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[–] 174 points 1 year ago (59 children)

wow so sad, it's almost like they started multiple wars or something

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  • [–] 51 points 1 year ago (57 children)

    I feel terrible for every citizen killed or made homeless/jobless because of this.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    If they voted for Netanyahu they asked for it, and I have no sympathy.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    The rest would do the same.
    As they always have proven their entire miserable history.
    Singling out Netanyahoo is Bernie the sheepdog's tactics of dammage control

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Blaming the government in power and those who put them in power for the actions taken by the government is totally reasonable.

    You're suggesting well "what about a hypothetical government that doesn't exist huh?". That doesn't matter. They don't exist. Blame the government

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Every government before him was the same, they're not 'hypothetical'. Ridiculous argument.
    What doesn't exist is a reality where the next government isn't brutally mistreating Palestine.
    Your hasbara is weak

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Israel didn't become an apartheid genocidal occupation of Palestinian land under Netanyahu. It's has been since its founding.

    You're suggesting we close our eyes and pretend their entire history doesn't matter, that we just blame the current figurehead and his (variable but typically increasingly few) direct supporters.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Well I'm glad all of your elected officials represent your views and morals.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    The majority of Israelis supports the genocide of the Palestinians according to surveys and more than half of jewish Israelis support attacking Iran even without US support.

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  • [+] 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    The majority of the world is critical of ALL Americans now for Trump, he was elected twice, thant's on them all. Israelis have expressed majority support for this ongoing genocide and attacks on Iran, this is on them all. Bomb a soverign nation "pre emptively" get bombed back.

    Fuck the entire Israeli government and anyone who supports it.

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  • [+] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    What a moronic comparison. Fuck the zionist bastard Israelis and fuck the Iranian regime. But Fuck the Israeli zionists more.

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  • [+] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Where did I mention it's ok to kill civilians? Are you as outraged at the tens of thousands of dead civilians in Gaza? When a country attacks a sovereign nation, they should expect retaliation. When the majority of that country backs genocide, I don't feel too much empathy.

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  • [+] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Iran targetted military structures based in Tel Aviv, much like Israels claims, some collateral damage will happen. I am Lebanese and have lived through two Israeli wars on Lebanon, the 82 invasion and the 2006 July war. Israel targets journalists and medics and civilians constantly as I have witnessed first hand. I don't condone attacks on civilians, but when Israel is involved I have zero empathy. I used to, but now zero. I couldn't care less if the entire Israeli popluation live in shelters for decades until they behave like a normal country. They cannot tout being a democracy anymore and the wests support for Israel is disgusting.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    Fun fact: every citizen of the entity is considered a reservist so there ARE no civilians! If you're a settler you're a valid target no matter what!

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Idk man. If you’re a child, a unhoused, or a otherwise a person without the economic means to leave because your ancestors were settlers and you just so happened to be born in the colonized land, I’d consider you a civilian. I think your view is too black and white.

    Screw you if you’re a deliberate Zionist benefiting from genocide though.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Israelis aren't walled in and prevented from leaving like Palestinians are in Gaza.

    Israelis have no practical excuse to continue their occupation, especially when everyone is forced to serve in the IDF to actively aid the occupation rather than just passively.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    As long as they are not on active duty, they shouldn't be targets. And if they are forced to serve, they should still only be killed if they are an active threat. Normally, they should first be offered to surrender.

    Hope you're acting ironic and do not actually call to genocide all Jews in Israel.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    No, but all Israelis that are zionists maybe.

    Zionists are not Jewish people, they are actually against Judaism.

    I believe it's the Talmud that says Israel cannot exist until the messiah returns. This is why you have many religious Jews in the US against the state of Israel.

    Zionists are the one and only antisemites.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Zionists are mostly Jews, but Jews are mostly not Zionists.

    But yes, according to Talmud, Israel shouldn't exist.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    There are more Christian Zionists than there are Jews in total.

    "Zionists are mostly Jews" is an objectively false statement.

    Maybe specifically in Israel the statement could be seen as true, but that's only because Israel is a jewish settler ethnostate, so most of almost any grouping would be a majority Jews.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    Hope you're acting ironic by saying that you can commit a genocide, put your gun over the fireplace you murdered a family to steal, and suddenly not be a valid target.

    It doesn't matter if you put your gun down as a settler colonizer. You're still actively engaging in the genocide. You are still a valid target.

    And the objective of any just war is to expel you.

    Normally, they should first be offered to surrender.

    Get on a plane and go home. No one's stopping you. That's your opportunity.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    How are you engaging in genocide if you do not take part in the war? And especially if you denounce the actions of your government? Is being born in Israel enough to be seen as a genocidal maniac?

    I swear this "settler" discourse is gonna drive me crazy at some point.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    How can you call me a robber just because I accepted all of these stolen goods that were stolen specifically for me to have?

    Shut the fuck up holy god

    Good. Go crazy. Shut the fuck up.

    Is being born in Israel enough to be seen as a genocidal maniac?

    If you join the IDF yes it fucking is. And why are you acting like this is something that happened at the dawn of history? These are not people who were born there. These are people who settled there because they were told they could murder people and steal their homes. Stop making ahistoric excuses for fucking fascists, you fucking fascist piece of shit.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    In no way to be a snob, but could we tone it down? After all, we're mostly on the same page on that the state of Israel is committing war crimes, we only differ in who we blame for it.

    Back to the substance:

    First, Israel as an independent state exists since 1948, so yes, the absolute majority of people living in modern day Israel were born there; they are not the same people who came to displace Palestinians all those decades ago.

    Second, I did not talk about IDF soldiers. Those who voluntarily joined Israeli armed forces do take part in an act of evil, and deserve to be judged. I do not support the same notion in respect to Israeli civilians and those on mandatory service.

    Third, in your robber hypothetical, where are the Israeli civilians? Do they have to renounce their citizenship and go live abroad not to receive "stolen goods"? Someone who is opposed to the war taking place are not "robbers" here.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    First, Israel as an independent state exists since 1948, so yes, the absolute majority of people living in modern day Israel were born there

    Mind palace nonsense. Fuck you just saying shit so confidently. 50% of the jewish population emigrated since 2000.

    Second, I did not talk about IDF soldiers. Those who voluntarily joined Israeli armed forces do take part in an act of evil, and deserve to be judged. I do not support the same notion in respect to Israeli civilians and those on mandatory service.

    Literally learn the first fucking thing about the subject you're talking about before you open your dumb fucking mouth about it. Not even going to help you here. Shut up. Sit down. Listen. Read. But most importantly shut the fuck up.

    hypothetical

    Fucking nazi genocide denial

    Someone who is opposed to the war taking place are not “robbers” here.

    Again just speaking out of pure fucking mind palace ignorance. The jewish population of Isn'treal almost unanimously supports the extermination of the palestinians. You are arguing pure rhetoric outside of reality. That's why it's so important that you shut the fuck up

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    You know what you call someone who remains placid and unphased in the face of a genocide?

    A Nazi.

    Most of your points can be readily disproved

    A Nazi that believes The Secret works on reality retroactively

    Wonder how you easily disprove the genocide denial you committed in this thread...?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I don’t want to talk ethics, but as a rule of thumb, winning a war is easier if you take out strategic targets than if you target civilians. Targeting civilians is what you do if your weapons aren’t precise enough to target tanks/planes etc.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    Shouldn't be a citizen on stolen land.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    Don't think they care much. Or about anything except themselves for that matter.
    The most navel staring country on the planet

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    The reason the US supports Israel is exactly because Israel is a settler-colony. They're part of the same genocidal settler project, Zionism is Manifest Destiny.

    If landback wins in Israel the ones paying attention know that it's coming for them too.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    It's also a geographically beneficial located proxy.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    But they didn't have to make a colony of European settlers to do that, did they? Egypt is a loyal collaborator with the US and it fulfills the same geostrategic goals, but the amount of support Egypt gets pales in comparison to Israel. Why is that?

    We can't dismiss the ideological importance of Israel. The unlimited support of the 51st state is exactly because it is a settler-colony.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    I don't see many ethnic Egyptians in places of power that can influence policy or get laws voted concerning their country.
    Egypt hasn't always been loyal, certainly not the population.
    They overthrew the previous puppet despite US efforts to keep him in place.
    When they saw it was hopeless they threw him under the bus and 'supported' the arab spring movement.
    In reality they hijacked the revolution and simply put another puppet in place.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Settler-colonialism isn't just about who is in power (although it is about that). That's just regular colonialism, like French Algeria.

    Settler-colonialism is about importing settlers to replace the indigenous population while enacting genocidal policies to exterminate or expell the indigenous population. Egypt isn't experiencing that.

    That's why Egypt doesn't get the level of support that Israel does.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

    This belief that Israel is a US controlled proxy has always vexed me.
    So-- honest question here-- From inside the US it appears that our entire political apparatus is controlled by a relatively small sprinkling of zionists doing whatever is good for Israel and is inevitably bad for the US-- going all the way back to the Nakba. But theres always people (like yourself) on Lemmy and Reddit claiming Israel is a US creature under US control for US gain.

    As an American my free speech ends and I get prosecuted if I say anything anti semitic. I CAN say racist things about anyone else, all I want as long as I dont start a riot.

    Can you tell me why you are so certain zionism is controlled by the US (your understanding), not the US by rich zionists (my understanding)?

    edit: Did you just ..downvote and run away from the question? It was an honest question.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    The US and Israel have a partnership.
    While the zionist representation is very visible in US politics and creates the belief that they contol it it is not so.
    Can you honestly believe that if you objectively compare the two?
    A tiny country with a small population and a small army (despite again being disproportionally and relatively big) vs a huge country with the largest military in the world that was already a world power before the other even existed.

    " doing whatever is good for Israel and is inevitably bad for the US"
    Can you give an example?

    If you're thinking now that the bad thing is israel may drag the US into war with Iran you're mistaken.
    That may happen but it's bcs it is the US intention to have war on Iran.
    They have provoked them many times all on their own without using the israel proxy.
    Hijacking ships, small attacks and unilaterally breaking the nuclear deal, etc. to increase tension.

    Anyway here's a good article I recently read.
    Whatever is happening now has long been predicted.

    "Did you just …downvote and run away from the question? It was an honest question."

    I sometimes sleep, and never run away from a discussion if it's civil or useful.
    Which is rare here since .world is infested with reactionary clowns throwing insults and platitutes when they lose an argument.

    Let me know what you think.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

    examples of whats good for Israel being bad for the US:

    Our aligning with Israel during the Yom Kipur war (6 day war) caused Oil prices to quadruple, which caused a decade of turmoil in the US, and almost incalculable damage to our currency. And it never really recovered to a natural pattern. The US runs on oil.

    https://www.macrotrends.net/1369/crude-oil-price-history-chart See that massive bump up in 1973? I dont suppose you are old enough to remember interest rates in the 80s are you? it peaked at 21.5%. Thats catastrophic damage to the average US persons purchasing power. Wages didnt keep up with costs-- not even close. The Israeli's colonial war cost the US our middle class and created a massive underclass. We all paid for their war, that they claim was preemptive and unavoidable, and not their fault (just like their attack on Iran today).

    And what was our reward for that? Did we gain any political leverage at all in that region? Bases? soft power? No. No we didnt. all we got was some of the blame for the Nakba, and some of the blame for the ridiculous levels persecution and murder of the Palestinian people. It was pure cost.

    1990-1991 Desert storm Israel badly wanted Sadam Hussein removed. Iraq said they invaded Kuwait because Kuwait was slant drilling into their oil fields, which is true and was known at the time to be true. So we invaded and rescued a bunch of literal thieves-- and coincidentally destroyed a potent adversary of Israel. What did we gain? anything? Two air bases, and thats about it, at great cost. The government or Iraq is barely more friendly to us that they were before. I suppose we got CENTCOM established in Kuwait. So thas not nothing, but its darn close to nothing. Israel got a major enemy removed for them. They didnt join in desert storm-- and did not allow overflight of their territory during it. They are not, and never have been a real military ally. They court Russia as much as they do the US. Same as India.

    9/11/2001. Bin Laden says he attacked the world trade centers in new york to bring US public eyes to the plight of the Palestinian people that their government was facilitating, but that Americans had no idea about. And what did our people do? Our government idiotically claimed "they hated us for our freedoms", and made a big show about not blaming all muslims, just some. What was America's gain there? And when the attack happened, Israelis in New York and Israel were caught on tape literally cheering about it and filming it.

    Bin Ladens interview with PBS: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/binladen/who/miller.html "The American imposes himself on everyone. Americans accuse our children in Palestine of being terrorists--those children, who have no weapons and have not even reached maturity. At the same time, Americans defend a country, the state of the Jews, that has a policy to destroy the future of these children."

    Obviously no one condones or support what Bin Laden did, but lets be clear eyed in our foreign policy: was he incorrect in any way in his statement? I dont see how we can honestly say he was not being earnest -- to his point of view anyway. 9/11 and its outcomes would seem to be a massive, massive, massive cost to the United states in terms of hard power and soft, and added tremendously to our national debt burden. We have the TSA exactly because of Israel's murderous colonial adventurism. What of we'd simply show the muslim world the diplomatic respect of equals from the start? And he was right, zionism IS a policy of displacing the locals from their land however possible. Thats all it is. Its racist theft and murder. Its not self defense or justice, and it never has been.

    And that brings us to today. We're literally sponsoring a genocide of innocents, for Israel's benefit. Its one of the most illegal and immoral things a country can possibly do.

    The world HATES the US because of our stand with Israel. They now see us as almost as bad as Israel. Stupid. Easily manipulated. A global problem. This is as we have also been the main contributor to food aid and the stability of trade across the planet. Thats a cost. And what have we gotten out of it? Our funding of free weapons for shenangans and murder, and our vetoing every resolution that is about peace and justice in the region for Israeli gain costs us dearly. It makes every American traveler unsafe and unwelcome, and makes people not want to trade with us or listen to our opinions. It is destroying the concepts of democracy and the rules based order, and the concept os the western world itself. The world is ditching the dollar. I hope its all worth it for Israel to finish their genocide of innocents, who today have nothing. They are doing it for beachfront condos. They will not be any more secure after this.

    And what does the US population gain for our support? Its not for any philosophical or moral reason, obviously. Israelis literally spit on christians they see in the street-- is that what friends and long term allies do? Does it indicate a "partnership"? What exactly does Israel provide to the US beyond campaign bribes through AIPAC? Intel on their enemies?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    You're really shifting blame here and misrepresenting history.
    The US has done plenty of scumbaggery including some you put in pisrahells shoes.
    That's why they hate you and it's well deserved.
    You caused infinitely more deaths and miserythan the little coloniser entity.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    No answer for any of it so you just deny all of it. So you're following hasbara patterns after all. Thats disappointing. Well at least we all know and you can stop pretending. Progress, at the cost of wasting a lot of my time.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    ok? and your positions are clearly indefensible and hollow, to the point that you wont even begin to defend them beyond resorting to ad-homs. So you can just do the cowards walk of shame right on out of this conversation and go bore someone else with your tantrum.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You are the one from the coward country invariably bombing weddings from far away.
    Can't explain anything to someone who's american dumb and had crappy propagandised education and news on his banana republic.
    Waste of time, like explaining quantum theorie to a dog.
    Enjoy yor shithole, now fuck off

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Uh huh. Except none of what I listed is as complex and theoretical as quantum theory.

    You're just using that comparison as a dodge because you have no answer to what I laid out. 50 years of the US being continually shafted and getting nothing from our "partnership" with zionists has been a disaster for the US and it has to stop.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I don't. I only feel terrible for the ones who were opposed to these attacks on other countries. Most of them (if the statistics I've seen are to be believed) support the actions, so they deserve the consequences. Maybe these people dying horrifically will finally make others consider the value of lives.

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  • [–] [S] 51 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Small bombardement video. Allegedly on Israeli ministry of defence: https://xcancel.com/Haqiqatjou/status/1933592695680680198

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  • [–] 271 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This is HORRIBLE! WHY can't Iran just let Israel Bomb Them in PEACE? IRAN IS ANTI SEMETIC!

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  • [–] 68 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Went to the toilet and missed this one please do another

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  • [–] 85 points 1 year ago

    fucking trigger happy Netanyahu should be publicly dragged behind a chariot until he dies for his genocidal crimes and bringing the world to the brink of third world war.

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  • [+] 101 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Let's see military objects used against Gaza and Iran getting destroyed. Do not raze countries to the ground.

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  • [–] 95 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Oh poor Israel thought Iron Dome will protect them. Iran learned a lot from Ukraine. Drones in masses are enough to penetrate the shield. And don’t forget that the Iron Dome costs Israel 1 billion USD for each night in full defence mode. It only takes a couple of days, weeks until the Iron Dome is empty.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Where are you getting this $1B figure? It appears the main cost is rockets, which run about $50k per. $1B would account for launching 20,000 rockets. There are 10 batteries in Israel with at most 80 rockets each, so a maximum of 800 rockets. That means 25 reloads a day. Is it really burning through that many rockets daily or is there more to this?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I would assume that operational and logistics costs apply to this figure. Aka shipping and handling, which is never free.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    This. And all the repairs. Also we’re talking here about military stuff. You don’t use FedEx to ship that. Military personell + equipment is expensive as fuck. Efficiency is not of priority.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    Higher quality video of the impact: https://files.catbox.moe/aq8vmw.mp4

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    are we going to find out where the bombs fell, or are they going to arrest the journalists trying to figure what where the Iranians targeting.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Hope they can direct hit the devil himself next

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    This seems like a big deal

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago

    netanyahu approval rating is up among the israel population i bet

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  • [–] 49 points 1 year ago

    Talk about getting a small dose of your own medicine

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Thanks, Bibi.

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    May the entity crumble.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago

    About time they got a taste of their own medicine.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Great news hopefully we see more strikes on the bloodthirsty jizzrael, Iran has the right to defend itself, the fucking rat netanyahoo fled to Greece to avoid retaliation coward zionazi cunt

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If he's in the EU can he not get arrested? I thought there was an EU-wide arrest warrant in his name for war crimes? Or have I just made that up? I never double checked. It was something I've just thought existed. Obviously not..

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