I was thinking more like "farms collectively owned by the populace"...

Monsanto has not existed as a brand since 2018. The name of the new baddie is Bayer, who acquired them and got rid of thae name. Same shitty playbook, but let’s focus our anger on things that exist.

Id cost them so fucking much in repairs. I don't need the produce to eat, the local varmints will suffice.

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Not trying to justify her or anything, but companies do love to abuse shit.

Yes, being expected to occasionally work overtime is a reasonable expectation.

However, most companies will just keep doing it. Im sorry, if I have to work overtime almost every single shift for more than 2 weeks - that is not reasonable. (And that shit happens even with unions)

"That's right, the 4 goes in the square hole"

~That Lady

What are you on about? I've done potato truck driving for a season when I was depressed and needed something else to do for a while. There's a lot of low/no skill work on farms that people can do. With just a few people who know what they're doing (and I definitely wasn't in that camp), the crops aren't going to be burning in the field. I don't think anyone is advocating grabbing people, plopping them in a field and saying "here, farm this".

I think the big difference would be that under this you'd probably be working for next to nothing to enrich Monsanto or something, whereas under a Socialist system these would be public lands owned by the people, do be distributed to the people.

Having the military do farm work/construction is also pretty common in those kind of countries too.

If we're doing it, we gotta add in a rotation of frontline retail/restaurant work.

I would agree with it if it was working on publicly owned farms. I don’t support any kind of “drafted” labor that ultimately benefits private owners, or even a system where the government reaps the profits. If people are made to work in any fashion, every cent of value generated should go back to them.

You can get out of it by paying

See The Rich doing hard labor

Pick one

Tbh, I'm not convinced that this would really happen. There's not that much price elasticity to a lot of agricultural products. If the strawberries cost too much, most people will just not be able to afford strawberries and thus will just not buy them but instead buy less labour-intensive produce instead.

One could argue that if strawberries cannot be produced in a way that earns everyone involved a living wage then we shouldn't produce strawberries, and that's a totally valid point to argue.

It's also fair to argue that we need to cut out capitalism's inherent inefficiency of having to feed the capitalists in the process who did contributed nothing in terms of labour. But on the one hand, this hasn't worked out that great in the past and on the other hand this would require more of a change than to just kick out migrants.

What would be more likely to happen (since we've seen it happen during Covid already) is that the wages will go up, but the locals still won't do the work, thus strawberries will rot on the fields, the shelves will be empty, the prices will go up, but not enough to cover the losses for the farmers and the farmers will plant something less labour-intense next season.

(Wages would have to go way, way up before people will voluntarily quit their job in an AC'd office to work on a field.)

Didn't we try that here after Brexit? From what I remember, farmers were having to let crops go to waste because Brits didn't want the jobs, even after wages were raised. Most farm work is seasonal, people don't really want that instability.

Edit: https://foodwastestories.com/2021/10/09/120000-pigs-culled/

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/lack-of-workers-lfood-to-rot-in-fields-cost-of-living-crisis_uk_62fa7fb3e4b071ea9589136d

https://www.fruitnet.com/fresh-produce-journal/higher-wages-fail-to-halt-labour-crisis/185817.article

They had to bring in special visas, because no one else wanted the jobs.

We are contemplating compulsory service by all Americans. "Free Market" is not a factor here. Against that alternative, we can consider a wide variety of non-free options for influencing market behavior.

You describe workers exploiting themselves: being willing to "do it for less" than a living wage. Correcting minimum wage to be a living wage keeps their slave-like desperation from influencing the labor market.

Beyond that, directly subsidizing American ag laborers corrects the follow-on market effects of anti-famine subsidies on agriculture. Ag subsidies depress food prices and tank farm revenue, forcing farmers to exploit workers. Ag subsidies directly to ag laborers corrects that undue influence on the labor market.

Yes you can. The issue is that it isn’t one market, it’s two: the legitimate market and the under-the-table market.

When you choose your words, you can get a MAGA to be 1000% aggreeable on the "libtard" views they rail against every day. I do it every day and I'm not exaggerating.

MAGA's woke is pretty close to Mao's or Stalin's bougie.

i think supporting intel was a mistake. intel produces cutting-edge chips, unlike ARM which is significantly cheaper and catching on to intel performance-wise.

Basically, intel can't continue because they're at their natural end of life: with the end of moore's law, it's only a matter of time till ARM catches up performance-wise, and out-competes them on price.

Seen it. Down south, knew a guy who did any kind of odd job. Work hard, play hard, antiracist. Lasted like two days picking strawberries.

Honestly the job could be less hard. The employee assult issues are really bad, and only a couple little nonprofts are trying to address it. Mostly supply chain advocacy, with migratory/poc employees in leadership.

LOL yes if you enslaved me to enrich some POS by working his land I would absolutely be at best useless on purpose and if I could "accidentally" make it worse eg dropping stuff or messing it up in transit I absolutely would.

Sadly it's probably too much to wish for that they'd develop empathy for the real workers and use the cushion of their wealth to help support a strike for a fairer share of profits/subsidies. Iirc, there's already a farm workers union since Cesar Chavez but it's weak because members are poor and transient.

It’s not unreasonable to expect at least 2-3 days of throwing out most of what a new person produces, and most people won’t be half decent until mid season. Even picking berries needs technique and experience to separate the unripe from the ripe, to avoid crushing the fruit, and moving quickly. But compared to some office jobs I’ve had, where because of politics and large org structure, it takes 6-12 months to figure out what’s going on…

Malicious incompetence is way too easy in this kind of work.

They still do that today.

Free profits for the agriculture industry.

I don't disagree at all. Gives kids a little nibble of different sectors before they commit their lives to one. Not to mention the hard work, and perspective you gain by doing so.

By what logic do you jump from this would benefit people to we should force people to spend their time doing this under penalty of law? Why should people do this instead of continue to further their actual life or education? Why should people do what can't be well paid work instead of earning actual money?