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[–] 91 points 1 year ago

As a Dutch person, I'm very glad we've made this decision. After reading about Ireland doing the same I didn't think we would but I'm glad that we did and also that we've decided on this somewhat early instead of waiting to see what the "bigger" countries are doing like we usually do with these things.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I wish my country was that smart.

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  • [–] 136 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    As shit as the European song contest is, i hope everyone does the same and only israel will vompete with no one.

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  • [–] 49 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Israel gets kicked out way before that. They have a population of 10million. Spain and the Netherlands are much larger then that. More viewers = more money

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  • [–] 49 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Maybe, but Israel has unlimited funds to throw at PR thanks to the USA, so I'm not sure population is going to be a deciding factor there.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    That's treading dangerously close to a specific kind of conspiracy theory there.

    The EBU has pretty strong financial ties to Israel, not least of which their main sponsor Moroccan Oil. But at the end of the day you can count on the ghouls in charge to always find the coward's way out and follow the money. It's the exact same pattern of behavior they had with Russia in 2022, which they initially allowed to compete before backpedalling.

    Pretending that this is an issue solely because of some conspiracy is not only baseless, but it also unfairly lets most European broadcasters off the hook for refusing to uphold the set the same hard lines with Israel that they set with Russia. Israel competed because European broadcasters were happy enough to include Israel. Simple as.

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  • [–] 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    An Israeli company has been the main sponsor the past few years.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You can easily replace a sponsor. Or better yet, dont! The shows didn't have a sponsor 10 years ago. Ads are ruining everything

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    That'd be nice, but they, maroccanoil, have been main sponsor for the last five years, and are confirmed to again be this year. Dunno what the chances are of that changing at this point.

    Also - I'm pretty sure they had corporate sponsors 10 years ago. They aren't shown in some countries broadcasts, but they've been there for some time.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Australia are gonna sit quietly in the corner and not say a word in the hopes that Europe forgets we’re still allowed to compete

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Is Australia committing a genocide too?

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They did theirs last century, same with Canada.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago

    They should really say that they will pull out of the show if israel and the zionists are allowed to sponsor the show through Moroccanoil and Estee Lauder.

    THAT would hurt.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Good. We need more of this. Israel needs to be isolated as the pariah state it is.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    They are the 6th biggest contributor, and Spain has considered doing similar and they're one of the big five. It might actually change something since money will matter the most, and enough countries are dropping out that they may not have enough contestants to run the semi-finals. There's rumours that Italy, Germany, and Britain may withdraw if Israel is kicked out though. Maybe we just won't have a contest next year, and after the bullshit of the past two years I'm completely fine with that.

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  • [–] 44 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    If Germany and Britain drop out, anyone could come last.

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  • [–] 76 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Why is israel, a country in the middle east, a part of Eurovision to begin with? Very telling.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Australia, Armenia, and Morocco are all outside of Europe, and have completed too. Basically all European countries are eligible, plus those whose public broadcasters are part of the European Broadcasting Union.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Armenia being outside of Europe is still kinda debatable if you ask me.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I mean, it's in western Asia, next to Azerbaijan and Georgia. "Complicated definitions of Europe" are part of the point here, but it's pretty clearly not Europe in my mind, but given the Turkish border, it's not far from Europe like Australia is

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    It's a nonsense joke. Australia is also there. Just kill Eurovision and call it something else for fucks sake

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    CountriesOnEarthWithFreeSpeechAndAFunctioningDemocracyvision

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Now you mention them, interesting how Israel and Russia are matter of discussion and Azerbaijan isn't despite their invasion of Nagorno-Karabakh

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think we're seeing the same reaction as when Russia invaded Georgia in 2008. Basically "oh no this is not okay. anyway...".

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Sounds plausible, Russia's invasion of Georgia didn't seem like a big deal to me back then. Same as Russia's first invasion of Ukraine in 2014. Media failed me in each of those cases. I feel like i'm having less blind spots as i get older, but i'm obviously still not fully there yet.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Dear god, just take some sanctions like you did with Russia.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Russia bad, bad, bad. Israel good. Where is the problem, Citizen?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You have right, I'm sorry. And according to the famous actor/comedian Jerry Seinfeld, supporters of Palestine are worse than the KKK supporters.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    There are already sanctions (violent settlers got their asset frozen, and are forbidden to fly to many countries). Problem is that they take that as a badge of honor, and they don't have enough outside assets to really be a problem to them.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    it's just going to be israel and sweden left at this rate

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    God promised them a song contest 3000 years ago, you heathens.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Has nothing to do with Europe or the EU. One of their broadcasters is simply in the EBU, so they're allowed to participate.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Israel (and most notably the Israeli company Moroccan Oil) is a big sponsor for the EBU, the organiser of the Eurovision Song Contest.

    Only countries signed up with the EBU (European Broadcasting Union) can participate, and that’s not limited to European nations.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    From what I've read, countries bordering the Mediterranean, including North-African countries, are allowed to compete, but they don't want to, mostly because they would have to broadcast the Israeli entry.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Countries are finally speaking up about this, I've been waiting for like, 2 years already.

    Israel has undeniably brought the contest into disrepute twice in a row with them sending basically political entries with shady ad campaigns that made a select few voters disproportionately vote for Israel, causing them to spike up in the ranking (almost winning the 2025 contest; JJ is our savior), and yet the EBU just doesn't even care about this? And when Russia did the whole "let's take all of Ukraine" move, it took 10 countries to immediately speak up for them to get suspended. Ukraine won that year btw. Like... if the EBU are gonna keep saying the Eurovision Song Contest is "apolitical", then they have to accept the harsh reality that making your participants be countries immediately makes it otherwise. And this is not the exception, it's the norm. Both the Olympic Games and the FIFA World Cup have had similar disrepute incidents in the past, most notably with apartheid South Africa.

    Either way, if more countries drop out due to Israel's continued participate, that could ultimately result in enough awareness for the EBU to finally kick them out for good. Otherwise, the only solution is the privatization of their broadcaster, which literally nobody wants.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Also the commentator in the Israeli live broadcast called every artist who had called the war a genocide an anti-Semite on live tv. Yeah if the EBU wants their contest to stay apolitical than they need to ban the Israeli broadcaster for the commentator’s toxic comments.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    This year in 2025, they even made fun of the Armenians. I can't remember exactly what they said, but it was definitely something along the lines of "I can't believe we gave these guys a quarter in Jerusalem"

    I have ultimately lost faith in these commentators. So much for being an "independent reporter", EBU. I mean yeah, they're facing the threat of privatization, but for now they're public and state-owned, so there's literally no excuses here.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Oh wow, AVROTROS (the broadcaster) finally found a spine? Where was this last year after the incident with Joost Klein?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't think they found a spine so much as they've seen the turning of the tide in the media re: Israel Palestine conflict, with several major media outlets running pieces agreeing that it's a genocide in the last month or so (BBC, Sky, Reuters, etc).

    Aside - I also would like to understand what the turning point was with these media groups where they suddenly pivoted from "Israel are purely defending themselves" to "this is a campaign of genocide". Its like they hit some arbitrary number. 67,026 = self defence, 67,027 = oh gosh oh wow that's genocide.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Nice. Go make a better one with Blackjack and Hookers (both genders).

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Sure thing, Rick from Empire Glass.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Even after googling i dont know what you mean. Please elaborate.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    https://www.eastvalleytribune.com/news/gunman-gets-life-in-rick-chance-murder/article_88a29648-5991-5d66-91e0-31397324e51a.html

    There was a guy who owned a car windshield replacement company who would give away free dinners or diamond necklaces if you hired his company to replace your car's windshield.

    He was found dead with two strippers/hookers, one of either sex, some cash, and one of the diamond necklaces his company would give out.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Can't wait for the UK, Germany, and France Song Contest. I bet France still gives us nul points. /j

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    It very important to note that Israel is NOT part of Europe. It's in the Middle East, which is in ASIA.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Azerbaijan, Armenia, Georgia. Heck, Australia.. If these are Europe, then so is Israel.

    That said, I don't think we should exclude Israel from participating in Eurovision on a geographic basis. We should exclude them instead because they are an ethnofascist apartheid colony that's committing genocide on its population.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    They were also very clearly rigging the votes in the last Eurovision by having an online campaign aimed at making people vote for them (advertising like that is forbidden by Eurovision rules)

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  • [+] 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Good. Good. If enough countries retire we may have a chance to win.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Okay, anyone got a map or list on this? Definitely curious on seeing who's still in and who's out, like that FightChatControl site

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Oh we did? Fucking nice! Many people didn't want to touch this, but I'm glad it went through anyway!

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Is this the plasic straw of diplomacy?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I guess they should just do nothing then. Why is this always the immediate response whenever anyone begins to do the right thing?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    They need to do their obligations under international law . Stop cooperating with the terrorist state doing it's final solution

    https://slguardian.org/netherlands-signs-175-million-arms-deal-with-israeli-firm-elbit

    https://paxforpeace.nl/news/military-cooperation-of-the-netherlands-with-israel-is-inappropriate

    Would you say the same thing if during the holocust countries has some same weak response to a compaign of extermination?

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