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[–] 202 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Gone nowhere have they? I can't imagine why.

These are the times that try men's souls. They are also the times that put the "Fuck You" in "Fuck You Money".

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  • [–] 138 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They can't bring him back because they don't want to piss of Tump.

    They can't keep him off air and not lose paying customers.

    There is no fixing this. They made their choice, now suffer the consequences.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    They can't bring him back because they don't want to piss of Tump.

    Everything else is inconsequential. This is the essence of the problem. We're not supposed to be living in a country where anyone should be afraid to make fun of or piss off the president. He's not a king and he's not an emperor. He is a replaceable employee of the government.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Fun fact: the countries to the north end east of the USA have a king, the countries to the south and west used to have a king and an emperor (respectively).

    You'll notice that none of them are overrun with tyrants.

    In fact, most of the English speaking world shares a king, and many, many countries have a royal family who have bumbled along happily for centuries.

    We think it's deeply weird when one world leader is doing his very best to piss off everyone except Russia, deliberately destabilising the environment, the global media, all the agreements that every other country is working together on, and his citizens are split between those who support him and those who keep saying 'this reminds me of how much I hate kings. No offense to the foundational identities of all our neighbours except Russia, but I can't imagine sinking so low as to tolerate a king'.

    Like, dude, watch your own kids before you bitch about everyone else's. How does someone train an entire nation so well that they express displeasure at the flagrant atrocities of their president and say 'fuck other countries and their shitty systems'.

    It's honestly like living next to someone who keeps playing their music too loud and throwing rubbish into your garden and every now and again he stands on your garden yelling about how much he hates your begonias. It wouldn't be so bad if it was a sensible criticism, or something political, but it's so random you waste a surprising amount of energy being offended on behalf of your begonias before realising, every time, that neither of you probably specifically care about the begonias. It's the shouting.

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  • [–] 95 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I never cared that much about Kimmel, but I deeply cared about the government silencing him through company coercion.

    I guess the C suite folks miscalculated people giving a shit about the First Amendment.

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  • [–] 86 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    don't believe a word of this

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I think they barely cared, and still don’t care. It barely constitutes a footnote.

    “A larger amount of subscribers will ‘churn’ this month and we have reason to believe most will be back to watch the next season of Andor.”

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I thought Andor had been wrapped up.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Damnit, was looking forward to torrenting season 3.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's already out, but they retitled it. It's called "Rogue One". Torrent to your heart's delight.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    The ending of Andor was so good that I haven't been able to watch another show. It followed through and paid off on every single thread with brilliant performances from everyone involved. It will be a generation before we get something so we'll made again.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Outcome predictions probably came from a room filled with bean counters at the behest of a soulless wraith in a suit saying that profits would be maximized because 51% of subscribers would continue buying Disney+. But now they're realizing that the blatant 1A violation profits were slightly below the 50% margin so they're all shitting their pants trying to fix the fuckup that came about because people aren't robots and MAGA cultists are less of their demographic than they'd anticipated.

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  • [+] 5 points 1 year ago* (3 children)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    A company that size makes predictions in terms of years and decades

    The company at large might, but I wouldn't underestimate the stupidity of smaller divisions having problems if a single decision saw immediate financial backlash. I don't think you're wrong, but I also think companies often do stupid shit.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I mean, I'm pretty sure that Disney makes at least a little money outside the USA. I'm willing to bet that there are at least 2 other countries whose subscribers won't all cancel their subscriptions because the American political shitshow has touched upon a person they've never heard of (source: I'm in an English speaking country where people have Disney+ and watch Disney films and as far as I know, virtually nobody has heard of this guy and virtually everybody has exhausted their supply of 'wtf is the USA doing, surely they can't get away with that' for the year).

    So unless you honestly think that the entire American user base is going to cancel - which seems wildly unlikely, given the political scene - AND that the number of Americans with subscriptions is at least equal to the number of subscribers outside the USA, then sorry bud, you aren't going to defeat fascism by pausing your Disney+ subscription for a few months.

    It's a great start, and I personally think it's healthy to ethically curate one's free time where possible, but when October rolls around and Disney is still solvent, don't throw up your hands and say you gave it your best shot but the fight is clearly hopeless. You guys have let your corporations run unchecked for decades, if you want them to suddenly find a moral compass you need to settle in for a long game.

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    [–] 73 points 1 year ago* (10 children)

    So they're gonna uncancel Kimmel, right? Or are they gonna fire even more of their own talent that has been speaking out against their fealty to fascists?

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  • [–] 64 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Didn't they try to but he refused to accept their terms by not apologizing? (I don't watch Kimmel but he earned my respect for that.)

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  • [–] 51 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Same, I don't dislike Kimmel but just never really watched him. Still cancelled Disney+ even though I have a kid that will be very angry not having Bluey on demand.

    It's us against them for at least the next ~3.5 years (hopefully not longer),

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Well personally I'd go the piracy route and get Stremio + Torrentio + Real-Debrid. That way the kid will stay happy and you'll sleep easy knowing that you're not giving Disney a single cent.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Kid can just move on to something else. There's plenty of content out there even without sailing the high seas

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    bluey is probably one of if not the best childrens TV ever written though, and it's not just about teaching kids lessons, it also teaches us parents a lot. i know plenty of parents who will watch bluey even by themselves.

    but its not a disney show and available other networks as well.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's worse they also demanded a donation to tpusa.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    If Kimmel were to donate to tpusa. he'd be helping sites like this which are created by turningpointusa and managed by it: https://www.professorwatchlist.org/ https://www.schoolboardwatchlist.org/

    turning point usa created and manages these sites.

    the teachers targeted by these sites face death threats everyday, women face threats of rape and torture for teaching progressive values in american schools.

    scroll to the bottom and you'll see its created by turning point usa,

    The aim of the sites(there are more) is to terrorize professors who refuse to teach far right ideology or who oppose it. This is borderline domestic terrorism.

    turning point usa is a hate group.

    They want Kimmel to knowingly endorse and financially support a hate group that fuels domestic terrorism and hatred.

    Its one thing to talk shit about people and say that you personally hate them, its another to create a harassment campaign listing their PII, the place where they work and more to potentially cause a Paul Pelosi situation to happen and get them fired for speaking the obvious.

    charlie is no saint, he crossed a line here.

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  • [–] 67 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Just a reminder: Freedom of speech is more important than a TV show.

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  • [–] 63 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Remember the end of the lion king when scar gets eaten by his army of hyenas?

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  • [–] 61 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Oh, I'm sure they expected backlash, but they had a choice between the public's wrath and trump's wrath, and like good little cowardly capitulators, they chose pleasing trump over standing up for their (and all of our) first amendment rights.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    What they still don't realize is they chose pleasing Trump FOR NOW. He will never be truly satisfied and will ask for more and more until he's finally dead. Nothing has ever been enough for him. And these dumbasses are playing right into it.

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  • [–] 301 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    Because despite popular belief, the left has never been good at cancel culture. That's always been a right-wing thing. And they are aware of that. So I'm sure they were shocked that the left could boycott in an effective way like the right has in the past.

    Just look at the Charlie Kirk aftermath. How many people lost their jobs because they showed the wrong emotion and posted about it? I haven't heard of a single person on the right fired for threatening retaliatory violence.

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  • [–] 225 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    How many jokes did I hear about Nancy Pelosi's husband?

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  • [–] 196 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    That's the thing that actively pisses me off the most. The right has been fucking monsters when it comes to their reactions to violence like that. Absolute, psychopathic, proudly hypocritical monsters, willing to joke about an elderly man being assaulted in his home because he happened to be the husband of a Democrat. And silence when asked about whether urging their sick followers to commit violence might be leading their sick followers to commit violence.

    And the murders that took place in Minnesota a few months ago? Jokes and silence there, too.

    But a late-night comedian says something that isn't even disrespectful or in any way condones violence, just acknowledges the kind of person Kirk was... and they lose their fucking minds.

    Always remember this, folks: It's all performative. They don't actually care. They know Kimmel didn't say a goddamn thing that could be interpreted as support for violence. They know.

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  • [–] 91 points 1 year ago*

    Time to tap the "Wilhoit's Law" sign again:

    Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I would so love to see some of them actually lose their fucking jobs for the death threats they made right after Kirk getting popped.

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  • [–] 46 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I live in a red state. I'm constantly surrounded by pro-slavery confederate flags, open threats of violence in the form of punisher and 2A bumper stickers, and then direct calls for violence against all of "the left".

    I've never considered calling their employers just to see which ones are okay with terroristic threats.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Live in a red town and also been seeing 3%’er and “shoot your local pedophile” window stickers a lot lately. The amount of murder fetishization over on that side of the aisle is sickening.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Can't deny this.

    I come from a family of MAGAts and when they're angry at something they make sure everyone knows it. They boycott aggressively, tell all their friends and family to do the same and they do not let up.

    My friends and fiancee are really, really bad about these things in comparison. I'm sure our canceled subscriptions will be back in 3-4 months.

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  • [–] 111 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    I will lose all respect for Kimmel and refuse to watch him if he accepts their proposal to make an apology and donation. Nothing he said warrants that. Plus unless he switches to constantly kissing Trump & MEGA asses, they will be trying to shut him down again in the near future. Unless Trump is gone, all US media will soon be propaganda only. Maybe he can get picked up in the UK or EU or Canada instead.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I read somewhere (unconfirmed but I’m hopeful) that Kimmel is suing Disney for $1 BILLION over this.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    You can ask for however much you want in a lawsuit. It's fiction.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The one consideration he should have is making sure his writers and crew have jobs. Jimmy himself will be fine, but that's not true of all of them.

    Which is why it's important that the WGA has put out a statement of support.

    If anyone is about to reply "it doesn't matter unless they're willing to strike", please go read up on how unions operate first. A strike is your big gun, and you don't bring it out on a whim.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago*

    Maybe he can get picked up in the UK or EU or Canada instead.

    Don't look to us to solve your self-inflicted problems for you.

    We're already too busy protecting ourselves from the chaos of the USA's implosion.

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  • [–] 51 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Scrambling To Fix It

    I'd hardly call their negotiation offers "fixing" it. "Scrambling" is accurate enough though.

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  • I doubt we'll hear about what the negotiations really are at first, it's likely all lawyers figuring out the scope and how large of a lawsuit it would be for the FCC to threaten to pull their license. Whether they think they can win based on the fact that the supreme court is corrupt or if they think the court will have to say it is a direct violation to keep up the guise the republic hasn't completely fallen yet.

    The threat was made, they made the quick decision of pulling the show for damage control, and it blew up in their face.... Maybe. It gave them a basis of who would or wouldn't stand up for the case, and how angry people would be.

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  • [–] 99 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Disney wants Kimmel to tone down his rhetoric, as well as provide an apology to Charlie Kirk's family and donate to his right-wing organization, Turning Point USA

    Ahahaha, fuck Disney!

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  • [–] 87 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Apparently they had a reconciliation meeting with Kimmel this week, asked him to do all this, and Jimmy's counteroffer was to give the same fuck-off speech he had planned to give anyway. This is how it should be done.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Seriously, people just need to have a backbone.

    Kimmel already has "fuck you" money and has proven he can write well enough to sit in any writers room in Hollywood. He can ride off into the sunset and fund some production company and do just fine and say whatever he wants.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago*

    People seem to forget that the "Cancel" wave of the '10s mostly gave birth to a bunch of big ticket comedy specials titled "Can't Shut Me Up" and "The Snowflake Melting Tour".

    Kimmel's only going to get louder for all of this.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago

    They didn't expect people cancelling? Oh boy then Disney has much bigger problems than this.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Oh, in that case we'll just keep paying the evil bastards!

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Seriously? Fucking how did they not expect this? These companies were already facing a festering hatred for the past several years, how on earth could they claim to be surprised? Come on, these executives are idiots, but they aren't stupid.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    All impacts were discussed. Disney did expect this.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    Or it was a knee-jerk response from the top that no one was willing to stick their neck out to check.

    Those guys throwing on a million in the pot at the beginning of the term, swore fealty. He might not even have consider the outcome before he demanded it. And the board shrugged.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Wow, if they really didn't anticipate a backlash, they are even more clueless than I thought.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, that alone seems like justification to fire anyone involved. They thought they'd just blatantly bow to regime censorship and no one would care? This didn't go through 5 levels of fretting about the blowback before deciding it was a lose-lose situation and just hoping they were making the right choice?

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  • [–] 104 points 1 year ago (4 children)
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    Fact check: the original vid this is from was about insomnia, not fascism

    But Hitchcock was a huge anti-fascist and made anti fascist films https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1994-04-26-ca-50581-story.html

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    We all know that he would be fine with this message, its one of the few times that I don't mind twisting the words of a dead man.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It’s the perfect storm to create that independent news group with John Oliver, Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert and company. All the misinformation starts at Murdoch and their agenda that’s been playing out for decades.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    That's a beautiful thought.

    I want a mount rushmore of Stewart, Oliver, Colbert, and Kimmel on screen while the theme song plays.

    Because of course there will be a theme song! And some sick patriotic graphics with little easter eggs for thinking people.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I cancelled my sub like 6 months ago because their programming has been like 90% terrible for a couple of years now. Combine that with tacit approval of fascism, and they don’t seem to have a lot of selling points left.

    But Iger is a business genius, so I’m sure he’ll have this sorted in no time. /s

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