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[–] 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I normally just say, "I read [x] on Lemmy."

If they ask and are genuinely curious what that is, I tell them it's like a reddit offshoot, but the users control the network and servers with a high level of transparency in administration/moderation and run off software that can have tens of thousands of crowdsourced eyes helping to find and fix any bug or security issue.

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    [–] 62 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I don't introduce people to the fediverse

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The whole thing with federating is irrelevant to most users.

    I tell them it's a social media built in a way that makes it impossible for any company to take over it in order to make profit. And then I show them to some instance I've hand-picked for them, without really telling them there are other instances as well. It's not something they should worry about at that point. I can explain it later on, anyway.

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    [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    “The memes and news site I use.”

    That’s it. No infodumping, no explaining the technicalities, just tell them “just pick one, it’s basically like a username” and worry about it only if they want to learn about the underside of it.

    We don’t “explain” email to people - they just pick a site, sign up, and move on.

    Working in tech I learned to only explain the workings of something if they ask since most users are perfectly fine on a surface level and can intuit more than we credit them for once they know the basic gist.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago*

    It’s (insert platform here) for furries, communists and nerds. If I want to explain the basic concept, I talk in terms of phone carriers

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I don't really bother until they're looking for an alternative.

    When I've put people on Linux, to make an analogy, it's basically been because they entrust me with their choice of new computer, not because I won an argument about the relative merits of different software licences.

    Most people IRL aren't even on Reddit, so Lemmy wouldn't make any sense for them. People might be on Twitter, but for whatever reason it hasn't come up, so no Mastodon either. Mostly I hear about Tiktok and Instagram for the young, and Facebook for the old. Pixelfed is Instagram-ish IIRC, but I'm not sure how active it is.

    Edit: And if people want whichever platform they have the most friends on, well, they're obviously in the last 50% of the population you can recruit.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I don't, because they'll ruin it.

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    [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I just describe it as an online forum I like to argue in. 🤷

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I don’t introduce them to Fediverse and don’t talk about it None of the people I know in real life are tech-savvy except one guy.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    You don't need to be tech-savvy to use a social media.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    You don't need to be tech-savvy to use a social media.

    You are entirely right when it is about centralized social media (Facebook, Instagram, Reddit, Twitter and the likes).

    However, for example; Lemmy and Mastodon you at least need to be a bit tech-savvy.

    • Making account is different but then you get;
    1. The multiple instances.
    2. Multiple communities that are the same name.
    3. What is exactly decentralization.
    4. Federation.
    5. Difference instances can give different results (blocking, rules, and what you can and cannot see from other instances).
    6. How Moderation works is different than the usual platforms.
    7. Community discovery is different. Searching for something can be quite difficult on Lemmy.
    8. Lemmy’s community has a lot of tech-jargon which non-tech savvy people might find difficult to wrap their head around.
    9. How the banning system works on Lemmy is different than the usual platforms as well.
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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)
    1. The multiple instances.

    You only use one. You don't need to care too much about this.

    1. Multiple communities that are the same name.

    This one can be confusing indeed. I hope they will ask if they encounter this. Then you tell them they're on a different Lemmy, and that the two are interconnected. And that'll help them understand a bit about federating.

    1. What is exactly decentralization.

    Not really important for using Lemmy. Nice to know, if you like being tech-savvy, but not necessary for using.

    1. Federation

    This was already mentioned as "2." You can read and write posts without understanding this. You'll get the point of federation at some point.

    1. Difference instances can give different results

    Different groups have different rules anyway. Some of them are derived from the instance's rules, but whatever. Same end result. Not necessary to understand for basic usage.

    1. How Moderation works is different than the usual platforms.

    How is it different, actually?

    1. Community discovery is different. Searching for something can be quite difficult on Lemmy.

    I've never had trouble searching for something. Maybe that's because before Lemmy I basically used only Facebook and there you cannot really find anything by searching anyway. For me Lemmy's search works just fine for searching for what communities exist. Haven't felt a need for something more.

    1. Lemmy’s community has a lot of tech-jargon which non-tech savvy people might find difficult to wrap their head around.

    You don't need to understand everything on this planet. If you cannot wrap your head around something, then don't. You don't need to participate in every conversation.

    1. How the banning system works on Lemmy is different than the usual platforms as well.

    They'll figure this one out if they ever get banned. Otherwise, it's irrelevant for reading and writing.


    All in all... Understanding federating isn't strictly necessary for reading and writing in communities, but yeah, it is good to understand at some point. Everything else... Meh. Things that are nice to know, but you are able to follow communities and write in them just fine also without understanding those things.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I gives concrete advantages like the choice of client to browse those platform, features not getting removed for profits etc. I think the decentralization as a selling point is a failed strategy

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I don't. I say oh yeah I read that on Lemmy. They don't ask, I don't offer.

    If for some reason they say what is Lemmy? I say just a community version of Reddit not run by companies.

    They never ask further, so I don't need to start explaining parallels to email.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I don't. Even I don't like it here. I'm just a man of principle so I'm not going back to Reddit so this'll have to do.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Why do you not like it here? What can/should be done differently?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Quite a homogenous user base with incredibly predictable reactions and views on world events, and the feed is basically just US politics and other news articles designed to make people angry or reinforce their pre-existing beliefs. This simply isn’t a fun place to be. The so-called “regrettable minutes” make up a really high percentage of the total time spent here. And that’s even after I’ve blocked virtually all of the worst communities and users, as well as built a long list of content filters based on keywords. I just have no desire to recommend anyone come here, since I’d consider that bad advice. This is a perfect example of what’s wrong with social media. Reddit’s nowhere near perfect either, but I was much less unhappy there.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    You could just read from sources you have subscribed to and skip the "All". That way you don't need to bother with content filters :) You also aren't really forced to follow the communities that are about US politics.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    A free and open source social media platform supported only by the users and not by spying on its users.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah but then there's still no buy in from friends and family. They are most likely going to retort "Well none of my friends use it". We could have open source social media in 2020s but people don't want to use something they don't know. Meta is comfortable for them and they are OK with being tracked and monitored by Meta intelligence, its stupid that they rather live like that but only they can change their minds

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    The reality is it will take some disruptive force to alter the status quo. Maybe the government splitting up tech giants, maybe some public backlash to current events or maybe we will be invaded by aliens. Whatever it is, I will be waiting here on the Fediverse to welcome any and all who wish to join. Now having glimpsed a world free of invasive spying and constant manipulation to buy more stuff, I will never go back.

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  • I don't bother explaining it unless asked. I just share content with them. They can figure it out if they're interested.

    If I am asked, then it's "a decentralized platform similar to...." whatever. Most folks are "don't know, don't care" when it comes to anything technical.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Honestly? I don't. The people I know who would join it already know about it and the people who don't know about it would never join it.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I start sending fediverse links containing memes etc. and eventually they sign up on one of the sites.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Here's a better link from mastodon. It gives you a preview and has no ads.

    "I'm trying to cut down on social media."

    Great, mastodon isn't optimised for engagement, it's just stuff you follow in chronological order.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Unsuccessfully so far, that’s for sure

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I send my friends links to posts, memes etc on Lemmy

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I only do so if they talk about reddit, then I explain that it's like reddit, but some subs are hosted on a server in Germany, and others on a server in Canada; regardless of where it is, any user form any of the servers can see posts hosted on any server.

    I don't really get into the non-federated details (like unfederating from hexbear, etc.) unless they ask.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Open source Reddit alternative

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I link them to a post i think they'll like. Then if they ask i say "its like email the servers send around the posts and comments around to each other, but some are blocked from each other to keep out known bad actors (kind of like known spam email servers)"

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Just wait until they get banned from reddit, get them to sign up and show them the Boost client (that used to work on reddit) and away they'll go. That's how i did it :-)

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I just tell people I saw it on reddit because my friends and family won’t use or understand reddit never mind lemmy.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Simple.

    Just like you introduce Linux!

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    My main talking points focus on the lack of personalized feed, no advertising, no one corporation with political motivation is in control of it, clear moderation log, etc.

    I think the key is that you have to show them why the platform they’re already using isn’t in their best interest. Why use Lemmy when they already have Reddit? Why use Piefed when they already have Instagram? Most people don’t realize the surveillance social media puts them under or how its personalized feeds manipulate their state of mind.

    Until you explain that, it’s hard to give any reason to try anything other than what they’re already used to.

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    [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I say it doesn't sell all your data to random companies all over the place.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The amount of gatekeeping I'm seeing here is insane

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    When people start talking about why they deleted instagram etc because of all the ads and time wasting, I tell them I'm using / posting on Pixelfed etc because it's community owned, no ads, no brainwashing. That gets them interested but not enough to go and figure out what an instance is.

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    "Lemmy is like Reddit the same way Linux is like windows. Its not really as good, but turbonerds will give you a thousand reasons why its better and you wont really understand."

    "Its not filled with wankers and bots yet though so its got that going for it."

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    [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Depends:
    single platform: there i talk mostly about features like no tracking and no ads but also add that there are less people but its still lively

    Fediverse: "imagine you comment under a youtube video with your twitter account", then i add that i actuallynever did the equivalent but that its possible, then i rant about bsky not being decentralised (because DIDs) and its red flags, then go back explaining fedi and reference it to email

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    "people made their own reddit cuz reddit did a ton of bad stuff you remember?" "it's kinda like the united states but there's no federal government and anyone can host a new state. but anyone can talk to each other. confused yet? good!"

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  • I’ve used email addresses as an example. You can have an @gmail address, and an @yahoo address. They can both send and receive emails from each other, despite running on different email servers, because the communication protocol between them is standardized.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Lemmy is to Reddit what Methadone is to Heroin

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    'You like reddit? It's like that but the extremists and bots wear their other side* outfits."

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