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[–] 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I loved it for the first 3 seasons. Then they turn it into the usual couples sitcom and lost all its appeal.

I liked the dynamic of having all main characters "fail" in life. Penny failed as an actress, Leonard failed in dating Penny, Howard failed as a playboy, Raj failed talking to women and Sheldon failed at social integration. They were all adorable losers that had fun while losing. For me it kinda was giving a lot of hope, like you don't have to succeed in life to have a good time.

Then they made them all winners, they all became rich, and achieve all their goals. And all hope was lost. And the message was "you better succeed in life" which was depressing.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The "laughs" all felt from the outside. There was very little humor aimed at the people who would self identify as nerds and way more "haha look at these nerds and how quirky they are" set ups. Sure there are misogynist asshole nerds but usually they need to grow beyond that to find friends and partners. As far as I could tell none of them did. Sheldon and Howard were still super sexist, Leonard was still passive and whiny, but the story pushed forward foisting "perfect matches" on them.

    Throughout the whole thing there was very little actual geek humor, and it felt denigrating to actual nerds.

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    [–] 21 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I watched it for a time because other friends and coworkers did and it gave us something to talk about. But, generally speaking, I found the characters to be kinda awful people and while on the surface seemed like my friends and myself, they were at best poor approximations. The show was very clearly making fun of them most of the time, filled with horrible laugh tracks that prompt the viewer.. I eventually just couldn't stand it anymore and left. Honestly, I had forgotten about this show.

    Around that same era there was a show called Community that was full of weird people and great storrytelling and was damn near the opposite of the Big Bang. Community is a show I still rewatch from time to time.

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  • [–] 74 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I refer to it as geek culture black face.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    As a nerd I loathe that show, it’s vapid. You nailed it.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm a Nerodivergent geek, I had lots of people tell me "you will love this show" so I watched some and now I wonder how those people really see me. So that's kinda fun.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    followup question: what's your thoughts on The IT Crowd? because i have a friend who insists they are the same show, and i disagree but can't form a coherent argument as to why.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The IT Crowd is a show about a group of fools getting into ridiculous situations at work. It’s a good laugh and has some classic moments. My partner doesn’t make or get tv/movie references, but even she can drop references from it into casual conversation.

    Big Bang Theory is a bland comedy that wants to be much more than it is - relationship drama, social exploratory, situational comedy. But it tends to fail 90% of the time, and the closer it gets to ‘relationship drama’ the more grating it gets.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Something I realized while reading this is that I can't think of any quotes from it. Besides "Bazinga", but that was designed to be intentionally annoying and then was used to mock the show.

    I can think of references to basically every other sitcom I've seen, and I can vaguely remember some scenes from BBT, but nothing quotable. My spouse liked it, so I've seen every episode at least once, but it was honestly pretty forgettable.

    My verdict was originally "not bad". But maybe being forgettable was it's best quality.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    I haven't watched much BBT, so grain of salt, open to being called out for mistakes.

    I'd say The IT Crowd was more centered about a workplace, even if many of the jokes are about their romances, hobbies and personal life, and even if BBT had workplace episodes. The central set of IT Crowd is their basement office, the central set of BBT is an apartment. And I don't think that's a trivial difference, it changes the kind of humor and how relatable much of it is.

    Also, a big gripe about BBT was the laugh track. It's normal for sitcoms to have canned laughter, IT Crowd had it too, but BBTs is uncomfortable. Like trk said in another reply, "If there was no laugh track you wouldn’t even know jokes are happening." There are plenty of BBT No Laugh Track edits on YouTube and it highlights how much better it could be without the forced laughter.

    Finally, BBT is a lot more US humor than British humor, not to say that as point in itself, but I feel like it makes the BBT feel to me a lot more like "laughing at nerds" despite that being a major factor in BBT. I also feel that Moss is played more wacky and exaggerated than (say) Sheldon, who certainly has strange peculiarities but is played more subtly or realistically, which I feel makes their character more mocking than absurd parody.

    (also I just like the theme music much more)

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Comparing The IT Crowd to The Big Bang Theory is like comparing Pavarotti to a braying lamb.

    BBT is the braying lamb, for the avoidance of doubt.

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    Well let’s start with the jokes. They are just subjectively funnier, with many tie-backs and connections (Seinfeld/CYE long running set ups).

    TITC is laughing at the normies and celebrating the geeks. TITC isn’t afraid to be really funny, which means recognising the human condition and laughing with it. The characters aren’t “good people who fail”, they are “humans who fail”, which mean we recognise them and empathise with them. Who hasn’t wanted to give a really impressive speech and said some bullshit.

    BBT is bland. The characters are bland, with only external failures. The jokes dare not really poke fun at anyone and the jokes are sentence-long. Finally the actors and the script just aren’t as out there, so it all just feels dull as dishwater.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    the one scene that really got me to pause was when moss laughs at a circuit board. i've been that guy. i've laughed with colleagues about bad hardware design. but... the audience is not consisting solely of electronics engineers. they're laughing at him. more exactly, they identify with jen in that scene, and joins her in thinking moss is weird.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Yes, I agree.

    But I think you need to see it in the larger context. Episode 1, and much of season 1 (series 1 as we would call it here in the UK), is about moving into their world so we get to known them and appreciate them. Jen is the viewers’ guide into this world and her journey towards becoming one of them is the viewer’s journey. So what starts as a laugh at geeks ends up sympathising with the geeks (“but we did all the work!!”) and becoming the geeks (observe how Jen’s office starts as a managers office but slowly ends up with Manga artwork).

    So her laughing at the geeks, and her inability to understand them (white noise), is crucial because it takes the viewer’s hand and leads them into the basement.

    The most powerful example of this journey is when Jen becomes entertainment manager (“It’s not for you!”) and we have one of the show’s genuinely touching moments , whwn Roy grapples with his breakup and finds release in a session of tabletop RPG. This moment works so well because of the strength of the actors, the script and the fact that it has brought the viewer into the circle; the normies are now loud, obnoxious “business men” who are set free by adopting geekiness.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    idk man. s3e2 (the "ludicrous display" ep) has an extended bit about moss being anal about staples. it's still laughing at him. and there's no foil for him there, the gag is just that he wants to know how many staples have been used.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yes I actually agree. Moss is definitely the butt of some jokes, but he gets so much love in other places that I can stomach it, despite feeling like the show isn’t always completely kind to him.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    yeah i also find him lovable, but the point is it's the same sort of gag ttat tbbt does. and they're all over the show. so why do we feel so differently about them?

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    First season or two was alright. Not great, but alright. Early on, it felt more like a show made for nerds. There were lots of niche references to nerd culture that the casual viewer wouldn’t catch. They intentionally kept them niche and vague, because they knew that’s the kind of shit nerds love.

    But as the series progressed and they began aiming at a wider audience, the references were aimed more at the casual viewer. It shifted from a show that was for nerds, to a show that was making fun of nerds. The viewership shifted away from former nerds, and suddenly it was the former bullies watching it instead.

    It truly lost itself when it became a relationship drama. At that point it was just a bland milquetoast sitcom with one-liners and “will they won’t they” types of writing. Name a sitcom and you can probably think of a few solid jokes from it… But that isn’t really true for BBT. It didn’t really have any solid memorable scenes, because they all eventually blurred together.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I was there for the premiere... Season 1, Episode 1... I laughed because they referenced funny nerd things! It's a sitcom that I'll get inside jokes on! Oh boy this is going to be amazing!

    By episode 3 I realised it was not going to be amazing. By episode 6 I was out.

    I have no idea how many sessions they are up to now but if I happen to stumble upon it I legitimately can't work out what's meant to be funny. If there was no laugh track you wouldn't even know jokes are happening.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If a show requires a laugh track to tell its viewers when to laugh, then it lacks substance enough to cause it without.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I don't agree in general - I like the trad sitcom "sort of live" approach, as in Cheers and early Red Dwarf, but it is definitely used as you say far too often. The fecking Flintstones used a laugh track - an animated show.

    But search YouTube for "Big Bang Theory without Laugh Track" and you'll see a dew examples of how shit most of the humour actually is

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The autism representation is what happens when a writer has never met another person before.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    It started out great but ended up just being mostly sex related humour, not science.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Aged like a first-class battle of milk.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It made people with either mental or emotional or social dysfunction the butt of pretty much every joke.

    Haha, he's awkward.

    Haha, he has a weird family dynamic.

    Blegh.

    It gave the audience the opportunity to laugh at ostensibly intelligent and educated people for enjoying nerd culture.

    I honestly think it's an abomination.

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    I watched two episodes before bouncing off hard. No idea how it got as popular as it did, because the jokes were just low effort and lazy.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    In my opinion, it's not as bad as people claim it to be, but It's far from being great as well.

    I think it was easier to watch when it came out, but from memory I enjoyed it. I remember thinking the show was kinda accurate regarding nerdy references (compared to other movies and series of the time) and I thought it was cool.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    By extension, Young Sheldon features a not at all realistic genius kid, who's arrogant and having zero clue in socialising, but his attitude is extremely confident. I don't find the protagonist likable at all.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    There was something about it I found obnoxious. It was just kind of lazy and, although the cast did a decent job, the writing was meh.

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  • It’s for people who don’t know comedy

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I binged all seasons and it cracked me up to watch the cast go from eating a ton of food on screen to just gesturing with pickles and working out 😂

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I like it. It's dumb fun, but it's funny and I like to laugh.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    The big bang theory killed my parents.

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  • I thought it was funny when it came out, but it hasn't aged well at all. Very cringey and stereotypical, with a slight tinge of homophobia.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    I like it a lot.

    But I think they dragged it a bit too long.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    It was OK for time it was out. Then they made the young Sheldon crap and now I can't even watch reruns

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Nerd humor. I liked it.

    It ain't no Mike & Molly, though. That show was HILARIOUS, and unapologetically for adults only. Really great show.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I loved the nerdiness of the show but it was more like they were making fun of them instead of laughing with them.

    I totally related to almost all of the culture since I’m a giant nerd

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  • i liked young sheldon more but i still watch big bang theory today as a guilty pleasure. it's not perfect by a long shot but it's fun. i preferred sheldon scenes more than leonard or anyone else though.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    oh boy, i do love me some disgusting amounts of misogony such as that show... shows.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    I love it. Watched it when it aired and catch reruns once in a while. I don’t watch a lot of the reruns but do watch them from time to time.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    It fucking sucks. Also, i'm tired of being compared to Sheldon Cooper. I'm surprised there aren't more fellow autists shit talking this show.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    I really like it. It has some nice jokes and I enjoy it quite a lot when I see it

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I didn't like it.

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  • It's for nerds that hate themselves.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I tried to watch it around 2012 and couldn't stand it

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Reddit trash for people with no standards.

    As long as it's "safe", they'll eat it up.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    Laugh track bullshit that basically tracks as “you-know-of-star-trek-then-you-know-nerd”

    Call them all nerdy!… then give them miracle careers, a girlfriend with porn doll voice and no real heartache and yea…

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    It was fun for the first 4 to 5 seasons and after that I couldn't stand it anymore.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Never seen it but parents did , it's horrid !

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I couldn't even complete one episode. It was so dumb.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    In our dub, they forgot put the canned laugh in the first seasson, you just hear silence when they make a pun, at that point i thought it would be a tragedy/comedy series in a sweat/bitter sabour. Then they put canned laugh and i leave

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    My brother, my dad and I watched it together some 10+ years ago. I think people get too angry about it. Most sitcoms aren't really funny, BBT isn't unique. "Oh it has too much of a laugh track" they all do. I also think this idea that the show makes fun of nerd culture gets taken a little too far as well, for the same reason. The characters are sitcom characters. Name any sitcom and there will be dozens of youtube videos about how the characters are horrible to each other and don't make good decisions. If they were decent, rational people then there wouldn't be as much drama, so no show.

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