The weird thing is that it seems to be working? Either I misdiagnosed the problem, or maybe my old one was just broken.

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[–] 127 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Could be a new firmware in the fresh one

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  • [–] 56 points 1 year ago

    A different revision could be very different, it's likely not really the exact same.

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  • [–] 48 points 1 year ago* (11 children)

    You will learn SO MUCH about computers by just trying to make your wifi or some other thing work. And then you will never have trouble with that thing again. I remember having to do wrapping of drivers, but I don't know if that is still a thing.

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  • [–] [S] 26 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    This is my jam. I really enjoy having a steep hill to climb.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    There's something special about WiFi, but it is better than it used to be. I think it depends on your hardware more than anything. Any chance you can connect up to Ethernet in the meantime? You may be able to plug directly into a switch/router.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    It's too far from the router right now, but I have some options.

    I needed to have the new adapter plugged in to use a tool from the manufacturer that is supposed to detect your adapter and install the most up to date driver for you, but of course you have to be online, so I was using the old semi-broken adapter and had both plugged in and connected to my router at the same time.

    It seems jank, but it made me wonder what would happen if I just left both connected forever. Would it stay seamlessly connected as long as they both don't drop at the same time? Lol

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    You remind me of when I moved to Argentina. I had a laptop whose fan suddenly froze but I was too broke to get a computer so I figured out that if I put it in JUST THE RIGHT spot next to a fan, it would get enough passive cooling to work. Then I did the silly and decided to upgrade, which made me have to plug in Ethernet. It took me ages to get the computer back in the right spot so that it wouldn't power off due to overheating. All for WiFi...

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You can make Linux load balance over two network connectors, but usually it prioritizes one network adapter for all traffic based on a scoring algorithms (wired and high bandwidth gets most points).

    You can manually set a priority too, or route specific traffic (based either on destination, protocol, or source program, etc) to a specific adapter. Some programs (like KTorrent) are capable of using multiple adapters without any specific config (which is why I was able to run torrents one time while literally nothing else worked with an old 3G internet dongle) .

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago

    As far as first problems with Linux go, that one's a classic! Congrats, LOL

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago

    Be me and get a cheap MacBook Pro 2015 to run Linux Has Broadcom adapter Apparently the worst one 43602 chip Proceeds to install arch anyway Tries 3 drivers, no luck Tries many workarounds, no luck Cries to sleep Runs internet recovery to install macOS, fails

    Guys, listen to the wiki and techstack sites. Don’t get broadcom

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    This was also my first issue in Linux but it turned out my duel boot was somehow screwing things up. Windows broke WiFi for Linux, then when I booted into Windows it was broken there too. I blame Windows because it was right after a series of updates, but I have no idea why it'd impact other independent OS on other drives.

    Unfortunately I forgot the solution. It was probably since bios impacting thing, like how they often say to disable fast boot and junk.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Devices are configurable via software. If windows managed to β€œflip a switch” on the WiFi chip, it would affect Linux as well if it didn’t reset it on boot.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    This. Way back in the day, I had a sound card that would absolutely not work in one OS unless I'd already booted into a different one and "activated" it with the driver there.

    It might have been Win9x and WinNT, but it could just as easily have been Win9x and some early-ish version of RedHat.

    But anyway, it would not surprise me to learn that the same sort of thing still happens with some hardware.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Disable fast boot in your BIOS, else when you reboot, hardware is not re-initialized so if Windows loaded a custom firmware in the chip or set some stuff here and there, it may be incompatible with linux. If you dual boot, always disable FastBoot in the BIOS.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I had this issue and it was a fast boot issue. I'd shut down windows and boot Linux and WiFi wouldn't work. A restart would fix it. With fast boot, windows doesn't actually shut down, it's more like a hibernate state. So the driver or whatever it's called was being held by the widows partition and wouldn't respond to another kernal.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I think windows does shut down, but the hardware in your computer does not, and so when booting linux, the hardware does not start with a fresh slate. It's not reinitialized, keeping configuration and possibly custom firmware from the other OS.
    interestingly, it also means malware could also escape a reboot this way.. and for the network adapter, maybe it doesn't even need to be compatible with linux to work.

    what you mean though is the fast startup setting of windows. that does hibernate the computer as you say, after it logs out the user.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    You are correct. Fast startup used to be called fast boot, hence my confusion. And it looks like the current state of windows is saved in nonvolatile for fast startup, which I would consider not being fully shutdown, but that's probably semantics at that point.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    My first Linux issue was that it didn’t support the USB hub I had at the time that was just always plugged into the windows machine I was installing Linux onto. So in 2003, I took my bulky tower to a friends house and it booted on the first try after weeks of failures trying on my own at home.
    I was both relieved, and incredibly annoyed.

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  • In a pinch you can tether your phone through USB and use its Wi-Fi.

    If you have an old router lying around, you might be able to set it up as a repeater and then plug into it with Ethernet. That's what I did for a while when my computer's Wi-Fi was unreliable.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    After both the 4G modem and the wifi dongles didn't work I decided to flash an old TP-link router with OpenWRT (or was it DDWRT?) and using that in a bridge mode connected wifi and via ethernet to the PC. So yeah, then I got an Intel wifi 6 NIC and gave the router away.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    Some distros have crusty old kernels/firmware and thus lack optimal support to boot lol.

    Anyway even with Qualcomm Wi-Fi 7, it was not great even a month back. πŸ™„

    I had to rebase to Bazzite-Testing and back to Bazzite-Stable a few times..... Ended up pinning an older testing image for a while to keep working wifi while Fedora upstream fixed their crap.

    The joy of Atmoic made that super simple and painless I'll say.

    Rolling back updates on tradish distros can be painful to the point of reinstall sometimes lol.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I personally would avoid Wifi 7 or anything newer. It takes a while to develop kernel support and it will be a bad experience. Wifi 7 support was only finished in the last year or two and it is going to be buggy.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    This.

    Don't expect the brand new gear to work on Linux. It takes a while for the neckbeards to get access and write the drivers.

    Heck, even new gear from companies that contribute their own drivers can be shaky.

    I'm sorry, but for desktop, Linux can't be relied on as stable for early gear adoption. Usually even the specs are in limbo still.

    This is coming from a linux/bsd only user for many years.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    As someone that spent a lot of years sitting next to an IT help desk, I'm not sure any chipsets work well at all. A lot of times you just have to figure out what makes them happy and get used to it.

    I'd hear things like "as long as I don't close my laptop after I undock, i don't have to reboot to fix the wifi" as the person waddled across the office propping their laptop open. And these were high end windows laptops.

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  • [–] [S] 23 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    Realtek. I was reading that many Realtek chipsets cause intermittent wifi drops, and that since they're pretty inexpensive, it's simpler to just get one that works. So, I went with another company that advertises as Linux compatible out of the box, plugged it in, checked it with 'lsusb', and saw the exact same Realtek chipset that my old one has.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Realtek is just ass in general. I avoid them like the plague.

    They're OK in windows, but I have never had a good experience with them on Linux.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    It sounds like you're not alone, and it's what I was trying to do too! I just didn't pay close enough attention to the specs on my new adapter, lol

    Lesson learned.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Realtek cards are trash on BSD too.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Not sure if you have the same problem or not, but I had intermittent jitter spikes (and/or complete package drops) every 60 seconds on my Realtek chipset, ran:

    sudo iw dev wlan0 set power_save off

    And it's been stable since (just had to make a udev rule to make it persistent across boot)

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    No, very old. A lot of the hardware is from 2013.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Realtek only started to develop drivers in the upstream Linux kernel relatively recently, 5 years or so, and only for what was then the newest chipset. Something 88 and two letters but not 88 and other letters (I think CE).

    Does Intel WIFI still exist? If so, that is what is probably the best supported chipset.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I have a Mediatek MT7921K, it's using the mt7921e driver, 3 years ago the chip was new I think and not well supported in linux (problem with init/sleep/resume) but a lot of people fixed it, and mediatek released new firmware, and the driver is rock solid for about 3 years now, I'm using it on my daily driver working PC 8h/day, 0 problem, and use a BLE keyboard and trackball too.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I gave up on the built-in mediatek wifi chip in my motherboard and just pulled the dedicated wifi card from my old pc. I'm on ethernet now, but man troubleshooting that was not fun.

    I even ordered a new chip, which, of course, never showed up.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Are all mediatek's horrible? I've got one in my desktop but it's just terrible. Randomly crashes my whole pc after a while. And the only way to fix it is to cmos reset the motherboard. It's forever disabled in the bios now, which also means no Bluetooth sadly. Just wondering if I had bad luck or to always avoid them.

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  • Basically yes.

    But thankfully they are equal-opportunity ass and suck on all platforms, not just Linux. I'm on bazzite rn because I couldnt get the bluetooth on either fedora OR ubuntu to work at full speed. Granted, my machine is very new, but like. I'm still getting that occasional issue where a bt device connects and the whole system lags.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Man that reminds me that I bought a Chinese motherboard to build my homelab and installed Debian. Great! One kernel upgrade later and my network card stopped working. Tried a lot of things but to preserve my mental health and to enjoy my jellyfin again, I just returned to the older kernel and voilΓ‘, everything worked again..so no updates for now ...or ever

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Have you ever compiled your own kernel? Could be the upgraded version doesn't enable a module your motherboard needed or something. A fairly simple test would be to compile thw kernel with everything enabled as a module and use that

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I did it once but I remember not being able to judge if I needed all the modules or what to flag on each line I saw. I tried to load the module this time after the upgrade but without success. Maybe I'll try someday if I get the time..

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Sounds like a rockchip board like orangepi haha. It's funny because they actually have some killer hardware, but documentation on kernel drivers and DTB boot chain is sketchy at best.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Same happened with me and a USB video capture card I bought specifically for Debian Linux compatibility. One kernel upgrade later… doesn't work. Try again on old kernel? Works. I'll probably try in a few months, but I can't be bothered now.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Similar thing happened to me a while back, though the new one was just as much of a pain. So anyway, there is now a new, RJ45-shaped, hole in my wall.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The modem chipset everywhere are a CPU in its own and a black box at that.

    In your case it might go to sleep occasionally.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It did seem pretty consistent timing-wise. This is very possible.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Had the same problem while dual booting. Was a realtek chipset. Had a script to wake it up on booting or on disconnect. A hack I cobbled from internet lost to multiple hardware changes and multiple accidental wiping the whole computer.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    if you use windows too, I remember from way back that windows made my network card to go to sleep(or some powersave move) at the windows shutdown, that make linux have issue with it.

    I don't remember what the exact issue was but I remember it was windows doing it at its shutdown to save power, because pcie network card can stay awake even with pc off so that computer can be woke up via network ('Shutdown Wake-On-Lan' or a 'Wake on Magic Packet') windows made the card go to sleep and linux didn't wake it up.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The Teacher in me has to ask,"So, what have we learned from all this?"

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    πŸ˜‚ time to build your Linux from source!

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Driver issues then. Find GPL coder and ask them to fix the driver

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    These shit are so weird, breaks on windows works on Linux, doesn't work sometimes on boot and I have to restart my pc for it to work

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    You could try switching your wifi backend to iwd instead of wpa_supplicant.

    If you're using NetworkManager, then create the file /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/wifi_backend.conf, and add the following configuration:

    [device]
    wifi.backend=iwd
    
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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If it's periodically dropping, I doubt that it's going to be the userspace WiFi backend. I'd be more-inclined to blame either the driver or an (unlabeled) hardware variation.

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