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[–] 42 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Why the heck are people buying these things in the first place?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    “I have money, please give me your most expensive/ best fridge” but in some cases the most expensive is not the best.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    If you're wealthy enough to waste a lot of money on a fridge you aren't buying one of these abominations. Its going to be a built in like sub-zero.

    I honestly believe these fridges are not being bought in large quantities and are part of the tech bubble.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    These are nowhere near the most expensive fridges. They are on the higher side of the average range.

    In my experience, the people buying these fridges are low income, low tech knowledge people that got approved for (likely too much) credit.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

    Family calendar, watch shit while cooking, read recipes.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    My phone had all of that, and I can place it in a convenient location to watch while I cook. My fridge is beside or behind me as I cook.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I don't give two fucks about your preferred form factor. I answered a question on why people like them. Go screech elsewhere that your preferred solution is different.

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  • [–] 85 points 1 year ago (51 children)

    Smart fridges don't even improve storing food.

    I won't buy a smart fridge until they can play Tetris with the food inside.

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  • [–] 67 points 1 year ago (45 children)

    We've seen how this goes: Eventually if you need a new fridge, you won't have a choice.

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    Smart tvs aren't as bad of a concept as smart fridges. A smart TV is better at being a TV than it otherwise would be, purely because it is smart. A fridge doesn't have that. There is no way that a fridge can be better at being a fridge by being smart.

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  • [–] 44 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    A smart TV is better at being a TV than it otherwise would be

    I think that depends on what you want from your TV. If you just want it to have a video input to stream stuff from somewhere else, smart TVs are typically worse because they take more time to boot up.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    There's also a longevity mismatch. The streaming device goes obsolete much faster than the display. At worst, you've got a bunch of buttons snd icons for dead services or "your device is no longer supported" tutning your home theatre into a dead mall.

    It's sort of like when they used to make low-end TVs with VCRs and DVD players built in. Nobody was doing that on top of the line sets because you wanted to keep it for 10 years, and the DVD player would give out much sooner.

    I think one brand tried to make a modular component to allow for smart upgrades, but without industry standards, it was a predestined dead end. Thry should have just out a slot in the cabinet sized to fit a Roku/Fire stick and let customers swap them every few years.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Smart TV is just a dumb TV with an OS. Just factory reset it, refuse to give it WiFi, and it’ll basically function like a dumb TV. The longer boot time only happens after it loses power, otherwise it’s in a sleep mode.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    It’s all about marketing. “This smart fridge uses quantum AI technology to do neural scans of the contents of your fridge, allowing it to adjust the temperature and humidity perfectly for your food, making it crisp and moist!”

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    That fridge competes with a dumb fridge from a budget brand that costs 200 to 300 bucks. You can even get self-defrosting ones at that price point.

    Unlike TVs, which need to display content, fridges can work just fine when they're just a heat pump, a thermostat, a light bulb, and an insulated box (and optionally also a fan and a heating element). The biggest technical difference between a cheap fridge today and one from the 50s is in materials and using an LED bulb.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I mean, smart fridge COULD be scanning its contents and adjusting the cooling intensity based on that. My dumb fridge always freezes vegetables because even when set to lowest setting the cooling is too much.

    But corpos would rathed stuff ads everywhere instead of making actually usefull upgrades.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (7 children)

    Lettuce is the only food that can be simultaneously crisp and moist

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    You keep moist onions in your refrigerator?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Sometimes I only need half an onion, and the rest goes in the fridge

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    But you still don't want to keep it moist

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You don't want onions to have that fresh juicy cronch?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    They could be in theory. But they are designed to bring a lot of terrible interface choices into the mix, so a basic screen where you just pick the input source and delegate the "smart" parts to something you control can end up being more comfortable.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I disagree. The one of the few smart thing i don't want in my house is a smart tv, because it's really just a subpar computer being build into a TV, and higher spec cost too much. I don't want to change a TV every 3 to 5 years because the computer part degraded and make using the TV impossible. I can use my PC for that.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    A true smart fridge would be great.

    An actual smart fridge would do things like scan everything you put in it, so you'd know that you had leftover lasagne from 4 days ago that was about to go bad. It would know its full contents, and where they were (like that you had some kimchi on the 4th shelf in the back), and when they were going to expire. And it would do it without you having to change how you used the fridge, like stopping to carefully scan everything you put in or took out. AFAIK some smart fridges do some of that, but not all.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The one smart feature I could see useful on a fridge would be for it to send me some sort of notification if the door is left open. Perhaps it could also send a notification if the temperature inside gets too warm (or too cold) - which assuming the door is shut would probably mean the fridge is broken.

    With that said, I'm perfectly happy with a dumb box that gets cold inside and has a simple electro-mechanical switch to turn the light on when the door is opened.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Unless there begins to exist a new business based around lobotomizing smart devices.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Manufacturers will add "security features", then sue the new lobotomizer business for tampering with DRM

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    And so the lobotomizers cite right-to-repair laws

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Nah, fridges are simple enough that I guarantee it's trivial to rip all the smart bits out and still have a functioning fridge. Or just buy and old one, my grandparents still have their fridge from like 1970s and it still works.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Sure it works, it also uses more electricity than the rest of the electrical devices in the house.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    We've figured out how to do fridges a long time ago, there's really not much to it: a well insulated box, radiators inside and outside, a pump, a metering device, and a thermostat. Sure, all components have been optimized a bit, but the power usage only went down by like half in the past 50 years, it's not as bad as you're describing.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I guarantee it’s trivial to rip all the smart bits out and still have a functioning fridge

    Unfortunately, it is not. The "smart bits" are doing the job of a control board in a dumb fridge. If the tablet shits the bed, you won't get cooling until you factory reset it and get the tablet working again.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I've never had a fridge with a control board, it's usually just a compressor connected via a two-connection control thingy which prevents it from starting too often, and a relay that's controlled by a thermostat. If they managed to replace that with a control board... Why?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Just about every fridge sold (meant for residential use, in the US) in (at least) the last 10 years has a control board in it. The only exceptions are the really cheap and small top-mount fridges, and even then it is only the ones with physical knobs that might not have a control board. Anything with buttons or a display has a control board. Many appliances with knobs also have control boards (sorry to everyone buying laundry based on "it has knobs, I trust it more").

    As for why - because they can. What are you gonna do, not own a fridge? Keep paying someone to fix an old one (or learn to fix it yourself)? Very few people will do that. Most people will bend over and pay.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Wow, fuck that. Thankfully fixing the electrics of an old fridge is really easy (as there are so few components and they are very simple); and I've never had issues with refrigerant leaking.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago* (12 children)

    Actually (put on fedora) a "smart" fridge is not necessarily bad.

    No what absolutely sucks is lock-in and enshittification.

    If you were to imagine a FLOSS OSHW fridge that used e.g. OpenFoodFacts and data from your purchases, e.g. OCRing your grocery list receipt or online purchases and genuinely helped with stock, recipes, diet, etc why not.

    The WHOLE point is control, it's not the technology.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Exactly, we don't need to ditch computers and smartphones and go "back to nature" like some people say. We need control.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Counterpoint - we do not need appliances capable of running operating systems with userlands. A pre-programmed microcontroler should be more than enough for most appliances

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    I hate that any new tech nowadays is caveated by this perversion of right to ownership.

    It's gotten to the point that I either actively seek older tech, or just go for even more expensive niche tech by small private tech players like Framework. But then my worry becomes, are these small private tech companies actually principled or are they just waiting on their exit strategy to be bought out?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Yeah. People hate "smart" stuff and IOT and i sometime do too, but owning a bit of automation tech makes me realise the shitty thing about these tech is we're being forced to use it for even the basic shit and in THEIR term, which mean they can brick your stuff if they want to.

    I have two aircond that comes with IOT that i can connect for extra feature, but that's entirely optional stuff, i can operate it like a normal aircond. We need stronger consumer protection and more personal control.

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    It’s come so far! It used to just be for tech nerds and privacy extremists. But it’s so easy to use now, everyone who wants to enjoy the IoT world again without losing personal control can do it!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    It's cooking absolutely but we need a whole class of contributors that only work with support and uiux that really enjoy helping people because there's always that one little thing that's vague in the docs and obvious to everyone else

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    “smart” stuff [...] these tech

    That's why picking the right tech matters. My heuristic is that if you need a proprietary app, it's NOT going to be on your term, hard pass.

    If you do need some connectivity, it's also probably bad.

    If you do not need connectivity and it's interoperable via standards then and only then maybe it can be good.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Theoretically, I suppose that you could reflash your fridge. It's unlikely that it's running a dedicated embedded system nowadays. It has to be either android or Linux (or maybe Windows if they're idiots, which is always a possibility).

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    you could reflash your fridge

    Well yes, but honestly that's swimming upstream. I always discourage reverse engineering or hacking unless you do it for learning and entertainment purposes. If you love the challenge it's amazing. If you want to use the tool they you are giving away money to corporations you do not trust and you put a lot of weight on your shoulders to maintain all that over time.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Draper's law: Any screen a company can control will eventually display ads.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Damn it, can't get to my verification cans!

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Drink verification can to access refrigerator.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    This reminds me. I need to call my uncle and ask him about that Fridge at his country place that's been running since 1994. He's selling his place and I want that fridge!

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Sadly, fridges are the one appliance that uses the most energy, it runs 24/7, so running an older model will cost you a lot in the long term. I have a 20 year old fridge that hasn't had a problem ever, save a broken glass shelf and a door basket, and I'm replacing it with a dumb one with the best energy rating. It's the same with cars, although it's getting harder to find "dumb" cars.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Old fridges don't cost that much. My uncle's fridge costs him 3 dollars a month to run in Quebec. Compare that to a new fridge. There's not that much of a difference. The whole "energy efficient" narrative is borderline bullshit when it comes to fridges.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    My fridge is about that old too. It's entirely possible that fridge will still be chugging along in 2050. Whereas a brand new Samsung fridge has about a zero chance of lasting until 2050.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Not zero, about the same as the survivorship bias of old appliances.

    And the electricity cost will be about 10 times lower.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    It wont be ten times lower. I promise. I've researched this. Old Fridges only cost a bit more to run. Factor in the cost of buying a new fridge you now have to buy every 5 to 10 years and you actually come out ahead. My uncle's fridge costs him 3 dollars a month to run. That's not that bad.

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