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[–] 25 points 1 year ago (1 child)

And he means it.

He's just declared war on the American people, and told everybody that, in military jargon, there will be boots on the ground.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    But Trump is the enemy within

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  • Why is every fucking site reporting on this paywalled or accountwalled?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    So when do they do that and a Military Coup happens? Then Pete could be "President" or something....

    I don't know. I'm tired boss, I'm tired.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Наша драгоценная кукла

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    [–] 136 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    It is blatantly unconstitutional and impeachable

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  • [–] 64 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Assuming we have elections next year, and further assuming Democrats don’t pooch it, impeachment is all but certain (if they don’t screw that up too)

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago

    Impeachment is pointless if you can't get enough votes to convict. To do that without republican votes would require the democrats to win literally every senate race. Not going to happen, no matter how much the republicans deserve to lose.

    Slightly less unlikely would be for a huge wave election to give a large majority to democrats and for a handful of republicans to be willing to vote with the dems because they start seeing the trump administration as a political liability. Still insanely unlikely, just not as unlikely as a clean sweep in the midterms.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    There are no laws, we made the whole thing up. There is no constitution, we made the whole thing up. There are no human rights, we made the whole thing up. There are no citizens, we made the whole thing up. My suggestion for the new military oath.

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    [–] 106 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If I had to come up with the most un-American thing (as in American self-image) anyone could say, this is probably it.

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  • [–] 61 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    The world could really use American creativity, industrialism, and prosperity right now, instead we're just going to punch ourselves in the dick for 4 years.

    I'm sorry my country is so stupid.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    4 years, I'm betting on 12. It may not be Trump in charge in 2029, but it will be whom the executive branch chooses because they now have direct control over the FCC, and all Campaign money. They can "legally" nudge out any support for candidates they don't want running.

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    [–] 79 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    So, the department of war is deploying troops to our cities where we live.

    Is there, like, a word for when armed men from tge department of war go to a place to kill people?

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Trump, in my opinion, knows that Trump would lose any war other than against his own civilians.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    We are surprisingly fat and stupid as a whole, you could probably kill a lot of people by hanging fried meat over a cliff or spreading new viral trends like eating lead and huffing exhaust fumes.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    Eeeh. First, "mad tyrant" is a bit of a stretch. The crown was, by the standards of the time, much more lax with the colonies than other territories. More of a "late onset bipolar disorder constitutional monarch acting under advisement of qualified ministers". Breaking away to try "not monarchy" and implement much of what we now consider modern government was by no means wrong, but it's not quite the clear cut battle against evil the founding narrative describes.

    Second, that was 250 years ago. Just about the only lingering effect is the slogan which has some inspirational qualities.

    The bigger thing is that the military hasn't fought against a technological equal in decades, and has never fought an asymmetrical war against a technological equal. If the opponent is close to technological parity, they use overwhelming force to remove that parity, and then fight from there. They can't do that against the US, because they need those resources as well. Additionally, most of our defensive strategy relies on it being impossible to attack us in a reasonable way. The only force that can get here has to be small and sneaky. In a civil war situation, a significant number of military facilities are basically inside cities. They have defenses, but not the way they do in an overseas base. And being in cities, a significant number of pretty important sites are inside the areas that are currently being designated as hostile.
    All the people doing the boring logistics and paperwork that drives most of the US military have to commute through the dangerous areas. Most of their families live nearby.

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  • [–] [S] 36 points 1 year ago

    Why does it look and sound like a Fox News host cosplaying as War Secr... Oh wait

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    But Trump is the enemy within

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Does anyone remember when Texas mobilized its national guard because of the conspiracy theory that Obama would deploy troops against US cities? So Texas is going to mobilize because Trump announced his threat. Right? Right?

    https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/05/02/403865824/texas-governor-deploys-state-guard-to-stave-off-obama-takeover

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago

    Wait. Isn't the current administration the enemy within? Do you think anyone in that room interpreted the message that way?

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Fucking treason against the Republic. He is the enemy of the State.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Enemy of the nation, sure. Enemy of the country, the people, sure sure. But as the uncontested leader of the State, he just declared it's enemies to be the politically disloyal. People like you and me.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    He also just declared any of those generals his enemies, if they choose to honor their vow to the Constitution, over him. That makes him the enemy of the very institutions they swore an oath to protect.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    The core belief behind Fascism: Palengenetic Ultra-nationalism — the belief that society was once great, but that greatness has waned because of the enemy within. For the Nazis, it was the Jew. For the US, it is the immigrant and the LGBT.

    Of course its all a lie. For the Nazis, it was WW1 and the Weimar Republic. For the US, it is the rich and powerful (starting with Regan). Make no mistake. Fascism is here now. We even have the camps and secret police. Just wait for them to start utilizing Zyklon B.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    C'mon military, do a coup. Get rid of this administration for us.

    /pipedream

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Okay. But about all the

    Child rape...

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago

    “I’ve never walked into a room so silent before,” said Trump, who also suggested that officers were free to ignore his comments. “If you don’t like what I’m saying, you can leave the room, of course, there goes your rank, there goes your future,” he jested.

    HAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!

    Fire.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    He also spent 20 minutes rambling about aluminum battleships and shit.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    He could help with that whole enemy within thing by killing himself in a way that maximizes collateral damage among his cabinet. Like if he just spontaneously combusted during one of those ass-kissing meetings of his. One can only hope.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Trump hates Americans.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    He also announced a purge of military leadership.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    What's he going to do, tell them to shoot him?

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  • Love to be a fly on the wall to hear what these generals said privately. How many will be fired vs how many will actively support Orange Hitler’s BS.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I miss when life was boring.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Two stupid larpers trying to tell soldiers how to be better.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Non stealth battleships what a future grift!

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I mean I know trumps things are always like this but every time it seems https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOJSM46nWwo&list=RDSOJSM46nWwo&start_radio=1

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    The Shadow Demons?

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    And every officer in that room is apparently okay with it.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago

    I wouldn't assume that yet. They still haven't been given the illegal orders yet. We'll see what happens when Trump orders the military (not the National Guard, the actual Army) into Chicago and New York.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    “I’ve never walked into a room so silent before,” said Trump, who also suggested that officers were free to ignore his comments. “If you don’t like what I’m saying, you can leave the room, of course, there goes your rank, there goes your future,” he jested.

    Showing token opposition now accomplishes nothing. They could slightly diminish the fascist photo op, but at the price of losing their opportunity to do something later when it actually matters.

    That they all seem to be less than thrilled about the situation is a good sign. That said, I'm not going to hold my breath for any of them to disobey orders or arrest the president. At most, I would expect them to only do the bare minimum to be able to say they followed orders, with perhaps a little bit of malicious compliance where possible. Unfortunately, most of them will probably just pass the illegal orders down the chain of command with a brief reminder to the troops that they also need to obey the law while carrying out those orders.

    But if there are people in that room who want to resist, it probably wasn't a great idea to drag them back from all over the world and put them in one place where they can potentially meet up and discuss things offline. Given the situation, I wouldn't be shocked if some of them wanted to make sure that others were on the same page and maybe discuss some hypotheticals.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    But if there are people in that room who want to resist, it probably wasn't a great idea to drag them back from all over the world and put them in one place where they can potentially meet up and discuss things offline. Given the situation, I wouldn't be shocked if some of them wanted to make sure that others were on the same page and maybe discuss some hypotheticals.

    Discuss offline, and exchange details for secure long-distance communication. I don't know how many military types will be into PGP, but hey, Signal is whiskeyleaks-approved and actually works great when you don't drunkenly add random journalists

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    Either that or they know that a walk out is hilariously less effective than sitting there and taking it, and then beginning to plan a coup after they speech is over.

    In military tactics, telegraphing your next move to your enemy is generally inadvisable.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I dunno how familiar you are with the US military recruitment and training process, but they are very much selected for and drilled specifically to follow orders without question. I wouldn't advise getting your hopes up that there's going to be some sudden mass resistance within the military against fascist orders. It's not impossible, but very unlikely.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I think it's more likely that they don't follow orders simply because they recognize how fucking stupid their leadership is. They have been drilled to follow orders but they are also some of the most competent strategic minds there are. The buffoonery of Trump and Hegseth probably makes them feel like they are far above these fools, just simply because it's clear that their bosses are absolute morons. Further, they have to also be keenly aware that Hegseth has minimal actual military experience and Trump has none at all. Why would they follow orders from people they have no intellectual respect for and think are making grave tactical mistakes? They won't go on suicide missions just because an uneducated fuckwit told them to.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    My understanding was that officers are generally far more educated (and have even heard before that they tend to lean left?) compared to enlisted soldiers.

    And generals are the tippy top of that. I have a small amount of hope that the people there know better than to allow this to continue.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    They should fight the enemy within: Trump and his flunkies.

    That seems unlikely.

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