not deported.

    Btw, there are many enforced laws just like the requirement to carry greencard, for example, "legal weed" is a misnomer, weed is still federally illegal, so if you are a non-citizen or know someone who is a non-citizen, please know that: do not using weed or posessing weed until either (A) you get citizenship (remember: you aren't officially a citizen until the oath ceremony and get the papers), OR (B) decides to abandon the US forever.

    This has been the law even before current political shenanigans.

    They could potentially retroactively revoke citizenship if they found out about your weed usage/possession before you got citizenship.

    If you are a citizen, the first thing you wanna say when you get detained/arrested/workplace-raid is tell them you're a citizen immediately, tell them your name and identifying info, A photo of your papers can help too.

    The outcome all depends on whether you get the "standard" assholes who only mildly harass you, or get very unlucky and get the the MAGA assholes.

  • source
  • [+] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I mean, sad as it is, fines are an improvement over just straight kidnapping people regardless of citizenship.

    The bar is in hell.

  • source
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Nothing new. Wife is green card holder and they were clear it must always be with her when we got it almost 10 years ago

  • source
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    this is litterally that one scene from the phineas and ferb movie (the 1st one) where this robot asks for papers or else death

  • source
  • 28 comments in c/news@lemmy.world view that post
    [–] 138 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    And if he had his papers, they would have said they were fake, confiscated them, and hassled him anyway:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/24/us-citizen-detained-ice-real-id

  • source
  • hideshow 17 child comments
  • [–] 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)

    Which is why we have the 4th amendment.

    Edit: dumpster fire beyond this point. I am employing a zero tolerance blocking policy for non-sequitur doomer bullshit. It doesn't create a conversation, it just capitulates to fascism. I've got no room for you in my online spaces.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 16 child comments
  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Oh cute, you think The Constitution still matters to those in power

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 9 child comments
  • [+] -4 points 1 year ago (9 children)
  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I think it's pretty clear that many in power don't believe the constitution applies to them. That's not doomerism, because my answer isn't "therefore we must give up."

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    But if we surrender in advance things will be better for us…🤪

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Who the fuck said anything about surrendering anything?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    My bad. This thread has me feeling like I'm taking crazy pills.

    Sick of the insane amount of doomer bullshit o Lemmy.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Totally. I was just steaming over three other threads with the top comment being typical Lemmy doomer BS.

    I understand why it didn’t come across as a “yes, and” comment. I just find little to no value to commenting/replying to trolls where my reply probably would have made more immediate sense. I’d rather talk to you…

  • source
  • parent
  • load more comments (-1 replies)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The 4th has been nullified by the Supreme Court. Look up the case Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem v. Vasquez Perdomo.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [+] -2 points 1 year ago* (3 children)
  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Laws only work if they are upheld. Burying your head in the sand and pretending like this shit isn't happening won't fix it.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • load more comments (-1 replies)
  • load more comments (-1 replies)
  • [–] 57 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago

    It makes me sick to think about how these people who slip through and talk to the press are just the tip of the iceberg. How many people have just disappeared without a trace? Are they in concentration camps, labor camps, death camps? I don't know if we'll ever have a complete picture of what's happening, but what we already know is heartbreaking. Fuck this.

  • source
  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    “In Soviet Russia…”

    Pitiful

  • source
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    When you were young in the USA, how many times did they hammer home the message "America is the land of the free. You will never be asked to show your papers here. Thats the difference between us and them." ? Clearly not the "greatness" the GOP has in mind.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    May I zee your papers please.

  • source
  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Trumps gestapo doing a great job at violating so many citizens rights.

  • source
  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago*

    ICE is just going for their Glory to Arstotzka achievement.

  • source