I can't understand how in this political climate the Liberals think it's a good idea to open our private data up to the US.

"Elbows up"? Bullshit.

That’s why we can’t have any nice things :(

I'm trying to think of that saying about opening or closing the barn door but can't remember it. In either case, the gist is they've already been surveilling us all along so this news means very little.

Thank you for posting but this is a duplicate post of https://lemmy.ca/post/48616498

If this bill passes then it's finally time I get a VPN to another country.

media isnt covering this at all like they should be. the fact that all we hear about it "Carney owning trump" when hes literally planning on screwing our constitutional right to privacy, and giving that information to literally the worst possible fascist rapist, whos planning on economically annexing us is suspicious to say the least.

once this pandoras box is opened, theres no closing it. he just wrote an executive order saying they are going to arrest homeless people and whoever they classify as "mentally ill" which will include people who are LGBTQ+ and have ADHD and autism, and anyone who doesnt agree with him politically because they have "trump derangement syndrome" which they are trying to classify as a mental illness as we speak.

now imagine if in the future trump or the US do end up annexing us, or at least demanding who they deem a threat from our side of border to be charged in the US. they could literally take homeless people and the "mentally ill" or anyone they deem a "threat" and ship them over to put them in fucking work camps. now with our online profile fully in view of the US, and palantir (FOREVER), they could demand "domestic threats" be sent over. removing would be resistors to the trump regime take over, before they want to annex us for good. and classify them as mentally ill, and then force them to work as slaves in their work camps, or worse. JUST LIKE STALIN DID WITH HITLER BEFORE THEY ENDED UP GOING TO WAR.

even if thats not what they are planning, they could use our data to create extremely targeted misinformation campaigns and have canadians continue to vote against their interests in the future.

i hope my tinfoil hat isnt too tight on my head, but fuck me what the hell, this is a national security A BOMB going off in our own legislation by our own government. that we specifically elected to FIGHT THIS DICKWAD. not hand us over on a silver platter.

theres zero benefit to this bill for canadians, ZERO.

Not only is this a terrible bill, but the timing of it is especially telling. We're in a fight for our sovereignty and he wants to hand our data over to the people threatening us.

This isn’t speculation. Earlier this month, a Canadian government official told Politico that this surveillance regime would give Canadian police “the same kind of toolkit” that their U.S. counterparts have under the PATRIOT Act and FISA. The bill allows for “technical capability orders.” Those orders mean the government can force Canadian tech companies, VPNs, cloud providers, and app developers—regardless of where in the world they are based—to build surveillance tools into their products.

Under U.S. law, non-U.S. persons have little protection from foreign surveillance. If U.S. cops want information on abortion access, gender-affirming care, or political protests happening in Canada—they’re going to get it. The data-sharing won’t necessarily be limited to the U.S., either. There’s nothing to stop authoritarian states from demanding this new trove of Canadians’ private data that will be secretly doled out by its law enforcement agencies.

This bill is being introduced by a minister that the pm hand picked himself. Mark Carney is selling out Canadians!

I think many of us have forgotten that Harper signed an agreement with the US in 2012 (that took effect on January 17, 2025) where "... the automated exchange of biographical and biometric information on permanent residents of both Canada and the United States" is now shared.

Bill C-2 is simply part 2 of Harper's continued bullshit legacy that continues to haunt us years later.

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/news/notices/regulatory-amendments-canada-united-states-information-sharing-agreement.html

Personally my reaction to most of C-2 is mild disappointment, but Part 15 is extremely concerning to me.

So we have the EU and their bullshit (which also has global scope), we have credit card processors and their bullshit, now we have Canada and some.of their own bullshit.

On one hand, we have been talking about the potential for full surveillance across the internet for a while, so this is hardly a surprise, but everyone all at once? What the hell is behind this new massive push?

It seems that the response to this will be a lot of services moving to countries that dont give a shit about us/EU laws and a rise in cryptocurrencies. It will take a while before the common folks to get pissed enough to figure it out, but all things have limits.

I presume there will be a patchwork of country-level blocks put into place, VPN blocks, tor filtering etc. This feels like the end of the open internet as we know it. It has been a greed fueled mess for a long time now, but this round of government invasion feels like the final knife in the chest.

It will suck for users, it will be expensive for any company to maintain compliance, it will be horribly complex from a technology perspective if any of these layers break and it will be a goddamn nightmare to secure. Organized crime hackers are going to have a field day once they get access to all the stuff being monitored and logged. Encryption backdoors will take it to a whole new level.

The wealthy are scared and they are directing their minions to implement this.

You see things like this more and more, when the housing market in Canada really started shifting and climbing in costs, the same systems were put in place in the UK and in Aus, NZ. To me it seemed too coordinated, is the same everytime one of the 5 eyes starts something and tries to make it seem like it's to "protect the children" or whatever.

They are so scared of the people riding up against the ultra wealthy, this is why it is being done. It is a coordinated effort, they debt it and try to pretend they are being strong against the TACO regime, but that is only a show for their citizens, when really they're putting all of this in place. They know their in trouble with all the lies and theft affairs their people, most likely mass layoffs are coming in the next few years and they want to be able to have a nice big list of names of who to go after.

The entire political systems globally need to change to allow everyone to have a decent standard of living.

Civil liberties groups, refugee advocates, lawyers, Amnesty International, Oxfam, the United Church, PEN Canada, CUPE, Canadian Anti-Hate Network, the YWCA, Citizen Lab — and now the EFF. The diversity and the sheer number of civil society groups and NGOs that find C-2 absolutely unacceptable is unprecedented to my knowledge. If it comes anywhere near passing into law it will be a travesty of government.

Reminds me of the patriot act.