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[–] 33 points 1 year ago

Ok yea I'm sometimes guilty of this, but in a more joking kinda way usually

Except when you're posting someone else's content that the creator clearly intended to have a cussword, e.g. a comic, and either you or where you got it from censored it for "the algorithm". That shit is annoying AF

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  • [–] 114 points 1 year ago* (11 children)

    I suppose i don't see the point.

    The reader knows what you censored either way, so by using the words and then censoring them you don't achieve your implied preference for reducing vulgarity in communication (so it might be more impactful and irregular when applied) at all.

    Anyone who reads "forking shut" knows what you are writing there in reality. Kinda feels to me like putting on censored porn to make it family friendly, that's not working. Either watch a family movie, or some actual porn in private.

    The only reasonable course of action would be to avoid vulgarity and those stand-ins for it completely in your communication.

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  • [–] 56 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I brought this up recently. Talking around a topic is still talking about it. If you want to have an adult conversation, use adult words. No one is requiring you to curse at all, but if you’re going to, treat the audience as the age you’re targeting.

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  • [+] [S] -41 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The reasoning is irrelevant. Those are the words the person is choosing to use, and no one is in any way negatively affected by it.

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  • [–] 60 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I mean, I'm not policing your words here, write how you want what do I care.

    But you brought up the reasoning yourself, and when I find it flawed your response is "I don't need a reason".

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago

    But you brought up the reasoning yourself

    Where? Their whole post is just "let people say what they want to say". You're the one trying to force them to justify it or fit your weird rubric.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Look man, you can say potato means underwear all you want, but if you start saying you're wearing potato under your pants people are going to look at you weird. You are not the only party involved in communication, and thus your preferences are only part of the equation, and people will interpret and process your words based on conventions, not just your personal thoughts on the matter.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    You're missing the point. The fact you're inferring that the writer is trying to "sneak a meaning past", or "reduce vulgarity", or "make it family friendly" is all assumptions.

    If someone wants to say...

    They want to. That's it. Stop word-policing people...

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    See my response down below. I dont police, I'm just saying there is a logical inconsistency here. You want to swear, then do. You dont like it, then don't. Using censored swears accomplishes neither.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's. Not. Censorship. I really can't be any clearer than that. Censorship is when your intended words or ideas are suppressed. No matter how many downvotes OP receives, it changes nothing. All words are made up, and if you think they should use different made-up words, then yes you fucking are word-policing.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Why are you putting words into my mouth? I never said or even suggested there is a government or so at play here suppressing ideas.

    There is just a logical inconsistency in the whole concept, and also in OPs reasoning, which for arguments sake i take offense with. In truth i, again, dont don't really give a shit how he writes, or you for that matter.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I don't care if people censor their swears, my problem is the word substitutions making whatever they're saying nigh unreadable like "Unalive", "grape", "PDF file".

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Our problem is not with the way people want to say things—its the necessity to do so due to censorship by corporations in an effort to cleanse everything for advertisers.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago

    I think it kinda sucks, because I hate self censorship and the mechanisms that lead it it

    If you want to do it for religious or moral reasons, I don't really care. You do you. I just don't want you censoring yourself for ad friendliness

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  • [–] 78 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    It feels infantile and childish to me when grown ass adults use cutie wootie wordy cursies to get around speaking like humans.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I guess I understand doing it around children, but I also think children swearing is hilarious, so...

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    I probably swear less since having kids and use more non-swearing expletives ("flipping heck", "crikey" etc.) in real life speech. Some of that inevitably bleeds into how I write online even though it's not directed at kids, just because language is habit-forming.

    But I really, really hate the "f--k" thing. Either swear or don't. Swearing like you're trying to get one over on teacher is weird.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    Who cares if they even are, who the fuck are you to prevent them from speaking how they want to

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    I didn't prevent anyone from sounding stupid.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I'll have to admit it doesn't sound great and fair, I assumed you were actively against people saying this like some other in the comments

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    I don't care either way, it's all part of online forums. People say something, others agree or disagree.

    What I really dislike are Youtube channels having to censor themselves while reading court documents and such, in fear of getting their channel striked or demonetised.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    The real problem is people feeling the need to self-censor such things at all.

    What sort of oppressive failure of a culture raises such values on a person.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    It was said that you would destroy the self-censors, not join them!

    (Not stalking you BTW, it's just that the ICQ symbol really stands out to me)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I will never do it to myself, but I am sure as fuck lazy enough to not spend time un-doing others.

    But it's been updated already as someone else found a better version.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    On one hand I don't care. On the other hand I also laugh when someone censors something like b*tt...

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    Real ones say removed (you tried to say bitch on .ml)

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I refuse to get behind "unalive"

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    And the reason for that is that unalive only exists because of shit sites like YouTube that won't allow basic language because oh my god won't anyone think of the children!?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Exactly, but it erks me that it has moved into irl interaction. Perhaps I'm just an old man, (I am) and I get that even speaking in public sometimes requires self censorship on the simple grounds that it's polite, but using corporate approved verbage on every day conversation fills.me with rage and regret

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago
    [–] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    As soon as some does it, every comment's like a three year old yelling, "You don't like curse words. Here's all the curse words I know!"

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  • [–] 54 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    You're more than welcome to say fork or frell or frack or feth or whatever you want. I LOVE a good "forking shirtballs"

    Just understand that if you start typing "f*ck" then people, self included, will assume you are a moron who thinks this is tiktok and you need to keep all your content monetized. Well, some of us are olds and will think you are a moron who doesn't realize that gets you extra banned on gamefaqs. But most people will assume the tiktok and monetization thing.

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  • [–] 72 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Fuck that self-censorship bullshit.

    You can use expletives, or you can use words that aren't expletives to express what you want to say. Both are valid choices.

    Using bowdlerized versions of expletives like a child trying to get away with "naughty" words or a YouTuber/TikToker trying to prevent being demonetized, though? That's unnecessary to the point of obnoxiousness in an uncensored environment like Lemmy.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    People's fucking speech patterns are being affected by big brother and they are genuinely just ok with it. I don't know how to explain to someone that changing the way you talk changes the way you think and you are letting corpos do that to you. AND THEN THEY GO AND DEFEND IT.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That's fine and all, but sometimes it's funny to use good place style censorship, sometimes people want to keep their language appropriate for cleaner circumstances as they struggle with code switching, and sometimes people want to repost something they saw online without uncensoring it.

    Personally I don't give a flying fuck, a hot damn, a fucking shit, or whatever other expletive one prefers to express indifference and I do hate the rise of advertiser friendly censorship, but also I don't know if I'm more tired of the complaints about it and complaints about the word "slams" in news headlines, but both are about as certain as finding "first" in a 2010 comments section.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    If one wants to keep their cirumstances clean they can chose to not use the word fuck in any way at all. And if you are tired about people protesting censorship your future is gonna be really annoying.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    I don't give two shats what you forking say. Live life you duckers.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    I don’t give a fat fink if a person doesn’t wish to use adult language, but I inherently object to it being censored being normalized on the internet. I’m old enough to remember being excited when I got to upgrade from 14.4 to 28.8, and still others remember 300 baud.

    I know you’re aware you can curse on the web, I just object to it in ways other than politely asking you not to censor your posts especially when the curse word is ordinarily spelled there, but scribbled over, like TikTok content brought over here.

    I’m not about to water start wrd-plcng nyne, but I am going to prtst if I see what looks to be an attempt to normalize cnsrshp on lmm*.

    ***** ********* **** *******. (these asterisks mean nothing)

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    People can obviously say whatever they want, but my opinion is that substituting curse words makes people sound juvenile and the intent is still the same as the original word. You are still making people do a curse conversion in their heads. So why even bother? Kind of like people who won’t say goddamnit, but they’ll say gawldamnit or something like that. Do you think you’re fucking tricking god? There are plenty of other words that can be used for emphasis.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    You can say f*ck on the internet

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    I dunno, I think it's a little childish to censor swear words instead of finding a replacement or just saying the swear, but it's not that big a deal.

    what's worse is people saying r*pe or rap3 instead of rape, or "sui" or "unalive" instead of suicide. people shouldn't have to figure out how every Homestuck character would say a word if they wanna block content including these things.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    No, fuck that.

    Either stop self-censoring or don't structure your comments and sentences to use the word. This half-assed censoring is the lazy coward's way out

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Don't self-censor the way you want to! Self-censor the way I tell you to!

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    To me fork makes way more sense, I feel like it conveys a totally different tone, and therefor has a different function in communicating

    I guess a sensored f---k does too, but not anywhere near as distinct.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Censored f--k or f*ck or whatever doesn't really convey a different tone, other than trying to say something without saying it. Which is annoying and frustrating, it puts work onto the listener that should have been done by the communicator.

    Fork does come out with a different tone, because it doesn't sound as harsh. It's like how saying shit is a bit less severe than saying fuck - fork would be less than both of these, maybe on par with crap.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    Lol the people in these comments who feel like someone choosing to use censored swearing is some kind of commentary on their intelligence or mental age. Fucking unreal. Y'all are no better than any other kind of "cringe police".

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Ay yes lets let corporations rule all of us wven further by proxy. How dare we swear on a medium that could be reuploaded to their platform

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    No, fuck that. Self censorship is shit that has been pushed by companies to sanitize the internet to make websites more appealing to advertisers. It's how we get people "unaliving" themselves with "pew pews" because people are now too fucking chickenshit to just write what they mean.

    If you want to fucking swear, then fucking swear. If you don't want to, then don't fucking use some bitch-ass substitute.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The fucking problem with fucking self censorship, is it fucking often comes from people fucking compling with fucking corporate media fucking algorithmic censorship. Then internalizing the fucking limits of online spaces, it's a fucking sinister infiltration of the human fucking mind, and is driving a fucking shift to the fucking alt-right. Also you can say fuck on the Internet.

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  • [+] [S] -11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Also you can say fuck on the Internet.

    Gee, thanks. That's totally good to know since it's my first day here and all! 👍

    The .. problem with .. self censorship ... is driving a fucking shift to the fucking alt-right

    Oh, the fuck it is. See? I wanted to use the word "fuck" that time, and I chose to - I don't always, and that is my prerogative. Shouldn't have to worry about self-un-censoring my style of speaking to keep a bunch of internet edgelords from getting their panties in a wad because I didn't say the swear.

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  • I'm just curious but is your post about saying fuck or shit or is it more about self censorship in terms of vocab made up by tiktok, like unalive or pewpew? I think there's a lot of confusion about whether youre talking about normal cursewords or tiktok brain.

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    [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I’ve always used frack , has a similar vibe to fuck

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Oh sure people can self censor and thats fine. It doesnt properly hide the word though. If you said out loud that someone is an "N-word" you have and the people listening have completed that word in their head and could still call you racist for using it, even though you didnt say the word your intentions to are a problem. The concept of using a censored version of a word only works to appease the person saying it.

    If you want to remove the curse words just use different words entirely instead of censoring them.

    Also, people who curse are more honest than thise that dont.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    People should be allowed to do what’s in their comfort zone without fear of reprisal. But I’m still going to believe you’re a child if you can’t even curse in writing

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Way to undercut your own message.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The juxtaposition allowed my point to be made more strikingly, in my opinion

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Because writing fuck is the ultimate sign of maturity. I guess I'm less childish than I thought I was.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    No it has no bearing on maturity, but not being allowed to write fuck is a sign of being childish.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    We're not talking about not being allowed. We're talking about choosing not to. In my bubble, using curse words is considered edgelord and therefore childish. I don't mind being childish. I do curse, but I really don't see it as a sign of maturity.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Lots of people don't like to swear in person, or will follow it with something like 'oops, did I say that out loud'.

    I've never understood being upset when people self-censor online too. How does someone else not swearing effect you?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    The reason behind self censoring is what people are responding to, and how people do it shows the cause.

    The most common reason for people to self censor by hiding a letter or two is to get past world filters imposed by multibillion dollar industries. Chat in games, social media platforms, and other places have draconian rules that people work around and thn drag those habits to other places where it isn't necessary to remind everyone that billion dollar companies are ruining the internet. It used to be kind of funny when it was one or two companies addressing actual toxic behavior, but not people are censoring terms like rape when discussing it as a social problem that needs to be addressed.

    If someone is thinking "What a fucking moron." there are many ways to self censor.

    "What a moron." Self censoring by not using the word at all is perfectly fine.

    "What a f*cking moron." looks like someone is trying to say something hut is scared of a filter from the word police.

    "Trmp is a fcking moron." is like someone whispering about someone because they are afraid of being heard. Yes, I've started to see names getting the same treatment because of whatever stupid reason.

    Sure, they can do whatever they want but I'm going to judge them for it.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    It doesn’t affect me. That being said “policing” is a hyperbole. Obviously no one is forcing people to swear, they are just giving them shit when they censor themselves. Those people can still choose to censor themselves even when someone tells them it’s ok to swear.

    It’s no more policing than OP ‘policing’ people to not ‘police’ him.

    People have opinions. You can’t request others to not have their opinions if you’re going to share yours.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    People have opinions. You can’t request others to not have their opinions if you’re going to share yours.

    Yes and no... Everyone has an opinion, but it's not always appropriate to share those opinions, especially if you're changing the topic at hand to do so.

    If we're discussing 'some topic'™ and I swear, but censor a couple letters; that would not be the time to change gear and discuss my personal use of censoring. You could have a separate discussion about it at a different time, as we are doing now; but it's not really appropriate to stop the previous discussion about 'some topic' to talk about my censoring instead. That comes off as avoiding the subject imo.

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