the welsh are fish

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[+] 46 points 1 year ago (11 children)
  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I think the even more nuanced answer is that “fish” is not a scientific category so comparing it to mammals makes no sense.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Got it , got it... writes in margin

    Ichthyology ≠ Science

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish

    In a break from the long tradition of grouping all fish into a single class (''Pisces''), modern phylogenetics views fish as a paraphyletic group.

    Paraphyly is a taxonomic term describing a grouping that consists of the grouping's last common ancestor and some but not all of its descendant lineages. The grouping is said to be paraphyletic with respect to the excluded subgroups. In contrast, a monophyletic grouping (a clade) includes a common ancestor and all of its descendants.

    This is in contrast to the class Mammalia which is a complete clade.

    In other words, I could make up a branch of science called foobarthology that studies Jurassic raptors, whales, and the Rock Dove, but that doesn’t mean those things are related, or a ‘true’ scientific group of their own. It just means I put them together for some other reason, either cause it’s easier for the requirements of the job, or I wanted to, or many other reasons including historical.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Whales aren’t fish, they’re whales. There is no such thing as a fish.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    I don’t know how many times I have to say this, I AM NOT A FISH! I am a regular tasty human, and frankly I’m growing real tired of these targeted attacks. You people are ridiculous. I won’t swi-STAND! Y-we stand. I won’t stand for this!

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Guys I think this guy might be a fish

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Guys, I think this guy might be a HUGE JERK FACE!

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Dunno mate, seems like a dragon to me.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    A dragon with a jerk for a face.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (1 child)


    or something, I'm not a biologist

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    [–] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Broke: Whales are fish because they look like other fish

    Woke: Whales aren't fish because they're in the class Mammalia, not Pisces

    Bespoke: Whales are fish because any monophyletic group that encompasses all the fishes must also include the clade Tetrapoda

    Artichoke: Whales aren't fish because fishes are a paraphyletic group that includes the entire clade Vertebrata at the exclusion of the clade Tetrapoda.

    Stick and Poke: Whales are fish because they've developed the same bodyplan and are in the same ecological niche as the pelagic fishes.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Look all I'm saying is Hank Green agrees with me that whales are fish.

    https://youtu.be/-C3lR3pczjo?si=mbgIkIDQPcpp44dV

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Hank Green is great but good god the adhd runs strong in that one. Watch some of his vlogbrothers videos and count the number of cuts. It's like watching Liam Neeson jump a fence.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    As one of the horde of neurodivergent folks that love Hank's content, Ikind of need it this way. Chris Boden is another one. Long, still, static shots, just punch me right in the attention span and are hard to get through. It takes way more effort than the occasional jump-cut to pull off.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    You can't fool me. I've read Moby Dick and Melville dedicated an entire chapter about how whales are absolutely fish

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Cladistically speaking, whales are just a big colony of eukaryotic clones.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I know a doctor of marine biology who disagrees with your assessment.

    Everyone that doesn't revel in their fishness is a coward or worse, a creationist.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I don't know how anyone could read Moby Dick and not come away convinced of their obvious fishness. Surely one's nature and behavior are more important than one's reproductive organs.

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  • whales are fish because they successfully went back to the ocean and i'm jealous

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    No, but seriously, why did this become so common? It seems like the internet learnt a new word and is just rolling with it.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Well, yea that. I know Hank Green likes to bring it up and he’s popular, and it’s come up with a bunch of other content creators, too. It’s fun, technically true, and enough people don’t know it yet so it’s great to bring up in the real world.

    Plus it’s super cool to explain how our eyes are built for the ocean and they had to get a special lens on top to fix it. Or how we carry the sea with us in the form of all this salty water. Or the whole swimbladder/lungs/guts thing relationship I mean they’re all quite fun, really.

    I also like explaining that octopuses are molluscs and, because we say that molluscs have one “foot”, it’d be more appropriate to say that octopuses are really just going around the world with eight funky toes and not eight arms.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Didn't know that octopus came from the molluscs branch. Even more surprising that they at a smart as they are.

    Never gave any thought to were they branched off, but them being advanced slugs is crazy.

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    [–] 5 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Whales are mammals. How is the dude on the right even being pedantic and not just outright dumb?

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    "Fish" isn't a real type of animal, it's a term of convenience for similar looking/acting things that humans have lumped together.

    Its taking that back to the medieval level of "whales are fish"... Which ignores that key difference of them breathing air and not having gills.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    There isn't a simple evolutionary definition of "fish", not the same way there is for, say, mammals. If you found the common ancestor of everything we call a mammal and said "everything descended from this one is also a mammal", you'd be correct. If you did that for everything we call fish, every animal in the world would be a fish. Also, we decided which animals were fish mostly on vibes, so without a clear definition you can pedantically argue that everything is a fish including mammals.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    "BuT thEy aRe iN ThE sAmE tReE oN thE fUnnY ChArT!!!1!!1"

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Generally not but some fish (Whaleshark) can be confused with a whale.

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