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[–] 84 points 1 year ago
[–] 38 points 1 year ago (4 children)

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The Second Amendment is not about hunting. I love hunting. The Second Amendment is not even about personal defense. That is important. The Second Amendment is there, God forbid, so that you can defend yourself against a tyrannical government.

So does this count as defense against a tyrannical government? Given that he's a propagandist / mouthpiece for the current said government causing harm to countless humans right now.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    That's not even true. The reason for the second amendment is clearly spelled out in the amendment itself. The part that everyone seems to ignore.

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State...

    It was intended as a way for us to have an army available on short notice without having to maintain a standing army.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Thank you. Finally another person saying this. I try to point this out any time this lie is spread, but it's so common now most people assume it's true. They do t even bother reading it and trying to interpret it for themselves. It's really clear, even today. Given the context of the time, it's even more clear. Standing armies weren't common, and the new nation was poor and definitely didn't expect to be able to have one. It relied on militias for defence.

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  • And there was the whole states vs federal thing going on. They didn't want the Federal gov't to have a standing military for reasons. They gave up on that pretty quickly, too bad they didn't go back and clarify their stance, but how would they know their offspring would be so fucking stupid.

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    [–] 36 points 1 year ago*

    https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirk-says-gun-deaths-worth-it-2nd-amendment-1793113

    Charlie Kirk Says Gun Deaths ‘Unfortunately’ Worth it to Keep 2nd Amendment

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago

    Couldn't have happened to a more deserving person I guess? He's super pro gun and "taking things in your own hands", so I guess he got what he was asking for.

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  • [–] 51 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    The irony of him talking about shootings in America and then the shot rings out.

    That is just…a little too convenient?

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  • [+] 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)
  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Yes. I’m aware. I’m saying the shot timing based on what he was talking about literally right then. Was the whole thing/talk about shootings? Was it a very crazy coincidence? Was the asker and shooter a plant?

    We will find out in time. It’s just very weird timing.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't think he was considered a disposable pawn. This was the sort of shot that's hard to interpret as a plant.

    He may have been killed by the right. But honestly someone is going down for this regardless of if it's the person who shot him. And if the person going down dies before trial they're likely going to have evidence they're trans planted if need be.

    Much like the reichstag fire they don't need to fake an incident, they just have to keep twisting the screws and never let a good tragedy go to waste.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    My non-mod opinion on this:

    Trump is posting Kirk is dead.

    Not going to celebrate, just noting:

    "I can't stand the word 'empathy', I think it's a made up New Age term." - Charlie Kirk

    https://youtu.be/qO8GGZ418T8

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    May the gods judge him fairly in accordance with the life he lived. I bear no further ill will towards him and wish him well in his coming journey. I'm grateful he has stopped hurting people and only wish it had happened differently

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    Thoughts and prayers.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    There is no negotiating with fascists.

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  • [–] [M] 32 points 1 year ago

    FYI - links to the gore video will be removed if it is not properly marked as NSFW/NSFL.

    Yes, it's bad. This is not like the Trump "maybe it was faked with razor blades" kind of thing.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago

    The only good nazi...

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    I saw an unironic comment on one of the outlets reporting the shooting, and it was "All the liberal violence has got to end".

    I mean....WTAF? No one even knows who the shooter is yet, do they? And how many instances are there of liberal violence?

    I bet that same dipstick thinks that J6, the Proud Boys, The 3%ers, the Oathkeepers, and all the other right-wing domestic terrorist groups, are all fine, too....

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (20 children)
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  • [–] [M] 14 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Please mark NSFW/NSFL - I get that the destination is marked, ours needs to be as well.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Fucken hell that got even me a bit and I was desensitized by LiveLeak years ago.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Was just about to comment the same. I’ve seen bad shit thanks to my adhd and the all too common morbid curiosity.

    Even I wasn’t ready for that, it’s not common to get such a close and focused view on that shit…

    I want to emphasis, for anyone morbidly curious, you really ought not click the link unless you want to feel very upset and uneasy. Be warned.

    Also, as a side note, that’s not an easy single shot to make, especially if the initial reports are right that it was taken 200 meters away… unless you’re a professional. You have to be very familiar with the gun and really have the sights/scope honed to leave it at a singular shot like that. That’s a small target at that distance even if aiming for center of mass. It’s from the side as well it seems… not many would be comfortable taking that one.

    I don’t like this somehow. Feels wrong, even if here especially the target really had it coming.

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  • Id like to note that it made be a bit iffy but between the autism and C-PTSD it barely got me. But yeah if that's my reaction you should be cautious.

    Also I doubt the shooter was aiming for the neck, Kirk was moving and it's between both the rough outer range for both a body shot and a headshot. It's possible they were going for center mass but due to various factors nailed him in the neck.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Been following the talking heads on the news and the consensus among professionals is that it's not a particularly hard shot and, if anything, shooter was aiming for a headshot and wasn't prepared for the bullet drop and got lucky.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    What’s near the neck? The head? The chest? Trachea?

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It looked to be in his left side of the neck to me. Very severe shot. This is not a Trump "well, maybe he faked it with razor blades" kind of thing. Dude was straight up shot in the neck.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Yeah, I watched that video…. Quite horrifying

    But weird they say “near the neck” rather than “in the neck” in the article

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago*

    Journalists are going to error on the indefinite side if they don't personally know. Anyone who watched the video would say "He got shot in the neck." But if you're only hearing about it 2nd hand you say what you do know.

    Source: Wife has a journalism degree.

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  • [–] 72 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    I abhor violence and I don’t want this to ever be considered normal or acceptable. Once again, we need actual gun regulation in this country.

    That being said, fuck that guy in particular. He, his ideology, and the causes he advocates for are monstrous and no amount of violence against him should be used to wash any of that away. Make no mistake, his political ideology has helped build the society that is making this kind of horror more commonplace. Let’s not forget, the society that HE is helping to build is largely accepting of gun violence toward children, not to mention many others.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    This fucker was lying about trans people, saying they are more likely than white men to commit mass shootings, right before he was shot.

    He was perpetrating politcal violence against a marginalized minority when political violence silenced him. I don't think this is a good situation (overall as a nation and a society) but this is very much a live by the sword die by the sword moment.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Just think he died with a lie on his lips. Its okay though because he has asked the sky wizard to forgive him for all his sins.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I don't abhor it. It's the only language some people understand and we've been placated and lied to since forever that "it doesn't solve anything"

    If it doesn't solve anything then why do we have armies?

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It’s funny that violence is fine when the US government is assassinating an iranian general., but is abhorent and deplorable when someone assassinates a propagandist who helped destroy american democracy. It’s like the US has a standard, but it’s like, doubled in some way…

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  • [+] -16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Once again, we need actual gun regulation in this country.

    Hard disagree. We have plenty of gun regulation. Too much, in fact.

    And Trump just said he wants to disarm all Trans folks, so they’re all easier to victimize because of one person. You want more of that? You know who else was in favor of gun control? That’s right.

    What we need more than “actual gun regulation” is “actual universal healthcare including mental healthcare”.

    You know already, I’m sure, that most gun deaths in the USA each year are from suicide. (gunviolencearchive.org)

    Imagine if you gave a shit about that statistic. Now keep imagining that either or both political parties did too. (Stop laughing!) Because however hard you ban guns, all those people still want to die. Imagine fixing that, instead of worrying about whether or not honest people deserve to be able to defend themselves. (Because as it turns out, murderers don’t care about the law, google Abe Japan for an example of that.)

    Gun bans won’t stop attacks like today. They’ll stop normal people from defending themselves, and that’s it.

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    [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    "Utah Valley University spokeswoman Ellen Treanor has confirmed to the New York Times that Charlie Kirk was struck by a gunman positioned in the Losee Center, a building approximately 200 yards from the event site."

    Unlike Mr.Kirk, I'm in favor of much stronger gun control, but that was quite an accurate shot, harmed nobody else, and well timed for context. Unlike the idiots trying to shoot Trump and either killing another person or not even getting a shot off

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    [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Ya know I've been saying for years the best way to remove Republican influence is to put the propagandists to the sword. Thusly I am not only fully okay with this, I fucken support it.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Over 30 minutes since it happened and not a single post on Reddit’s r/politics…. Censorship much?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yes, they have successfully censored the news. No one will find out.

    There are plenty of good reasons to aggressively moderate a shit hole like Reddit. I wouldn’t read into it in this case.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    I’m sure it’s cuz links to the video will inevitably appear in the comments.

    Still, feels like mods putting the thumb on the scale, and makes me glad I’m here on lemmy

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    Is the prick dead or not? This article seems more like it wants to fellate republicans who are posting their literal thoughts and prayers for their scumbag friend.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm not a doctor but the video looked pretty fucking mortal to me

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Yep, looks like his jugular was blown out. For some reason, it was on my wife's Facebook. My guess is he's not going to recover from this, by the looks of it. If he does, I don't think he'll have a voice.

    Edit: video has been pulled.

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    [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Violence is never the answer, until it is the only answer. We have been approaching that point and it's just going to get worse. The Luigis out there will keep this up whether it is the right or wrong way to do things. All we can do is watch or try and fix it. Too few are even trying.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    My first reaction was “oh awesome” but now that I’ve read what happened I hate that he is now going to use this to further his agenda. And trump will react against the universities

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Did you see the close up video though? I'm not sure he will have an agenda to follow after this.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I can’t find any video that shows the actual shooting

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    I'd post it but I can't find a way to label it NSFW

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Is he? I haven't seen any confirmation of that. But I think it said he was shot in the neck from the back, which sounds pretty lethal.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The Wikipedia editors move fast and have a ton of links up already - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempted_assasination_of_Charlie_Kirk

    You can probably guess what Steve Scalise Benjamin Netanyahu and Gavin Newsome have to say, but if you really need to know they're in there

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    Another trump style "shooting" now they send Soldiers to Utah

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Video on threads (Description: Video from far away in crowd captures charlie being shot before panning out quickly. No gore.)

    edit:

    I found a closer up video on reddit. Dude was shot square in the brachial artery... he's 100% dead.

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