It makes sense if you don't think about it. Which apparently the DOJ never did.
It's all about creating enemies the ignorant bigots can stand together against.
USA is a disgusting society.
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Gun restrictions you say? 🤔 Tell me again how the left-wingers came for your guns.
You must not live in CO
Ha, you're not wrong. I had actually forgotten about that, damn news consciousness is hard now. Yeah dumb lefty laws and they're actually in effect, but if they declare being trans as a mental illness and bar them from owning any guns, that's an entirely different beast. That's a core breach of the 2nd amendment in any interpretation.
watch the Court decide that the history-and-tradition framework justifies restricting guns from seditious groups, citing slave rebellion laws as precedent, while ruling that discriminating against trans people satisfies strict scrutiny. 6-3, with Alito writing for the Majority.
we're so fucking cooked.
In case anyone's in any doubt about whether there's any factual basis for this:
Mass shooters are not disproportionately transgender, contrary to claims
This CNN article states it well:
Such a move would represent a dramatic escalation of the Trump administration’s fight against the rights of transgender Americans.
That's it. This is just the fascists finding another way to victimize trans people, because they enjoy doing that and it keeps the morons' attention diverted from real problems.
And this bit is also good in the article (warning: disgusting quotes from Trump admin people):
The goal of the potential ban, according to the Justice official, is “to ensure that mentally ill individuals suffering from gender dysphoria are unable to obtain firearms while they are unstable and unwell.”
Because gender dysphoria is included in the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, also called the DSM, it is diagnosed as a mental disorder. (The DSM is the handbook used by health care professionals as the authoritative guide in diagnosing mental disorders.)
But the gender incongruence – having a gender identity that’s not the one assigned at birth – isn’t what makes gender dysphoria a mental disorder. Having clinically significant dysphoria around the incongruence is what makes it a disorder.
That's surprisingly nuanced and well informed for an article on a mainstream news site.
From what I understand, people with mental disorders (e.g. taking anti-anxiety meds) can still own guns. The threshold for being disallowed is if the person has been involuntarily institutionalized. So even if you have some kind of mental health crisis and check yourself in, that's voluntary so it doesn't prohibit you. It sounds hard to fit gender dysphoria into that framework.
OTOH apparently you're prohibited if you've used pot in the past year, so maybe they'll expand that to include vaccinations.
The logical direction this is going is that they want to do something bad and Nazi-ish to trans people. I hope it doesn't go that far, but they're rounding up other people already so people need to be ready for a fight.
And it won't stop at trans people like the "normal gays" seem to think everyone on the LGBTQ+ spectrum should be ready to flee/fight ASAP.
The way I look at it is: this isn't just trans people's battle. They just happen to have found themselves on the frontline of a war that's coming for everyone, so we all need to fight this together. If trans people lose rights, those are rights everyone else has lost too, because they're now a matter of the fascists' discretion so not really rights at all. If you're not their chosen victim today you may be tomorrow, and fascists' victim lists have no end but grow and grow. So it's for all of us to fight for trans rights today, because the attack on trans people is an attack on all people and we're in this together.
I would bet though that most made shooters are white though. Better male it so white people can't have guns...
Well lookie there, I was right
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/
Lol it's worse than that.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476445/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-gender/
I wonder if there's a similar split for regular shootings rather than mass shootings.
Well lookie there, I was right
No shit though?
You look at the largest racial population and wonder why it represents the highest raw number figure?
Looking at your source... (and taking population percentages from here... https://usafacts.org/data/topics/people-society/population-and-demographics/our-changing-population/)
White: 54.2% while representing 58.9% of the population
Black: 16.8% while representing 12.6% of the population
Latino: 7.7% while representing 19.1% of the population
Asian: 6.5% while representing 6.1% of the population
Native American: 1.9% while representing 0.7% of the population
The white population overall under represents per capita mass shootings. You SHOULD expect white people to make up the majority. They ARE the majority.
Which is often one of the big points.
Actually banning firearms purchasing is the kind of mess that "Universal 2FA" supporters* support up until they realize the logistics of what it would entail and quickly bounce back because it might impact white people.
But what does happen is the affected groups see the threat of a ban. So those who are particularly scared rush out to buy guns while they can (and so do the people who want them dead). Which bumps up sales and makes the firearms industry happy.
But it also means cops have an excuse to assume every single trans person is packing a machine gun. So no knock raids and executions increase.
*: Except for basically the select few gun nuts like Karl at inRange (Kasarda?) who actually genuinely believe everyone should have the right to own a gun and has gotten shit on and shunned by much of the "firearms community" for expressing these thoughts. With respect to trans people, even.
“Universal 2FA”
Universal 2-factor authentication advocates are getting really serious about safeguarding their privacy.
Its 'second amendment for all" or "second for all". I dunno, they change their Movement's branding every time a company decides to be ridiculously bigoted and they have to make it clear "Second amendment for everyone except those people"
2A4E, maybe? Just found that one but there might be others. I knew what you were getting at but enjoyed the idea of 2-factor authentication nerds starting with something they know and something they have but adding in a something to keep the something they have from being taken away from them.
So they ARE for gun control?
welp, that tears it. time to buy my first gun, while I still can. I'm not a big fan of guns but fuck if I'm going to let myself and my community be disarmed by the fascists. I'm not going quietly if they send us to the camps.
If you do and have not used one before please get training in the proper operation of it. Even if its from a book. Practice until you are comfortable with it. Otherwise you may end up shooting yourself or someone you care about by accident. You should know how it works and how to break down and clean it yourself.
oh absolutely. I'll take a full gun safety class and practice target shooting at the range.
Good. I started learning when I was six. I had to of course relearn many of the things I was taught as a child. I used to own nearly thirty firearms. No reason really. I just enjoyed shooting them. At targets. I didn't like to hunt. Over time I sold them all down to two. One is the first firearm I every bought myself. The other is the first gun my dad ever gave me. It jammed and the feed tube was maligned and he couldn't fix it. He bought another and gave the bad one to me. I broke it down when my parents were not around and fixed it. I haven't fired more than a dozen rounds in the last fifteen years. I really hope I don't have to fire one ever again.
I hate to break it to you, but that's exactly what they want.
They want more people to buy guns, because that's more power for those in the industry.
The money from these sales will go towards getting republicans elected.
Only buy used guns.
Building one yourself can be another great option. I'm slowly building my first AR this way. There are many parts manufacturers out there who are friendly to the left, or at least politically neutral, more every day.
The build process will get you VERY familiar with how your firearm and each part of it functions, there is a build for every budget and (at least with the AR platform) you can customize it to your heart's content.
Plus it's just a lot of fun to see it come together, it teaches self-sufficiency and you end up with a basic kit of tools that can come in handy in the future. IMO it is very worth the time and effort as opposed to just buying something already built off the shelf.
So if the next mass shooting is done by a non-trans person, does that mean non-trans people will be restricted from owning a gun?
A republican shoots up a school and nobody sees any issue with Republican ideology, but the second a trans person does we've gotta take away the guns, right?
Lefties and trans folk, arm up. If you haven't bought your piece yet, start the application process. Once you have it, it becomes almost impossible for them to take it away by force.
I think you mean the only way they'll take it is by force, and they will if they choose to do so. You aren't going to stop a SWAT team (or worse.)
It's not about stopping a specific incident. It's about sowing enough fear in their little piggy hearts that they think twice.
Personally I'm more worried about a caravan of lifted F250s with MAGA flags rolling through my neighborhood but everyones threat model is a little different.
How would this stop them? Couldn't they just use the same gun show/online loopholes (the many way ways to acquire a gun in America)everyone else does?
EDIT: changed the phrasing to more accurately reflect the reality to satisfy people's dependence on nitpicking details at the cost of understanding the actual point.
Probably. I think this is more about providing an excuse for jailing any trans who choose to own a firearm, rather than stopping them
Serious question: do you believe that you can purchase a firearm from a commercial dealer online or at a gun show without regulation? Because in most cases, that simply isn't true.
Commercial dealer? No. Some dude in the parking lot named Colton? Absolutely.
I'll admit I'm not educated on the subject but it was my understanding that there is a loophole for gun shows.
In a country where there are more guns than people, I don't believe the barriers to entry for gun ownership for someone who really wants one are substantial. So fundamentally, yes, I do believe this.
I've never been to a gun show, but I went to a guitar show as a teenager, looking to buy a bass, and I ended up chatting up some dude carrying his Rickenbacker 4001 around in a case, looking to sell.
We went out to the parking lot and made a private sale. All cash, no tax, no receipt.
Yeah but even with gun broker it depends on the state your buying in. Most cases they will ship the gun to your local FFL, where you then still have to go through all the paperwork to get the gun released.
Don't private sale happen at gun shows? And don't you find it a little silly that you are criticizing the detail of HOW this is done while missing the bigger picture of how easy it is to get a gun in America.
Here are me to edit that post to suit you pedantry.
I didn't want to spark a semantic debate, I am genuinely curious how people perceive firearm sales and acquisition in the US.
In my experience of having purchased and sold a few guns over the years, it's not quite as straightforward as most would believe. The laws vary by state, but in my cases all private sales (even at gun shows) are subject to background checks facilitated by an FFL holder (think gun store or pawn shop) and any applicable waiting periods.
That's not to say back-alley deals don't still occur and that unregulated states do a great job of tracking ownership, but the risk that private firearm sales and straw purchases pose are largely mitigated by the fact that most people don't want to have their name linked to a firearm that was sold to some unsavory individual.
Yep.. well 2nd amendment folks are hypocrites apparently. Shocker.
I don’t think Trump is popular for this. The NRA has already come out publicly they are against this. Rednecks hate trans people but they hate anyone who threatens to take guns away from citizens more it looks like.
Damn these gun-grabbing democrats.
It's amazing how we're all told growing up there's no black and white good and evil. The world doesn't really have vampires and villains, just people who disagree on what's right. I'm surprised he hasn't painted the White House black yet.
(Yes, I know, but gold doesn't fit the metaphor)
What part if "shall not be infringed" do these fuckers not understand?
The general concept of social contracts, and law explicitly, apparently.
Ah see you're making a common mistake when reading the law. Republican's shall not be infringed, Democrats shall be infringed. It's a common mistake to assume the Republicans will respect others rights, they don't. They want all the rights for themselves and laws to apply to everyone else.
Next up, people with Trump Derangement Syndrome (RFK can diagnose you as you walk around in the airport)!
Trans people are statistically underrepresented among mass shooters. If we are targeting high risk demographics we should start with white men.
"First they came for the transgenders' guns, but I didn't speak up because I'm not transgender..."
Trans folks, get your guns while you can. They might be the difference between freedom or going to RFK's "wellness" farms. As an autistic who will someday be targeted, I intend to stand on the line of battle with you.
RFK's "wellness" farms

Having a gun will not protect you from the military, which is now our enemy.
There is only the option to run and I encourage trans people to begin executing those plans I know you've been making to get to higher ground. Pool your resources, go together, support each other.
To not fight is compliance in advance, which is a great source of power and comfort for fascism.
Further, it isn't likely for the whole of the American military to be aligned with the Trump Regime. Odds are that we will have a civil war - and one side will have minorities serving, many of whom are competent people who have been exiled by the Trump Regime from all sectors of government: Military, intelligence, bureaucratic, and more. Already, the west coast Blue States are forming their own vaccine coalition to replace the loss of Federal services. That is the sign of an upcoming secession, as the Blue States form mutual services that are not dependent on the support of the Trump Regime.
Aside from all of that, America historically had difficulty against guerillas, whom tend to have small arms and communities. Freedom fighters within America's borders are likely to be even more successful than their foreign peers, simply because ICE would run the risk of turning entire cities or states against the government. Foreign guerillas couldn't quickly influence the politics of America much, because they aren't American nor close to home.
it makes you a harder target. think of the SovCit and cult groups that squatted on Federal land for years. the government popped a couple (Waco and Ruby Ridge) but in others (e.g. the Bundy standoff, Malheur) the fringe groups were somewhat successful. sure, maybe in part because they were white male conservatives, but I think also because the government knew it'd be a bloody mess, and likely cause them casualties too. most cops are cowards. will they risk life and limb to bag a trans person?
basically, the goal is just to make it hard to round us up, not impossible. it's harder to sweep us up if we're strapped.
Ahah, the US right finally found someone that they don't want armed to the teeth.
good luck with appeasing that extremely important anti 2A anti trans demographic. some say it's the biggest voting block in the world
Good thing we have red flag laws to prevent other minorities from keeping their guns!
I hate my life and I hate this world so much, yes this shithole of a country is one of the worst but others are rapidly sliding to this too. Why couldn’t I have just been born a women and never had to deal with all of this
This is in no way to diminish your struggle or do any type of oppression ranking, but the GOP hates cis women too, with anti-abortion laws, putting rapists on the supreme court, aims at removing no fault divorce, the desire to make cis women baby factories who can't vote or work, etc. Cis hyper religious rich white men are the only things they tend to like.
They hate cis women less than they hate trans women, they me dead. At least cis women are allowed to live which is an improvement over what I have to deal with. At least other countries will more easily accept cis women in and allow them to exist. Being a cis woman right now isn’t easy but being a trans woman is goddamn hellish.
hugs from a fellow trans woman. <3
this sucks. living with transphobia and dysphoria sucks. I can't promise it'll get better. hold your community tight, help them and let them help you. we're all we've got.
I'm sorry this is happening. For whatever small comfort it may bring, please be assured that there are many people who don't hate you for being who and what you are, and we are doing all we can to help.
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