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[–] 60 points 1 year ago (16 children)

Why the fuck is our supposedly liberal government giving standard ovations to conservative pundits? What do they hope to accomplish by pushing this rhetoric? Right wingers will never see this and think “wow maybe I’ll vote liberal next election” you fucking idiots. I hate everything.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    That's cause our liberals have been moving further right. Carney himself is pretty much an old school conservative.

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  • [+] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago*

    The benefit also being increasing their power over the rest of society by means of exercising control over their assets and public institutions staffed by likeminded people. For example by buying news media and shifting focus away from those same issues that provide those benefits.

    E: Saw headlines about a couple of rumors - David Ellison buying CNN and Larry Ellison buying TikTok. The first is the same Ellison who bought CBS via Paramount and is planning to install Bari Weiss as head of news. The second is his dad, Oracle owner and a top 3 richest person in the world.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    15-20 years ago, Carney's platform would be PC, and Polieverre's failed platform would have been a joke.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Yup. Exactly. And ndp is just in the corner shitting the bed

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Maybe if all the “strategic voters” had even a little bit of a spine. “I prefer the NDP but I need to vote NDP! Hey, why does the NDP not get any support?!”

    How many Canadians flatly refuse to vote for what they believe while being mad that the government isn’t reading their minds? We aggressively signal that we do not want the NDP and then get mad that they aren’t the thing we keep showing them that we do not want. Get a clue.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    If this is such a systemic problem that it alters elections, the problem is with the system.

    The individuals are doing a risk/benefit assessment at a micro level. It is more damaging for them to have a conservative government than it is for them to have a liberal government and that may weigh more to them than the incredibly slim possibility of having an ndp government.

    You cant penalize people for picking what is in their best interest. And they can still be pissed off that the best choice they had still led to a shitty outcome.

    If you want something different, the system needs to change.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    100% that we need reform, something the Liberals will not give us.

    At some point though we have to admit that our system is less one rigged for a specific party at it’s core and more one that benefits the most established party at the time. If we all voted for a different party they would ultimately win. A huge reason why people say they won’t vote NDP is because they claim that the party “doesn’t have a chance”. If they wanted that party to win_before_ voting for them then we deserve everything we get because as a population we’re too fucking stupid for any other outcome.

    Also all strategic voting does here is ratchet everything to the right and raises the stake for the following election. We decided to let it go for a while and now all we really have is the center-right and far-right. Congrats to every spineless coward who got us here and screamed loud and clear that what they want to see more of is pathetic corporate centrism.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Again, they aren't spineless cowards when their choices are "evil" and "pretty shitty." They are voting for what is best for them.

    You can say that they have other choices, but as individuals, they really do not. Any other vote is essentially a vote for "evil"

    Look what happened down south. You think those people who voted for Jill Stein are happy that trump got in?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    The States have a two-party system and because in their primaries they completely fuck it up every time, including plenty of corruption from the democratic party itself, they got to where they are. This is what we need to avoid, but we’re too busy looking at our feet as we walk towards a similar fate.

    That said, we aren’t in the US, we’re in Canada, in case you weren’t aware. Our biggest issue is that the NDP can get half the votes that the Liberals got in 2019 and more than them in 2021 yet we see seat splits of 157 to 24 and 160 to 25. Flip your example around, and can you imagine how many people who voted “strategically” helped cause their ridings to lose out on NDP candidates? People claim they have no chance as if the country doesn’t want them but millions upon millions do. And then today we’re still all fucking miserable, a shithead banker is in charge, and the one party that fought for us(and actually got shit done when they put a gun to the Liberals with the coalition) lost pretty much everything.

    We must really hate ourselves, to constantly fall for this bullshit. Conservatives AND Liberals are suffocating this country; do you want to let it die while pretending you’re doing the right thing or do want to actually do the bare fucking minimum and vote for the party whose platform actually aligns with your views?

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Sorry I'm a xis make the current NDP doesn't want me there is no fucking way I'm voting for them.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    I think you mean “cis male” and holy fuck, brother, you need to get out of whatever nasty echo-chamber you’re in. I’m a cis male, I’m even tall, strong, white, and from a pretty well-off family, and yet I don’t feel the least bit alienated by them. Hell, I once had a firearms license and I drive a sportscar and motorcycles and shit, and I repair things with my own hands. And yet I feel perfectly fine and secure with the NDP platform and messaging. I’m privileged as hell, and I don’t mind losing some of my undeserved advantage so that those without such a headstart can have a better chance. The best part is that I still benefit from those policies, just not directly. When the floor is raised we all do better.

    So I guess I’m just curious as to why you would think that they don’t want you.

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  • [–] 44 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Me when I read the headline: DAFUQ

    Me when I read the article: oh, ok.

    Me when I realized it was yahoo: God damn me for falling for click bait.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (5 children)
  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    My queer, female co-worker was mourning him and binge watching his content recently. I mentioned i was surprised she would listen to him given his views and she basically rebuttaled "uhm actually he does respect women, see he interviewed some porn stars and only fans girls."

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    She’s a special kinda stupid.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    She's welcome to listen to what she wants, i was just surprised the respect she had for him given he wants a world where she wouldn't have rights.

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  • [–] 60 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Conservative MP for Lethbridge Rachel Thomas pays tribute to Charlie Kirk in the House of Commons, calls for the defence of free speech and against political violence. She gets a standing ovation from the Conservatives and the Liberals.

    Emphasis mine.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Thank you. Thst makes more sense but the optics still aren't good.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    That's right. If they had not mentioned him or mentioned a few examples, him among them, that would have made the optics very different.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Problem with that though is their intention was specifically him. You're removing their motive from this by saying they could have not talked about him. Their motive was him. Honoring him. Lionizing him. Making a murder martyr of him. You can't take away the motive.

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  • [–] 83 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Misleading title. Yes, Charlie Kirk's assassination sparked a conversation about the importance of free speech and disavowing political violence. The standing ovation was not for Charlie, but for the outcome of that speech.

    Still, you'd think they'd at least TRY to be reasonable with the optics of the conversation.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago

    But isn't what Kirk did constitute as hate speech here in Canada. We don't have freedom of speech, we have freedom of expression.

    He didn't deserve to die but he was toxic in every sense of the word.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    They don't seem interested in optics given their other clown behaviour of inviting PJ2025 galaxy brains to speak behind closrd doors.

    Canada didn't cancel on them from backlash. The garbage people they invited did.

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  • [–] 51 points 1 year ago

    can we stop applauding nazis in parliment for gods sake.

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  • It's all so performative

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago

    Propaganda works, y’all. It’s serious.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    What the fuck

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    Why the F does anyone in Canada think they need to capitulate to the absolute worst of America? This is beyond pathetic.

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    [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    There was two mentions of Charlie Kirk, in a speech that I'd say was focused on condemning political violence, in a mostly non-partisan way. I'd like to think that in Canada we're above using weapons to prove a point. If we need to beat back the intolerant we'll do it in an enormous show of non-violent force like Torontonians just did at Christie Pits.

    https://toronto.citynews.ca/2025/09/15/police-outline-charges-after-numerous-arrests-at-opposing-immigration-rallies-at-christie-pits/

    Anyway the speech is what I'd expect from a Conservative, but it's nuanced enough that I get behind the primary message being conveyed.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    That all said, those celebrating Kirk's death are as much simply expressing themselves as Charlie Kirk was, when he was denigrating immigrants and those that didn't fit the ideal Aryan description

    And we should also publicly denounce people threatening journalists and professionals like Rachel Gilmore, who had been simply lamenting the appetite for escalation that would come from those seeking retribution, but this was wildly interpreted as a celebration and now is facing a constant barrage of death threats. Which only proved her point btw.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    What the fuck is that

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The liberals did not give a standing ovation to charlie kirk. It was performative political theatre from the cons. A conservative MP made a statement praising kirk, framing kirk as a beacon of family values. The liberals could rise to support those values or remain sitting and be accused of supporting political violence. It was a no win situation set up by the cons. The next day the libs had a "standing ovation". If you are outraged by the story ask yourself who wins from your outrage.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    If I hear anyone ranting about family/traditional values Im just going to cut to the chase and assume you consume Russian origin propaganda by the barrel-load. Nobody pushes that stuff harder than them. No one stands to gain from the chaos it creates in the west, more than them.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    I hope somebody is keeping a list of all these people because it's straight up a list of fascists.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You cannot be a good person and a nazi, you are still a nazi.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Of course he isn't a good person, he is a fucking Nazi and deserved what he got

    I think the point is that just about everybody who thinks this was a good guy is like a Christian; they've only been fed the positive parts and blurps, and are wholly ignorant of the dark side of the subject because they were never shown what it really was about

    I think we need to continue posting his real messages

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    What is with all this 'deserved what he got' insanity? I know it's the internet and all, but calm down. He was a person, flawed just like the rest of us. He had views that many of us found disagreeable, just like everyone else.

    Black people are upset that he died, gay people are upset that he died, trans people are upset that he died; why? Because he wasn't some evil extremist calling for violence. He was a moderate and calling for debate.

    Where is all this hate towards Kirk coming from? And please don't cherry pick a handful of out of context quotes. There are thousands of hours of video discrediting all these random quotes people are using to showcase his villainy.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    yeah see the thing about this is that most people would say that good stuff

    but good people don't also say the bad stuff

    and anybody who thinks somebody is good solely because they said some good stuff is a fucking idiot, you have to consider the bad and change your view accordingly (like hopefully that woman did). but most maga nutjobs aren't rn, they just ignore what they don't like

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This is fucking embarrassing.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Canadian politicians have never heard of this thing called "optics" before. It's a very isolated and fart-sniffing group of people

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Why are my tax dollars being used to give a racist, bigot, fascist and all around waste of human life a standing ovation?

    This is utterly ridiculous to a country as diverse as Canada that I would think overwhelmingly disagrees with the hate Kirk spewed out of his filthy pie hole.

    They want to mention that political views shouldn’t turn violent, great. But don’t waste my money on mourning an absolutely horrific person with a standing ovation. This pathetic human doesn’t deserve anything except that grave he’s now being dumped into.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Does anyone know what's going on in this context? Is this a part of the trade negotiations or something?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    It’s part of Carney and the shitlibs sucking the US and Trump off, elbows down you might say. Capitulation, praise and acquiescence is their modus operandi. They have no intention of standing up for Canada, it’s all been lies.

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