i wish this was fake https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1958854561579638960 oh my fucking god

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[–] 342 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Only such an idiot can think that pushing 2 updates a day is a good idea.

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  • [–] 128 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Not to mention, the app is just the thing that calls the API to the server that runs the actual models, it's not a reflection on how quickly you're improving those models. In fact, there should be little reason to push a new app update once you've built it.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The reason is so Elon Musk can make his stupid chart implying that more production releases means better in someway.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    He's really done a great job at dispelling this image he had of being some kind of genius in the last couple of years.

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  • [–] 211 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    This is such a joke to anyone in tech. It’s like a Silicone Valley skit.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I know next to nothing about publishing an app and my alarm bells went off immediately

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  • [–] 57 points 1 year ago

    Here’s 2 faults:

    1. Most people push a build once a week, because making a stable build usually has an engineer combining people’s work, and sometimes there’s conflicts in the merge.
    2. If you have a lot of bugs, you may need to patch more frequently.

    Either way, it’s a bad look. Doing stable daily pushes is good in development, not in a live environment like this.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    I’m nowhere close to tech and this is obviously a bad sign. Imagine an apartment complex trying to get new tenants by advertising that they have plumbers and exterminators do work twice a day at various units.

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  • [–] 132 points 1 year ago

    Yeah and my company has the best dev team because we resolve all the critical incidents we cause by shipping buggy code.

    Some of these other loser companies don’t even have incidents!

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  • [–] 114 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Merge Request 1472: Add comment

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  • [–] 104 points 1 year ago

    Oh wow, Elon figured out how we'll finally get AGI. The key thing is to publish an automatic mobile client update every single hour of the day! That was the secret productivity metric that every single other company was missing. Thanks, big brain business boy!

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  • [–] 104 points 1 year ago

    Lol equating your busted as fuck code that needs constant patching with growth. Gonna keep that around for my own metrics. Yeah boss this is the 9th hotfix to prod this week! Think where we'll be next month, things are going awesome!

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  • [–] 90 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I can make bullshit graphs based on meaningless numbers too. 🤷‍♂️

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  • [–] 79 points 1 year ago

    does it count as an "update" every time elon fucks with it to push some fresh nazi shit?

    what a meaningless measure. why don't i update this app one byte at a time? i can say it's massively outpacing the competition by updating 20 thousand times in the last 4 minutes while the competition updated ZERO times, which means we're literally INFINITELY faster and by the end of the year we will have released millions of new versions.

    he's so monumentally stupid

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  • [–] 74 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    "My codebase is way better because it has 300x as many lines of code" - that fucking moron, probably

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    I have to admit though, getting two app updates per day through the Apple review process is an achievement. (He probably paid them.)

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Minor updates for bugfixes don’t require a real store review.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Any update that hits the App Store and increments a version number goes through the Apple review process.

    Certain updates can be done on the fly with custom or third party solutions like https://ionic.io/docs/appflow/deploy/intro

    But this graph doesn’t make it clear if these updates are new binary app deployments or on the fly updates

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah, I haven’t done it in like 8 months so I think I was conflating Code Push with App Store updates. I do think that apps get treated differently based on the priority of the company and there is some judgement used in the scope of changes. Like I wouldn’t be surprised if Grok is never subject to the random review delays just cuz no one wants to deal with Elon throwing a tantrum

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Yeah I'm the lead mobile engineer at my company. We release bigger updates once a month and smaller hotfixes generally weekly or biweekly. For smaller updates we get approval in around 6 hours. They also have a way to expedite reviews in which case we've gotten like 30 minute turnaround on reviews (though that’s like boy that cried wolf, only use it if you need to push something really urgent)

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  • [–] 52 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    The man knows about production manufacturing more than anyone else in the world

    /s

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Incredibly misleading and/or stupid graphs are so funny to me. Because you ship out the most updates, doesn't mean it's the best, it means youre fixing and/or generating more bugs and issues.

    Yeah, I updated my minecraft mod 20 times in a week, it doesn't mean it's a stellar mod, it's less than mediocre at best. It was primarily fixing bugs and a crash. Meanwhile the Create mod updates about once every three weeks or so on average, but that's because they properly playtest and bugfix and patch and do all that before they send out an actual update.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Two weeks is also such a random and unimpressive statistic.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    It's generally the length of short sprints (blocks of time where some tasks have been estimated/committed for)

    If you're deploying a new version more frequently than that it's usually either putting out fires & hot fixing, or someone fucked up the pipeline and now any commit will immediately be deployed straight to prod

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  • [–] 44 points 1 year ago

    If I continue pissing at the rate I’m currently pissing I will have a reservoir of piss within weeks.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 year ago

    I knew the Apartheid shithead was dumb as fuck, but even "as fuck" isn't that dumb...

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  • [–] 81 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    On the contrary, the rate of mobile app updates being high is more of a red flag of an app development team not having the situation under control, being forced to panic-ship fixes.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Why? I genuinely think that daily delivery in my field (b2b specialized software) would be a very good practice. Why in mobile apps it's not the truth?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's a bit different with mass market mobile applications because of the supply chain constraints - most notably the Apple reviewing process. Your next app release may for whatever reason they feel like unexpectedly take an additional week, so do ensure that your QA is in order before releasing.

    Another significant factor is the lack of control you have over the software once released - any bugs you ship may potentially be out there for a long, long time.

    Web applications don't have these constraints and can as such be deployed an infinite amount of times per day. The same goes for backend services, deploy to your hearts content.

    This basically means that most larger mobile applications have adopted approximately weekly release cadences, and that we've had to get very good at using feature flagging to control our software in the wild, and avoid large impact of shipped bugs.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Because the rate is more a sign of how often problems are found, rather than how many better new things you are applying.

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago

    Turns out AI-written software needs lots of patches to keep up.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago

    The Nextdoor app updates every two weeks. OpenAI should be worried.

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    This is why there are a bunch of improvished people adding nonsense updates to git repositories, padding out their resume out of desperation.

    It's hard to blame them trying to climb their way out of poverty, but it does harm the people trying to do work.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Aren't the front ends for these basically chat interfaces that mostly don't change?

    What are they doing so much

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Because their boss is an idiot who will yell at them if they don’t.

    If you pay by the update, devs will update their way to a nice payday .

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    pay by the update

    Uh, how do you imagine that would work? Are you saying this is contract work?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Nah. It’s most likely not that direct. If the boss makes it clear that they measure productivity by blindly adhering to some dumb metric (number of updates , kloc, number of bugfixes) then the devs will find a way to max out that stat, to get bonuses, promos, etc.

    As much as the author has shown his ass, this is the classic comic that comes to mind https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/k5hka0/bug_free_programs_a_dilbert_classic/

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago*

    Why would you need to update the app? It should all run on their servers. This is indicative of poor and buggy app design.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Since when does the update of the frontend equate to a better, more accurate, more efficient backend?

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago

    I think it's because grok ships the most bugs, so they have to ship the most patches.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I just assume anything he says is either a lie or hallucination

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    iOS appstore app testers hate him!

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    It's evolving!

    *pokemon evolution music*

    Dumbfuck became... Dumbfuckwad!

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Git commit -m "comments and grammar"

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    20+ updates of racist shit and fake news from facebook don't count

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    Fuck he's so stupid

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Having to do the most amount of bug fixes for the app (that does not run the AI itself) is not the flex you think it is

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago*

    It just has more vibe-coding bugs than the rest.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago

    jfc this guy is such a moron

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    He knows exactly what he's saying and he knows his dumb followers will buy it...

    The fact that most people only skim-read what they scroll through helps him as well. People won't even stop to process what they actually read. With this tweet he's basically selling his followers a feeling.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    No, he really is that stupid and clueless. How do you still not see that?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I'll be the first to admit that I fell for his (initially) near perfect PR that crafted the industry genius image he's still coasting on to this day. Of course that took a nosedive when he started calling a rescuer "pedo" for pointing out the stupidity of his rescue submarine idea. But it wasn't until he started talking about IT that I finally started to understand he wasn't an average CEO manipulating public opinion to his advantage, but an absolute moron who actually never had any idea of what he was talking about. Yes the dude is that stupid, but good PR is actually hard to completely take down.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Yeah, taking bolt cutters to a colo to forcibly remove half of Twitter's redundancy was a breaking the camel's back moment. He really thinks grandiose metaphorical displays like carrying a sink with him to a new job are more important than actually producing anything.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    The fact that your webwrapper frontend app, which could just as easily not exist and the core product will still work with 100% functionality, has up be updated so frequently is actually a bad thing, Elon. It means your developers can't code for shit. Probably because they're using Grok to code Grok.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Now that's quality shitpost by Elon "Dumbass" Musk.

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  • wow its getting dumber faster than the other companies what an achievement

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  • Some underling must've whipped up that graphic in a desperate attempt to find good news so E-lawn wouldn't feed him to the dogs. Worked a little too well and now the emperor is strutting around in all his exhibitionistic finery.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    so called not see updates

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    If only the reddish bar is for "Number of iOS App Updates (Last 2 Weeks)", what are the other bars?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This is nothing new. Workers trying to fake productivity to fool the capitalists, no matter for what reason capitalists think they deserve.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    No, this is the capitalist trying to convince customers (investors) that they have more capital than the other capitalists. Nothing about this has anything to do with workers.

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