In a battle between two Californians considering Democratic runs for president in 2028, Gov. Gavin Newsom holds a slight edge over former Vice President Kamala Harris, according to a new poll.

The poll, conducted by Politico and The Citrin Center public opinion firm, found Newsom is the top choice of 25% of California's Democratic voters in the 2028 Democratic primary, leading all prospective candidates including Harris, the 2024 Democratic nominee, who is supported by 19% of the state's Democrats.

The two high-profile Californians are followed in the poll by former Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg (13%), Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (10%), Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz (4%) and New Jersey U.S. Sen. Cory Booker (4%).

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[–] 84 points 1 year ago (16 children)

An Ocasio-Cortez / Walz ticket would be a dream come true. I believe Newsom is too much of a neoliberal and opportunist to actually begin to revert the US into a progressive state, and would ultimately cause someone like DeSantis to be elected afterwards.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    Waltz/AOC would have a much better chance of success since America is still pretty sexist.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    Dems should prove thsy by actually allowing a decent woman being the candidate

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Right now isn't the best time to try to prove a point.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yeah, because Hillary, Kamala, and AOC are all candidates of equal quality (women), and even considering a woman is a mistake, because as we all know, women shouldn't and can't try to become leaders in government.

    Libs are so fucking eager to surrender to misogyny. It is sickening.

    The problem isn't that the previous candidates were women, it was that everyone fucking hated them and their policies were monstrous.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Hillary, Kamala, and AOC

    What point are you trying to make? Because one of those is not like the other...

    Each of them is better than Trump, but Hillary and Harris are basically Republican light with shitty, shady pasts.

    They fucking managed to LOSE to fucking Trump that tells you all you need to know about them.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Sexism is more of a problem when you're trying to win over conservative voters....

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The dems who voted for Biden and stayed home for Harris were older white men/women and older Hispanic men.

    Those groups have issues with toxic masculinity and racism, implying the reason they stayed home was because the canidate with the same platform was not a white man like Biden.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Sounds kinda conservative to me 🤷 I'm just saying if you're a minority running for the office, don't pivot towards people who see your identity as an issue.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago*

    I just vomited a lot a bit...

    Edit: honestly I've been having this reaction a lot when hearing about neo liberals and fascists. The first part of your comment is my dream and the last part is feeling like the nightmare reality.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I don’t want newsom to run

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago

    A sack of potatoes tops Kamala Harris. She dropped out in 2020 because she would not pass the first round.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago

    Fuuuuck the DNC. I really hope that people actually vote in the primaries, if they actually happen, and we don't end up with another fucking corporate fellating Dem on the ticket for the general election. Then again, I don't want to hear about the goddamn next presidential election when the mid-terms are next in line.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I like what he's doing right now. Mocking drumpf using his own stupid style of tweets is absolutely perfect and really seems to get under the pedo/rapist's skin.

    But I am not sure about him running for the presidency. I mean yes he's better that the orange cancer... But can't we do better? We need better!

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Just to refresh memories, back in 2020 Democratic primary voters decided that picking a candidate exclusively on their perceived ability to fight Trump was more important than one who would be the best President. That didn't end up working so well in the long run.

    If the Democrats don't elect a transformative President that will twist arms in Congress and put the people ahead of the oligarchs, then get used to the idea of President Vance in 2032.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago

    I think we should look to outside talent. The lettuce that outlasted Liz Truss is available and probably more personable despite several years of decomposition.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Fuck you, Gavin. Stay home. We don't need you effing this up.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago*

    Democrats is somehow always able to find worse candidates than the last one...

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Other than AOC, that list might as well be Republicans.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (37 children)

    Newsom can top all the Democrats he wants, i am still not going to support him.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    His ability to match Trumpian trolling style needs to be picked up by someone new, or else we should really get behind this guy at least he is not literally a child raping Russian asset sent to destroy America JFC it's hard to be picky here

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  • [+] -9 points 1 year ago (33 children)

    Great, so you are another fascist enabler. You dont need to like his policies but if he is the person to stop the fascist and you dont support him or even vote for him you are on the side of the fascists.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    You dont need to like his policies

    That's just it: his policies are how he governs. Awful Neoliberal policies devastating working people to the point that most can barely afford to live is (along with billionaire-owned yellow media) how things got bad enough for a resurgence of fascism.

    That being said, the Neoliberal style of campaigning where the vast majority of their messaging is aimed at converting the increasingly tiny sliver of a demographic that have voted GOP and would ever in a million years vote Dem while ignoring the leftmost two thirds of their own base is a losing strategy that lost to the most unqualified and repulsive presidential candidate in living memory if not ever. TWICE.

    In conclusion: his policies (and the fact that he's almost as corrupt as your average Republican) would make him an awful president, and the campaign strategy of the DNC that he'd doubtlessly go along with would make him likely to lose to someone even worse.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Policies dont matter in the state your country is in. What matters is preventing fascism.

    Seriously you people are so utterly idiotic. You have 0 idea what fascism means if you refuse to prevent it because you dont like the policies of someone who can prevent it. Watch some documentaries about what fascism means. You will never have the opportunity for other elections if you don't support the opponents of fascism.

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  • Policies dont matter in the state your country is in

    Policies always matter. Policies are what politicians actually DO, whether fascist, neoliberal, or progressive or whatever.

    Saying that policies doesn't matter in politics is like saying food doesn't matter in survival.

    Btw, not that it matters, but I'm not American.

    Seriously you people are so utterly idiotic

    Says the guy who just argued that policies are irrelevant to politics 🙄

    You have 0 idea what fascism means

    I know full well what fascism is and means. I sincerely doubt that you do, though, since you don't seem to know what policies are.

    you refuse to prevent it because you dont like the policies of someone

    Holy ridiculous strawman, Batman! Nobody said anything of the sort

    someone who can prevent it

    Liberals don't prevent fascism, they enable it. They're the controlled opposition institutionalists who would rather let the people suffer and die than harm their precious institutions and owner donors in any way.

    That's how it was in Mussolini's Italy, that's how it is now, and that's how it'll always be.

    Watch some documentaries about what fascism

    I have. I have also read a shitload about it. It doesn't sound like you have.

    You will never have the opportunity for other elections if you don't support the opponents enablers of fascism.

    Fixed it for you. Gavin Newsom, Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer aren't saving anyone from fascism.

    They and people like them not representing the will of the people and rigging primaries to make sure that very few who do can achieve power is as big of a part of why the fascists managed to take over as the fascists themselves are.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Newsom is fascist, how you gonna call someone a fascism enabler when they oppose a fascist??

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    Newsom is not a fascist. Trump is a fascist. Newsom fullfills some of the 14 traits of fascism, which is not good but does not endanger democracy. Trump fulfills all of them.

    You help the actual fascists stay in power and prevent any chance of having a better candidate in the future. By not voting for the candidate that can prevent fascism you help the fascists.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Newsome is the person that will let facists win again

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You people are those who let fascists win again if there is another election and you dont vote for the candidate running against the fascists.

    Luckily you will deeply regret it once the fascists grab their power tightly enough and no one will shed a tear for you, because it will be your own fault

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Supporting the Democrats is supporting fascist enablers. Well they had power. They gave up two supreme Court pics. They were more than happy to rally behind a false immigration debate, they avoided the prosecution of actual criminals. Just assuming that they would go away, they failed to codify roe v. Wade in law. The Democrats have basically for the last 50 years done. Almost nothing short of handover power and make a really crappy healthcare system. Slightly less crappy temporarily.

    We're here now because they didn't have the backbone to fight fascists.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You are there now because of people like you not voting for the single party that could have stopped the fascists. You have a 2 party system. If you donr vote democrat you vote fascist.

    You can work on fixing the democraty party once your little bit of democracy left is not on the line anymore.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If I don't like his policies because he agrees with fascists more than he should, why should I vote for him?

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    Because you then help the actual fascists win. You only have 2 optiond. One fascist and one non fascist. You vote for the non fascist no matter what you think of his policies.

    With people like you you will never have another opportunity to vote in someone who can establish the policies you like.

    God you people are as stupid as Trump supporters. "I dont like his policies so lets just let the guy who wants to destroy the little bit of democracy we have win"

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    The important thing here is that you're right and should continue preaching the same message because it worked so well the last time. And changing tactics wouldn't be a sign of learning something or not being lazy.

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  • [+] 2 points 1 year ago* (6 children)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I tell them to not expect worsening conditions to teach liberals the right lesson and they should vote as if they're choosing a boss fight. In that context fascist-light is the correct choice.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    My brother in Christ: https://awful.systems/comment/8412622

    Voting in our system is like choosing the boss for the final boss fight. So yeah, if you're in a place where your vote could make a difference, vote Dem, but never stop raising hell.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (7 children)

    Everyone you disagree with is a bot, even when they have articulated thoughts.

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  • [+] -2 points 1 year ago (6 children)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I am left to believe that trump’s bot campaign is back in full force

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  • [+] -2 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Well lemme know when someone calls out a fascist platforming transphobe who hates the poor, and you don't think they're a Trump supporter.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Yeah. I think they're just young idealists, trying to signal their values on social media.

    I don't think Lemmy is much of a target for bots but I feel like we get the back scatter - actual users parroting the narrative they picked up elsewhere.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I mean... that's a pretty low bar, though, right? Kamala just set the world record for fastest time from hype to revulsion any politician has ever achieved and pulled her entire party along into the grave she dug herself.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    What world are you living in?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    The world where people would rather live with a party of literal fucking nazis than sully themselves with anything less than their ideal.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    "Please stop supporting genocide" "No"

    "Please stop deporting people without due process" "No"

    "Please stop bombing children" "No"

    "Please stop gaslighting us about the state of the economy" "No"

    "Please say you'll do something to stop healthcare from being the biggest cause of bankruptcy" "No"

    "Please make the economy work for the people, rather than the rich" "No"

    "...anything less than their ideal"

    I'm not sure you understand what the phrase "less than their ideal" means.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Look, anyone with a brain saw that concentration camps were coming before this last election. Everyone was able to see what was coming since they literally published it in black and white how they planned to destroy the country. Everyone was already aware what their goals were when it comes to women and trans.

    Your whole reasoning is utter bullshit.

    What, did you think Trump was going to stop bombing the fuck out of Gaza?

    “Stop deporting people without due process” yeah cause our current alternative is sooo much better.

    “Stop gaslighting us about the state of the economy” because now if we just don’t report on it anymore it’s not gaslighting right?

    Healthcare Guess no Medicare or Medicaid is better right?

    Economy for the rich Fuck that’s a good one man. Trump surely was the obvious choice to save us from that one /s

    You’re either the dumbest willfully ignorant mf out there if you think you couldn’t have seen the current state of affairs coming and honestly thought we’d be better off with the current alternative because of your fucking high horse, or you’re a Russian troll.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Who said Trump was gonna be better about any of that? I certainly didn't. But the Democrats were going to keep supporting those systems, and helping the Republicans build them out. The ones helping the facists aren't going to fight against and stop the facists. That makes them far from "less than ideal".

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Look, I’ll put it another way. And yeah, I love metaphors because they help explain things that should be obvious to simple people.

    You’re sitting at a lunch table with a group of people. You’re all told that you to decide what to have for lunch as a group. Only one option is allowed, and everyone must eat what the group decides on.

    Your options are:

    1: A sandwich with absolutely no real substance. It’s just two slices of bread with the thinnest wafer of baloney you’ve ever seen.

    Or

    2: A literal shit sandwich. Just a straight turd sandwiched between some moldy bread. They also sprinkled a little gold glitter on it and slapped a Made In America sticker on it.

    Most people would look at this and say “well this one’s a no brainier. Who the fuck would pick the turd sandwich? The other one may not be very tasty or have much nutrition, but at least it isn’t a literal fucking turd sandwich.”

    Only, some people at the table are incapable of making a decision to save their lives and insist they have to listen to both sides of the argument before coming to a decision.

    So there’s probably some people at the table that are championing the baloney sandwich and going on and on about how fucking great baloney is and everyone should love baloney too.

    The dipshits at the table however are thinking, “I hate baloney. Fuck those guys and their baloney. I’m gonna make those guys eat that nasty fucking turd.” They just can’t wait to see the look of disgust and rage on those peoples faces as their forced to eat the shit sandwich. Ignoring the reality that they too will have to eat the turd.

    You also have trolls at a near-by table yelling encouragement at the dipshits like “yeah, fuck those guys and their baloney, make them eat shit” and “look at that nothing sandwich, that's the sorriest excuse for a sandwich I’ve ever seen. Who would eat that?” or “More like a bullshit baloney sandwich” and so on.

    The dipshits and the trolls decide to yell over the baloney people, so some of the people who can’t think for themselves believe there's more support for the shit sandwich and side with the group they think is already winning, because if more people support the shit sandwich it must be for a good reason. And who doesn’t love being on the winning side, right?

    There might even be some well meaning people at another near-by table telling everyone about how "baloney is unhealthy because is high in sodium, and the bread should have been whole wheat instead of white because that's more nutritious", or "meat is murder, and why would you support murder?" wining some of the other indecisive fucks over.

    Meanwhile you’re over here bitching “why can’t we have a burger instead”? You don’t like either option, you’d rather have a nice fat burger. Only burgers weren’t a fucking option in the first place, so you’re going to sit this one out because they aren’t serving burgers. You cross your fucking arms and stay silent picking nothing.

    But guess what, one of the two options is going to be your lunch whether you like it or not. So you sat this one out because you didn’t like your options and someone else picked your lunch for you. Shockingly, rationality didn’t win out like you thought it would. Turns out, there were just slightly more dipshits and indecisive fucks out there than you thought.

    So now we all have to eat this shit sandwich together. And you’re over here with your shit-eating grin thinking “well at least I didn’t vote for this. I wanted burgers. Serves them right for not making burgers an option. Maybe next time they’ll have better options.” Even though this is the second fucking time we’ve been forced to eat this shit, and next time there probably won’t even be vote.

    Can you get up from the table and leave? Sure. But its too late now because you’re already eating this turd whether you like it or not. All you can do now is either run away with your shit-stained lips, or find the fucking asshole that even made a shit-sandwich an option in the first place and make them regret it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    That's a bad analogy. The sandwich with no substance in it is neutral. If the Dems were neutral, I'd have no problem with it. But they are actively evil. We don't call them the "lesser evil" because they are neutral. They are actively:

    • bombing children
    • supporting rapists
    • supporting facists
    • draining our resources to help their rich friends
    • destroying the environment
    • torturing people
    • backing a genocide
    • backing the abuses of the military/intelligence agencies
    • backing surveillance systems

    If you think that equates to a "A sandwich with absolutely no real substance. It’s just two slices of bread with the thinnest wafer of baloney you’ve ever seen." then I'm going to stop engaging with you because we fundamentally see reality differently. I see attrocities, and you see no real problems.

    They do have a turd in the sandwich, but because it's a smaller turd than the other sandwich, I'm being told that the turd in the Dem's sandwich doesn't exist. And I can see it with my own eyes, as do many others, who agree that maybe we should be allowed to ask for a sandwich without a turd. I'm not asking for a burger, I'm asking for someone who isn't going to destroy people's lives, but the Democrats aren't interested in that.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Lol at all this cute discussion like there's going to be a 2028 election...

    At the current rate things are going it's unlikely we'll have 2026 mid-terms.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    STOP SUPPORTING ISRAEL

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    Can we do something like this for whoever ends up being the nominee?

    That... does exactly nothing to solve the problems that led to the rise of MAGA. I mean hell, this is what allowed Trump to come to power in the first place. I get the appeal of "anything has to be better than this," but kicking the can down the road will hurt more than it will help. Think of it this way: What will happen under Newsom that would result in fascism not coming back stronger than ever and why hasn't that happened already?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I'm done voting for Neoliberals.

    Kamala was the last one.

    The lesser of two evils will not save us.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Kamala is just looking for easy W's, when she actually had to do work she decided to back out of "toxic" politics....

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I really don't want to imagine Newsom topping Kamala Harris.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Seeing as how Kamala has barely said a word in the last year, I think it is no surprise she's sliding on the popularity scale. I'm guessing she's planning on sliding into obscurity. Hope she proves otherwise.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    Hope she proves otherwise.

    I'm hoping she doesn't. Harris has done nothing of value to the American people, and in fact treated her own base with such contempt that she lost to Donald fucking Trump. She and her ilk should all fuck off to the other side of the moon and let people with something resembling principles take the lead.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    A white, straight, male ofc it will Newsom that runs for dems 2028. Kamala for vp again perhaps?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    I'm sure the comments here won't be a complete shit show...

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