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[–] 112 points 1 year ago (27 children)

Bro, I'm so fucking close to removing Microsoft from my life

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  • [–] 57 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    Do it, just don't play the games that don't work on Linux. I switched 15 years ago and didn't look back. There are so many games at this point why bother with the ones that only work on Windows?

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The only game I actively played that didn't work on Linux was destiny 2, and switching to cachyOS has really helped me kick that toxic game out for good.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    For some reason it seems to me like toxic games are less likely to run on Linux compared to the average

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    It comes down to how much the publishers care about their own product. Devs shoveling third party kernel anti-cheat into their product often cause those games to be Linux incompatible. Devs bundling their own unnecessary launcher with the game and requiring it to run the launcher in order to run the game sometimes cause those games to be Linux incompatible. It often isn't even the devs themselves making this decision, which is why I blame the publisher more than the developers in most cases.

    But with how robust Proton has become these days there isn't a whole lot outside of those two cases that will make a game not run on Linux. It's pretty intentional at this point.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (8 children)

    The whole reason I have a computer is to game on it though! :P

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    Outside of a handful of multiplayer games pretty much any game will work under proton, new or old. Stalker 2 worked out the box on release day, early awkward 3D games like Gothic runs just fine, and your early point and click games will likely run just fine. Out of my 460 games*, only EA WRC doesn't work because they introduced kernel level anti cheat after release.

    *Edit: Just to clarify i haven't tested all my games, but I have played a good number of them. Also another game that doesn't run is Ground Control 2, but that doesn't work on Windows since about 7 or 10, so it doesn't count! ^^

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    This isn't really true. At least on the steam deck. Of the 156 games I have in my library, 52 of the are "great on deck". Id say twenty of the other ones work great anyways.

    I don't play multiplayer games, but the one I do have are in the works great category. The vast majority are single player games. (Just checked, i have 15 games that not compatible at all)

    Definitely double check your games before making the switch.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    I easily game +6 hours a day on Linux though. PoE 1-2, D2, modded d2, Cyberpunk, witcher3, ffxiv, Monster hunter world-ride-wilds, HotS (year the blizzard client works and with it all blizzard games without anticheat)... To name a few.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    i mostly quit videogames in order to do this. it's nice to think that maybe I'll get some more of them back

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  • I was ready to do that back when I switched, but still found games to play. Back then, Steam hadn't yet come to Linux (I didn't even have an account), so it was mostly random indies (back when Humble Bundle was baller) and some FOSS games. I played a bunch of Minecraft and Factorio as well. Then Steam came and brought a few more games, then Proton came and I've been back buying a ton of games.

    Switching to Linux is so much easier these days with the incredible game support.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I'm a few months into Linux Mint on my gaming PC and love it; 99% of my games work. The only one that doesn't so far is FiveM but that's because the devs appear to be very anti-linux unless you're hosting a server.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Is there a way to confirm which games in your library will work well on Linux for your specific hardware, gaming is the only thing keeping me on Windows for now, I'd be happy to get rid of windows if I could run most of my games on Linux and the rest maybe I can run on Wine or a virtual desktop

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Not for specific hardware but you can sign in to ProtonDB with your steam account and get an overview of your entire steam library. For online games there is areweanticheatyet.com, you will have to check games manually. AMD, Nvidia (9xx and newer) and Intel iGPUs (Skylake and newer) have roughly the same compatibility, performance differs usually favoring Windows on Nvidia.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I just checked my library on protondb, seems like most games in my libraries are platinum rated for compatibility and some are even native, there are a few mostly multiplayer games that are incompatible, but I hardly play multiplayer games so I think this means my next computer upgrade is gonna be Linux. I wonder if it's possible to use a Linux home server as a personal computer as well

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    I did it a few months ago, honestly after the initial learning it has been a great experience. That's including me having to fuck around with stuff because I chose to run extremely new graphics hardware, and that's kinda on me.

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  • [–] 46 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I didn't even know this setting existed lol. I always right clicked into the specific game's properties and selected the version of proton for that game.

    And I did it for each game.

    This is a welcome change haha. At least I know there was actually a setting for the rest of the library.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    Yes it's very good they now changed this, because if you manually select a proton version you also override the default. Steam actually knows which proton to use for almost every game if the global setting is just on.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Is there a good resource that lists all games known to require a specific version rather than being fine with the latest? I don't really have the patience to check each game these days, so a list to skim would be nice.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Ah, Good Guy Valve helping us prepare for October eh?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    I guess I'm out of the loop - what's in October?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Windows 10 is no longer getting updates. Forcing users to switch to 11 or run on an unsecured platform which could be vulnerable to future security flaws.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    And now Valve needs to figure out how to tell users which game works and which game doesn't work. Maybe some kind of badge for Proton?

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Integrating ProtonDB into the steam client would be a nice.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    On steam deck there's a decky add-on to do that

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    We need decky for desktop steam.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Can you not install it? There's really not much difference between a Steam Deck and a Linux desktop.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    You can, I've done it myself, but most plugins are geared to run in the Big Picture mode instead of the Desktop UI.

    For example, the SteamGridDB plugin only runs in Big Picture, and despite showing its menu option the desktop, clicking it gives you a broken window.
    Meanwhile, the CSS Loader plugin runs on both, and there some themes specifically geared to modify the desktop UI, like the lovely Metro for Steam skin recreation by Rose

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    In practice, there aren't really any differences. However I suspect that it's designed around the Deck interface and that there would be no easy way to invoke it.
    Although it's probably open source, or you might be able to bind whatever the Deck button sends to some key combination... I guess I'll have to look into it.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I tend to do my Steam shopping in the browser and I use the ProtonDB-Peek userscript. This gives a ProtonDB status badge in the right column under the review links.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    Apparently, this is a browser extension (well, a script for a browser extension), so it works when you browse the Steam catalog through your web browser, but not through their client. Or did I miss anything?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Correct, that's what I meant to imply in the first part of my comment. When I research new games I do that from a web browser and that's when I care about Proton status the most so this works great for that. It does not help when using the Steam client.

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  • [–] 77 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    The title is a bit click-baity.

    Steam had a setting where it would only run Proton on games on which it had been verified to work. Some people would inadvertently flip this setting off. Now the setting is gone, so they can't accidentally do this.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yes, exactly. I wonder how many new, non-technical users tried Proton for the first time with the setting off and decided it was crap because nothing worked. I’m glad Valve decided to do this now.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Do you mean the setting called "Enable Steam Play for all titles" that was usually unchecked, that you'd have to go in and check, which some folks wouldn't do (because they might not have known they were supposed to?)

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  • [+] 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    It was the other way around. The default was to run proton-enabled games, but not random titles, unless you enabled proton for everything via the toggle ("enable for all titles") which was off by default.

    Now it's on by default and the switch is gone, so it's can't inadvertently be switched off.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Wait. It wasn't fully supported until now? I never had any real problems that couldn't be solved by trying a different Proton version.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago* (11 children)

    So if I turn on the global setting, does it mean it will run native linux games with proton as well? I'm mostly playing rimworld and project zomboid, which have native Linux builds.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Probably so, there are a few native Linux builds on Steam that don't have feature parity or segregate multiplayer for silly reasons. (Total War: Warhammer III for example uses an entirely different method to generate random numbers in the native Linux build so you need to use proton to play with 'friends' on Windows)

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    It doesn't, as far as I could tell. I enabled the global option, and now I can just install and run windows only games without having to manually force the compatibility layer. Meanwhile, the Linux native games work just as intended.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Oh weird. I had an issue where I couldn’t play Dawn of War II with my brother on windows from my Mac. I solved it by using windows through boot camp, but that’s so lame.

    I wonder if it’s the same issue.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Why are people downvoting? You gave an edge case and an example of it in action... what is there to disagree with?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Probably because that's not the case, native Linux builds don't run the Windows version through proton, unless specifically told to. (As I discovered after asking the initial question)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    They didn't claim the windows version was run through proton by default. They said that some linux versions do not play well with cross-OS multiplayer, and thus the windows version must be run for said functionality.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    As someone who hasn’t yet migrated their gaming PC to linux, does this mean that third-party games imported into steam should work automatically? No flags or config adjustments?

    If so, will it choose specific Proton versions for known games or pick a default (latest, I presume) version for all of them?

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Right now, all you have to do is go to the settings of your non-steam game, go to compatibility, and choose a Proton version. I'm not sure if this change will automate it, but it's pretty much as easy as it can be already.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    If that’s really all there is to it at the moment, sounds great! The other obstacles are my nvidia graphics card, and HDR support…

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I've had good experiences with my Nvidia card on Aurora (same basis as e.g. Bazzite), but HDR is indeed still an issue.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    i feel like desktop nvidia cards are ok, laptop nvidia cards are a nightmare because of the weird igpu/dgpu shit under the hood

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    That's why I chose a laptop without iGPU, because only one GPU means less hassle.

    Guess what: the Nvidia drivers aren't setup for laptop dGPUs without iGPU. It's horrible, even worse than my last laptop with two GPUs.

    And the battery life is ridiculous.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Kinda late to the conversation but always follow the documentation for your distro, if you choose Debian find Debians guide to installing drivers, if you choose Arch follow Arch’s documentation and so on, Nvidia themselves supply .run files for Linux drivers however some distro’s don’t work with these so just be careful.

    I learned this the hard way when I used Nvidia’s .run files and wondered why games kept stuttering every couple seconds, learned this lesson pretty quick.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Just in time for my new nvme drive so I can fully segregate windows and Linux after that mf broke my install again

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Install Windows on a separate SATA drive so you can remove it later without repartitioning. Also it is easier to boot, just change boot drive on startup.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Yeah I currently have Linux and windows sharing my only nvme drive because I wanted to use the fastest drive for the OS but clearly it's causing issues. So I just bought a cheaper one that I will dedicate to windows, along with a sata SSD.

    Do you think I can get away with just wiping the partitioned drive and reinstalling both OS, keeping their data drives as is, since they are already each entirely dedicated to one OS ? Or should I do a full clean ?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago
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    As someone who will be switching to Mint very soon, I am so thrilled to hear this.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Hot like FIRE!

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Any solutions to replace something like Virtual Desktop to wirelessly VR a Quest 3, or any word on attempts to get Steam Link VR working on Linux? It's basically the final ligament holding onto the Windows dual-boot on my non-work PC. I've been waiting for the day I can purge Windows since using Warty in elementary school.

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