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Direct hit in Tel Aviv (lemmy.ml)
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[–] 51 points 1 year ago (57 children)

I feel terrible for every citizen killed or made homeless/jobless because of this.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    If they voted for Netanyahu they asked for it, and I have no sympathy.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    The rest would do the same.
    As they always have proven their entire miserable history.
    Singling out Netanyahoo is Bernie the sheepdog's tactics of dammage control

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Every government before him was the same, they're not 'hypothetical'. Ridiculous argument.
    What doesn't exist is a reality where the next government isn't brutally mistreating Palestine.
    Your hasbara is weak

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Israel didn't become an apartheid genocidal occupation of Palestinian land under Netanyahu. It's has been since its founding.

    You're suggesting we close our eyes and pretend their entire history doesn't matter, that we just blame the current figurehead and his (variable but typically increasingly few) direct supporters.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Well I'm glad all of your elected officials represent your views and morals.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    The majority of Israelis supports the genocide of the Palestinians according to surveys and more than half of jewish Israelis support attacking Iran even without US support.

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  • [+] 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)
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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    The majority of the world is critical of ALL Americans now for Trump, he was elected twice, thant's on them all. Israelis have expressed majority support for this ongoing genocide and attacks on Iran, this is on them all. Bomb a soverign nation "pre emptively" get bombed back.

    Fuck the entire Israeli government and anyone who supports it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    What a moronic comparison. Fuck the zionist bastard Israelis and fuck the Iranian regime. But Fuck the Israeli zionists more.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Where did I mention it's ok to kill civilians? Are you as outraged at the tens of thousands of dead civilians in Gaza? When a country attacks a sovereign nation, they should expect retaliation. When the majority of that country backs genocide, I don't feel too much empathy.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Iran targetted military structures based in Tel Aviv, much like Israels claims, some collateral damage will happen. I am Lebanese and have lived through two Israeli wars on Lebanon, the 82 invasion and the 2006 July war. Israel targets journalists and medics and civilians constantly as I have witnessed first hand. I don't condone attacks on civilians, but when Israel is involved I have zero empathy. I used to, but now zero. I couldn't care less if the entire Israeli popluation live in shelters for decades until they behave like a normal country. They cannot tout being a democracy anymore and the wests support for Israel is disgusting.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    Fun fact: every citizen of the entity is considered a reservist so there ARE no civilians! If you're a settler you're a valid target no matter what!

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Idk man. If you’re a child, a unhoused, or a otherwise a person without the economic means to leave because your ancestors were settlers and you just so happened to be born in the colonized land, I’d consider you a civilian. I think your view is too black and white.

    Screw you if you’re a deliberate Zionist benefiting from genocide though.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Israelis aren't walled in and prevented from leaving like Palestinians are in Gaza.

    Israelis have no practical excuse to continue their occupation, especially when everyone is forced to serve in the IDF to actively aid the occupation rather than just passively.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    As long as they are not on active duty, they shouldn't be targets. And if they are forced to serve, they should still only be killed if they are an active threat. Normally, they should first be offered to surrender.

    Hope you're acting ironic and do not actually call to genocide all Jews in Israel.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    No, but all Israelis that are zionists maybe.

    Zionists are not Jewish people, they are actually against Judaism.

    I believe it's the Talmud that says Israel cannot exist until the messiah returns. This is why you have many religious Jews in the US against the state of Israel.

    Zionists are the one and only antisemites.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    There are more Christian Zionists than there are Jews in total.

    "Zionists are mostly Jews" is an objectively false statement.

    Maybe specifically in Israel the statement could be seen as true, but that's only because Israel is a jewish settler ethnostate, so most of almost any grouping would be a majority Jews.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    Hope you're acting ironic by saying that you can commit a genocide, put your gun over the fireplace you murdered a family to steal, and suddenly not be a valid target.

    It doesn't matter if you put your gun down as a settler colonizer. You're still actively engaging in the genocide. You are still a valid target.

    And the objective of any just war is to expel you.

    Normally, they should first be offered to surrender.

    Get on a plane and go home. No one's stopping you. That's your opportunity.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    How are you engaging in genocide if you do not take part in the war? And especially if you denounce the actions of your government? Is being born in Israel enough to be seen as a genocidal maniac?

    I swear this "settler" discourse is gonna drive me crazy at some point.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    In no way to be a snob, but could we tone it down? After all, we're mostly on the same page on that the state of Israel is committing war crimes, we only differ in who we blame for it.

    Back to the substance:

    First, Israel as an independent state exists since 1948, so yes, the absolute majority of people living in modern day Israel were born there; they are not the same people who came to displace Palestinians all those decades ago.

    Second, I did not talk about IDF soldiers. Those who voluntarily joined Israeli armed forces do take part in an act of evil, and deserve to be judged. I do not support the same notion in respect to Israeli civilians and those on mandatory service.

    Third, in your robber hypothetical, where are the Israeli civilians? Do they have to renounce their citizenship and go live abroad not to receive "stolen goods"? Someone who is opposed to the war taking place are not "robbers" here.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    First, Israel as an independent state exists since 1948, so yes, the absolute majority of people living in modern day Israel were born there

    Mind palace nonsense. Fuck you just saying shit so confidently. 50% of the jewish population emigrated since 2000.

    Second, I did not talk about IDF soldiers. Those who voluntarily joined Israeli armed forces do take part in an act of evil, and deserve to be judged. I do not support the same notion in respect to Israeli civilians and those on mandatory service.

    Literally learn the first fucking thing about the subject you're talking about before you open your dumb fucking mouth about it. Not even going to help you here. Shut up. Sit down. Listen. Read. But most importantly shut the fuck up.

    hypothetical

    Fucking nazi genocide denial

    Someone who is opposed to the war taking place are not “robbers” here.

    Again just speaking out of pure fucking mind palace ignorance. The jewish population of Isn'treal almost unanimously supports the extermination of the palestinians. You are arguing pure rhetoric outside of reality. That's why it's so important that you shut the fuck up

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    You know what you call someone who remains placid and unphased in the face of a genocide?

    A Nazi.

    Most of your points can be readily disproved

    A Nazi that believes The Secret works on reality retroactively

    Wonder how you easily disprove the genocide denial you committed in this thread...?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I don’t want to talk ethics, but as a rule of thumb, winning a war is easier if you take out strategic targets than if you target civilians. Targeting civilians is what you do if your weapons aren’t precise enough to target tanks/planes etc.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    Shouldn't be a citizen on stolen land.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    USAmericans sweating rn 😬

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    Don't think they care much. Or about anything except themselves for that matter.
    The most navel staring country on the planet

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    The reason the US supports Israel is exactly because Israel is a settler-colony. They're part of the same genocidal settler project, Zionism is Manifest Destiny.

    If landback wins in Israel the ones paying attention know that it's coming for them too.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    It's also a geographically beneficial located proxy.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Uh huh. Except none of what I listed is as complex and theoretical as quantum theory.

    You're just using that comparison as a dodge because you have no answer to what I laid out. 50 years of the US being continually shafted and getting nothing from our "partnership" with zionists has been a disaster for the US and it has to stop.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    But they didn't have to make a colony of European settlers to do that, did they? Egypt is a loyal collaborator with the US and it fulfills the same geostrategic goals, but the amount of support Egypt gets pales in comparison to Israel. Why is that?

    We can't dismiss the ideological importance of Israel. The unlimited support of the 51st state is exactly because it is a settler-colony.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    I don't see many ethnic Egyptians in places of power that can influence policy or get laws voted concerning their country.
    Egypt hasn't always been loyal, certainly not the population.
    They overthrew the previous puppet despite US efforts to keep him in place.
    When they saw it was hopeless they threw him under the bus and 'supported' the arab spring movement.
    In reality they hijacked the revolution and simply put another puppet in place.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Settler-colonialism isn't just about who is in power (although it is about that). That's just regular colonialism, like French Algeria.

    Settler-colonialism is about importing settlers to replace the indigenous population while enacting genocidal policies to exterminate or expell the indigenous population. Egypt isn't experiencing that.

    That's why Egypt doesn't get the level of support that Israel does.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I don't. I only feel terrible for the ones who were opposed to these attacks on other countries. Most of them (if the statistics I've seen are to be believed) support the actions, so they deserve the consequences. Maybe these people dying horrifically will finally make others consider the value of lives.

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