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[–] 126 points 1 year ago (16 children)

What exactly does a "long" knock sound like?

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Yeah I was wondering the same thing. At first I thought it didn't really matter, you'd just go by the length of time between knocks. But then I saw the "be quiet", which would be indistinguishable from "cone here"...

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    wouldn't be quiet b: Tak, tak, tak.
    and come here be: Tak, tak. Tak.

    My assumption is that dots have no pause after nock, while dash requires pause. Just like when someone uses Morse code underwater

    E.g.:
    U-571 Morse cose scene

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    This only works if the sequences are guaranteed to never end with a long knock. If you meant to say the pause goes before the long knock, like in the example you gave, not after it, then it only works if the sequence is guaranteed to never begin with a long knock.

    Putting the pause before the long knock instead of after is so counter-intuitive that my brain struggles to allow me to actually tap the sequences that way while I read them, for example your "Tak, tak. Tak." intuitively sounds like dot dash dot (super sister meeting), and not dot dot dash (come here).

    I think the scene in that movie is a Hollywood inaccuracy. Tapping/knocking has its own system for communication: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tap_code

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Interesting, I never heard about that system.
    During my reply to another comment I stumbled upon another issue with how I thought pauses could work, so maybe instead of pause they distinguished dashes from dots by designating different knocking surfaces (e.g. wall for dash and wood(like bedframe or doorframe) for them?

    The goal would be to produce different sounds so e.g. dot = tak and dash = tuk. That way only pauses would be for switching the surface and for intermission between phrases

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    dots have no pause after nock, while dash requires pause

    That's exactly what I thought. But when the only dash is at the end of the message, how do you tell? ..- and ... are going to be indistinguishable, no?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    So, for dash they could have put pauses on both sides, maybe?
    Few examples:
    a) -·· => Tak. Tak, tak.
    b) ··- => Tak,tak. Tak.

    Then only option that wouldn't work is -·-.

    Other option, that would allow all combinations, is if they devised solution where dash and dot knocks used different surfaces to produce different sound. E.g. for dash on a wall and for dot on wod (like a bed frame).

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    For a danish, your onomatopoeia choice for a knock would sound annoyingly polite.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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    I'm not certain but I'm assuming a short knock they remove their hand quickly after impact and a long hand they keep their hand pressed against the wall after impact. Or maybe the difference between knuckles and palm knocks?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    It's like Morse Code. It really isn't about the length of the sound, it's the spaces between them. A dot would have a short space after it, a dash would have a long space. So dot dot dot would be three quick knocks, dash dash dash would be three slow knocks.

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  • [–] 51 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    How ho you do that last long knock??

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  • [–] 73 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    They have 13 phrases. Could have kept to combination of 3 digits of dots and dashes and still have one slot left over.

    1. .
    2. -
    3. ..
    4. .-
    5. -.
    6. --
    7. ...
    8. ..-
    9. .-.
    10. .--
    11. -..
    12. -.-
    13. --.
    14. ---

    If it isn't obvious, I don't have daughters.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Last knock kant be detected to be long or short (right?) so you have to redo it.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You can just add a short knock to the end of every sequence, that should remove any ambiguity

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    3 and 7 are the same sequence. 8 and 11 are a sequence of 4

    EDIT: I looked closer and realized these could be explained by simple typos; 3 would be .., 7 is not a typo, 8 would be ..-, and 11 would be -..

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    "come here" is the same as "30 min"?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Most languages have homophones where the meaning depends heavily on context. You wouldn't start a conversation with "30 minutes" and you likely wouldn't respond to "come here" with "come here" when "my room" is an option.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    The more difficult one is probably "come here" vs "be quiet". Unless there's some way to tell the length of the last knock those two sound the same, and they're both plausible responses to a "meet me" knock. "My room" and "tomorrow" have a similar issue, again being "we can meet, but you come to me" and "I don't want to meet" responses distinguished only by the length of the final knock

    But to be fair they're 11/9 year old kids, hell yeah for making a secret pseudo-Morse-code

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    I'd love to read the minutes from a "Super Sister Meeting"

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    How do you do a short vs long knock? I figured maybe they were talking about the pauses before the knock but then how would you know if something began with a pause or not?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    Is a long knock just a knock and a pause or some kind of rimshot/paradiddle?

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Come here and 30 min are the same thing. I guess context answers that one.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The minutes are clearly to be appended to a meeting command, is how I read it. "Come here" alone makes sense. "30 minutes" alone doesn't.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Of course. That's what I meant by context.

    I could have gone with "meet me out back" vs "come here in 10 min" as my example, but I'm not really trying to pick apart a children's code sequence, just enjoying it for what it is and having fond memories of doing similar things.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I would have changed the long and short to knuckle and palm strikes.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Best I can do is two shaves and a haircut.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I had one of these with one of my sisters. I don't remember what any of the codes were.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    This is super cute. Don't say a thing to them, but after they are gone from home, I would save it forever. Or maybe just leave it in the closet, and show their kids in about 20 years.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    We did this with my brother

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