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[–] 41 points 1 year ago (1 child)

Is it really about explaining why they're not more successful? Personally being "burnt out" was more of a realization that I don't even want that kind of success, I just want to get as far away from the way my life was in highschool as possible.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

    Oh I made it, I make more than a lot of my peers in highschool, not all of them, but I make a good wage. But I fucking hate the dev industry man. I was unemployed for 3 months and I got so much done. Agile methodology sucks the soul out of me, I don't have anything left for my personal projects. It's micromanagement incarnate. Oh you had two bad dev cycles in a row? Guess it's time for a PIP. Oh you had to step away for an errand a few times this dev cycle? Let's not make it a habit, even though all your work is done. Oh you have mutiple 2 hour meetings to attend and we still label you as having full capacity meaning you have to figure out how to do 8 days of dev work in almost half that time. I'm so fucking tired of it.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    It's also full of boot lickers. Had people on my team that were like "oh I'll just work this weekend to make the deadline" and I'm like why. They made the deadline even though we told them it was too aggressive. You don't get paid more for hitting it or for putting more hours in. Stop enabling them and devaluing labor.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Ugh god don't get me started on that, it's literally ingrained in the work cutlure that getting the work done is more important than following the labor laws. I have gotten in trouble for not attending """optional"" meetings out of work hours.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    they have no value in their lives other than work. tons of people out this in many industries.

    they have no hobbies, no passions, and their friendships are typically shallow competitions of materialism and titles.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    One of the guys I used to work with that was like that seems to have other hobbies. He likes riding his bike and learning guitar, playing video games, traveling Europe. But he'll also just work though a weekend or on his vacation. I don't get it.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Bro... As someone who felt this and is happier making less... Consider state govt tech roles.

    You'll have more relevant experience than your peers, there's no 'cycle' to speak of...

    Not even my team, got quoted like 200K on a Drupal upgrade.

    I was like "guys I have upgraded about 400 Drupal sites exactly like this it takes 3 hours max."

    Hero.

    That team keeps asking me questions and my boss is protective of it. "Email him and schedule time, stop wasting my teams time." Essentially letting me fuck off.

    Yeah I make less. But I have enough time to literally take on anything. Started self hosting, exercising, building a small business...

    Dev industry blows so hard.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Yeah I actually have friends who work for my city, I told them to let me know if positions open up, but the other issue is that city jobs are so good that no one leaves lol. I'm looking to switch to sys admin work because I have a background in that, I'm hoping to get my base level cert in that this year.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    My gifted program (late 90s) literally consisted of:

    • playing Oregon Trail
    • playing Carmen Sandiego
    • making a puzzle
    • making and presenting an invention ~
    • drawing pretty designs with a compass without knowing the actual math behind it ~
    • making a didgeridoo and a rain stick

    ~ these classes were literally in a closet which was a part time “gifted” room.

    What I wished they’d taught:

    • how to study
    • how to manage your time
    • how and why to set goals for yourself
    • how to start new habits
    • how to be persistent
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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I went to 15+ schools before I graduated highschool, and depending on where I was I was either put into "gifted and talented", the "extended learning program", "fast path", or "Accelerated Track". Every place had a different philosophy of how to deal with kids who already knew how to read and do math.

    Sometimes I would end up in a class with a bunch of quiet bookworms who wore church clothes every day and other times I would be surrounded by rambunctious and highly enthusiastic nerds.

    Usually we would play computer games or play games designed to make us engage socially, but sometimes we would actually study interesting stuff in a deep way.

    Every one of these programs seems to be a totally improvised and locally unique program. Nothing from the words they used for things to the books, brands, or activities seemed to have any consistency. Since I usually moved in the middle of the school year I would often see multiple versions of each grade's program.

    It made me really glad I didn't grow up in a small town. Those people are getting screwed.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Dang, THAT was the entirety of your school's genius program? I assume your school was not in an affluent area.

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  • [–] 66 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    ...yeah jocks getting life-changing injuries in their school years is actually pretty comparable to "gifted kids" getting traumatized by this shithole version of America

    not funny ha-ha so much as what the fuck is wrong with americans, why are they like this to their kids

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Not exclusive to the US. I’m Canadian and I found high school awful and traumatizing.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    That's too bad dude. Our highschool wasn't perfect but we had a lot of teachers that cared. And it was an art highschool so we had 3 separate full time art teachers that covered different disciplines. It was awesome fr a person that liked art

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I had teachers that cared a lot. It was everything else that I hated. The other students, the schedule, the mountains of rote work.

    High school had this nasty vibe that made my skin crawl all the time I was there. I didn’t want to go to class anymore. I stopped going and eventually dropped out.

    Decades later I finished high school through online courses and then went to university and got my degree. Wish I’d taken that option earlier.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    That's how my wife experienced school also, I think she started faking illness and then she quit around grade 10, later in life went to college and was an A student.

    Single path seems unhelpful for many people

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  • [–] 76 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I was gifted enough to eventually figure out I was a dumb ass.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Not to cope with this but for me it was more that I was smart enough as a kid to coast through school without putting in any effort, not paying attention in class, not taking notes, not revising and often not even doing homework and just getting good marks on exams from knowing things already or just applying some logic to the questions and because the school system only cares about getting as many kids as possible a passing grade, the school didn't care and just left people like me to our own devices and focused all the resources on the kids that were failing. Then when I got to A levels/ uni, where things suddenly got way more difficult, I just hadn't developed and of the skills to actually learn stuff like that and I floundered (and I'm sure having ADHD didn't help).

    So for me at least it was less about burnout and more about my "natural smarts" only taking me so far and the school system failing me (and me also failing myself)

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Yes, this is so it for me too. It wasn’t until high school that I was like, “But why am I failing when I didn’t before?!” And a teacher was like, “Umm, well did you study?” And my first thought was, “Why would I have to do that?”

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Meh...

    I was successful in science/engineering for about 25 years before I burned out. I did make it, I'm just tired.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago*

    I'm in this picture and I don't like it. 23 years school then 7 years running a research lab and writing a couple NSF proposals that got accepted. I was happy to cash out, drop clearance, and take an industry job for WTF 2X the money after one year?! No regrets, even if my dissertation is now buried forever. I'm a sellout and I'm totally cool with it. I can do cool shit with my kids now.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    What do you mean I can't get by with the bare minimum effort anymore? That's all I really learned! That was my real gift!

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, my "gift" was undiagnosed ADHD which has made life absolutely miserable to navigate once I left the extremely structured environment of school.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    Be burned out is more like trying to run a life long marathon at 125%, it works find in the start but at some point the body needs to recover.

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  • [+] 15 points 1 year ago* (1 child)
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    [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    There's a lot of comments in here addressing the social skill reduction, as if those kids in gifted programs (hello, fellow former gifted kids) didn't still socialize with their peers in just about every other aspect.

    Even the kids in 'charter school programs' here were just separated from a group of 400 to a group of 50 or so kids for half or so of the day and then the rest of the stuff they attended classes with the other 350 kids. Even if they were completely separated off, they still have peers (admittedly, also 'gifted' peers).

    Ignoring that portion, and you've still got the fact that you MUST challenge a child while developing. If I didn't get put in the 'gifted' track, I'd have goofed off even more and paid even less attention. NONE of my peers had their parents doing their homework (like some commentera have put), we just finally had homework we couldn't do on our own on the bus ride home. If you don't challenge a child's mind, they can't grow. And people who think every kid learns at the same pace, and that learning slower than the pace your brain can handle has no negative side effects, have no idea what they're talking about and should look into child development as a focus of psychology and come back to this comment thread.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    most of the comments here are just self-victimization in the form of 'could have been'.

    which is precisely the premise of the OG post. People are just pouring their delusions into this being like 'no but that doesn't apply to me!! i truly was gifted and special!!'

    I don't know... hard for me to understand any of this. I was not a gifted kid. I was smart and hard working. Most 'gifted' people I have met are just... lazy jerks who refuse to grow up and take responsibility for their choices... but LOVE to go on and on about how everything is their parents/teachers fault and how their perfectly decent life would have been so much 'better' and they'd be the next Bill Gates/Zuckerberg/Musk if some math teacher had been less mean to them as a pre teen.

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  • [–] 46 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    In my case the "gift" was undiagnosed neurodivergence and that seems to be the case for a lot of people.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    "wow this kid is really smart, though curiously only when it comes to science stuff they find interesting.. And how strange, they don't seem to have any friends and they barely talk to other kids, in fact they seem much more comfortable talking to adults.. Oh well, i'm sure that's normal"

    "Oh my god where did all these autism diagnoses come from all of a sudden? It must be something in the water!"

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Obviously yeah, my injury is addiction. Any further questions

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    No doubt. No doubt in my mind... I bet I could do a book report right over them mountains!

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    FACT: Before he was Uncle Rico, he was Lazlo Hollyfeld, one of the smartest men alive.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    I wasn't told I was gifted, though I was told I was "Smart but undisciplined/lazy" by my dad all the time. Who seemed more angry that I was undisciplined than proud that I was smart.

    Turns out I am just autistic. And while I'm smart about random but highly specific things I had (and arguably still have) no attention or patience for stuff outside my hyper fixations.

    Also I interview terribly. Every job search has taken ages, but once I get a job I always end up making my bosses very happy with my performance.

    I have a fairly middle of the road job for where I live miraculously but that's probably because the lady who hired me was very pregnant and on her way out to maternity leave and wanted to be done looking for a new admin assistant. I'm definitely underemployed though.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Ouch that's a lot of damage.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    THANK YOU. You were over-praised by well intentioned but misguided educators.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Either you are called lazy for being chill despite knowing how much potential you could show to please yourself and others, or you could be pushing yourself to burnout and despair to please yourself and others.

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    [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I never burned out. I developed hobbies and found I enjoyed more physical work.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Its nice to have a narrative for yourself.

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