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[–] 188 points 1 year ago (5 children)

If Americans were even prosecuted for war crimes that couchfucker would be scared.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Hague Invasion Act

    The act gives the president power to use "all means necessary and appropriate to bring about the release of any U.S. or allied personnel being detained or imprisoned by, on behalf of, or at the request of the International Criminal Court".

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  • [–] 127 points 1 year ago (11 children)
  • [–] 129 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    That's real? Holy fuck what sort of clownworld are we actually in?

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I don't know what kind of rock you've been living under the past decade but it seems to have the density of nuclear pasta. This is not surprising at all. It's certainly fucked up and depressing, but fully expected.

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  • [–] 51 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    "Sieg heil!"

    "Saying that makes you a nazi."

    "I don't give a shit what you call it."

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago

    The problem they're faced with is a drug epidemic and the solution they come up with is mass murder.

    Obviously very sane and rational.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    So now killing people that poison americans is OK? So all the CEO' of major companies that pollute are legitimate targets? Is that what vance is saying?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, pretty crazy precedent if you applied it to America. So all oil companies employees are fair game along with chemical employees and the majority of people in the food/alcohol/tobacco industry. Now that I think about, it is justification to eliminate about a third of the US population.

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  • [–] 47 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    It's alright. He won't be but a small blemish on the blotted history of the US

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I dunno, he's one of the more mocked figures in US politics. History will hopefully remember him well for couch debauchery

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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    Unless.. well... unless they start ww3 👉👈

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Don't look at us, we won't start the third one. we kinda learned from the first two. And to not trust the Austrians regarding that matter.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That's a good description of USA politics right now

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  • [–] 69 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Your daily reminder that as a matter of fact, international law means pretty much nothing. It's funny to me that people still keep bringing it up.

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  • [–] 47 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    It never meant anything to the USA and other imperialists, it is regularly used to justify action against those outside the "international community"

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    The thing about justifications is that you can just make them up. There's no international law against hypocrisy.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    Only tangibly related but

    All laws are made up, no matter how much your try force authoritarian rule people will always have the the inherent freedom to oppose.

    The sooner we realize the natural anarchy of individuals the sooner we can replace build in forced compliance with build in aligned mutual interests.

    People who have no interest in “committing wrong” usually don't commit too many wrongs.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    International law only springs into existence when it's convenient for the "international community"

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    You could say that about any law, not just "international".

    Look at how laws are applied in your country and you'll probably find them disproportionately applied against the poor over the rich.

    We can't just set and forget laws. If you want them enforced justly, you need to be active in your political environment and elect people who will do that.

    If you want international law applied to the US, you need to elect politicians who would be willing to push for sanctions against them until they comply.

    Or if you're American, vote for politicians who actually respect the international community.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    That's a really naive take TBH, bourgeois "democracies" are designed in such a way that whatever you do, in virtually all cases you can only elect representatives of capital...

    Electoralism and reformism are impotent at handling systemic problems and injustises

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If that's how you feel, then all laws mean pretty much nothing. The only reason any of it matters, is if we all agree to abide by them. Technically, anyone can commit any crime, at any time. The rest of us need to hold those people accountable, or as you said...none of it matters.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    I mean, if someone ever detains a us service member on behalf of the ICC, the US will literally invade the Netherlands

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm sure this kind of rhetoric will turn out to be super great for Americans abroad.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Laughts on them. If the flow of cocaine would stop, politics and the rich would be hit the hardest.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You've made the mistake of thinking that this is about killing members of a drug cartel instead of killing people they decide to accuse of being members of a drug cartel

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Whether those people on the boat were members of a cartel or not is not the point, it already is piracy and a war crime.

    My point is that the stated ultimate goal is to fight drug cartels, and that would hit certain circles the hardest. Especially with cocaine, which is a drug predominantly used in richer circles.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago*

    I'm pretty sure if someone gave Vance a gun, he would start shooting the cleaning staff at the WH. He sounds like a coked out lunatic who hears voices making fun of him.

    This is why I'm not convinced when people say maga won't fall in line behind this guy. They want blood, they don't care how it's spilled. They're foaming at the mouth rabid for it, and Vance promises to deliver.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    James Donald Bowman is a sad sack of shit and the literal incarnation of his douchebag father.

    He tries to escape his given name, but I won't let him, I'll deadname him until he (or myself) is dead.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    So according to couchfucker, war crimes are the best use of the military.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    They also do not care about war crimes in Gaza. Sick psychopaths.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    He's just another version of trump.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Did they kill the Sackler family?

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    The US has always been this parasitic, lawless, warmongering shithole of a country. Bush did it, Obama did it, Biden did it, Trump did it. Every single president before them did it. As someone who despises the US hegemony, I'm glad this administration is showing the world what the US has always been. This will just make it easier for us across the globe to discredit the US lackeys in our individual countries.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Saved. In case he denies later he ever said that.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago*

    If you replace JD Vance with Hitler, replace jd Vance's profile with Hitler, they're indistinguishable from each other

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Don’t insult crazy people by comparing them to Vance!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    The orange bloated bloviator is bad enough but to have that dark little strange monster hovering in the background seems somehow worse.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    You could make a very strong argument that a cartel member is a member of a militant group, they certainly use many of the same tactics

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago*

    You could make a very strong argument that the cartel is something for the country itself to deal with, or rely on help through organisations like INTERPOL and not just have the US decide it's murder time for a random civillian they have no evidence on.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Prove it in court and put them in jail then.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    You think you're capturing these guys alive?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    No, but it's still the correct way to do it.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Cool you can serve the arrest warrant then

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    I think you're missing the point there.

    You can't just eschew justice because cartels - but we both know they won't come quietly.

    You do the trial in absentia, then send a team to go 'pick him up' if he really does come quietly, he'll go to prison, but we all know that's not how it'll go down.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I agree, that's why MAGA and the KKK should be executed in the stree- wait, is that not who we're talking about? Oops, my bad.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If you have a proper judicial process, some mistakes are caught. On the other hand, extra judicial killings have no recourse for mistakes.

    Even the best processes and well intentioned humans make mistakes. Extra judicial process is a recipe for humanitarian disaster.

    Unknown number of innocent people will be murdered in cold blood without remorse if such a policy is adopted.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I respect the sentiment, but there's no way in hell these guys would surrender to law enforcement.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Except that they have in the past. Coast guard shows up in a big ass boat with guns, they don't fight back. If drugs are found, they are confiscated, people are interrogated, leads to the organizational structure are worked on, etc. This was just murder. There is a strong reason for due process.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    i think you mean military instead of militant, any violent group is militant. So being militant is still a civilian thing and using the military against civilians is a war crime. Also using the military within your own borders is a crime. So no it's not a "very strong argument" it's not an argument at all

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_humanitarian_law

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