Secretly? Mod logs are public.
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Secretly? Mod logs are public.
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And again. Lasted not even 14min
Yes but [whataboutism related to another country that everyone agrees was really shite on this particular occasion], liberal?
Marxist-Leninist groups have been captured by Russian and Chinese state interests for decades. I've been hearing "you can't be a leftist if you're not against NATO" since Geocities was a thing.
Funnily the post showed two US-Americans and was joking about them.
Yes of course, the only possible reason to criticize the geopolitical bloc behind 75 years of wars, coups, terrorism and genocide is "state capture"
Have you also failed to notice that local leftists were the target of these operations approximately 100% of the time?
Funny how this "regime change" never seems to find it's way to right-wing military dictatorships (unless they oppose the zionist colony of course)
Wake me up when you clowns criticize right wing governments like Putin's.
Posts like this almost feel un-sportsman like. It's just shooting fish in a barrel. Where's the love of the game?
the only possible reason
Get a better straw man lmao
TIL strawmanning is when you do reducio ad absurdum, apparently
Did the original comment leave open an alternative possibility to "state capture" as to why people would question The Righteous Narrative?
Go on then, tell me how what I quoted is a logical consequence of the original post. You know, as a reductio would go, if that's what it were.
I'll brb as I have no popcorn.
I will gladly do so
Explicit Premise:
I've been hearing "you can't be a leftist if you're not against NATO" since Geocities was a thing.
Unstated major premise (laughably false):
There do not exist legitimate critiques against the NATO bloc
Conclusion:
[therefore] Marxist-Leninist groups have been captured by Russian and Chinese state interests for decades.
Parent commenter absurdly acts as if there is no other explanation, which is ludicrous. Parent comment likely commits "falacy of the missing middle" with the missing premise also being the most obviously false one. The great thing about a reducio is how it cuts through all that noise
Hope this helps
The missing part of this is how you decided that the "unstated" "premise" is a premise at all.
You didn't show how it follows logically from the op's statement so you failed. How predictable, all this popcorn was for nothing
Ok Captain Logic, show us your deconstruction of the argument and how it's logically sound since you didn't engage with mine at all
I'm especially interested in how you believe the argument should move from the single premise to the very distant conclusion without a missing premise
I predict that instead of actually analyzing the argument formally you will "Nuh-uh!", then declare victory like you have done multiple previous times in this thread
I engaged with yours sufficiently to establish it's bollocks, which is enough for me. See ya!
Prediction confirmed
Given you added your "prediction" at the same time as I made reply it's not much of a prediction. But yeah no, I'm not here to defend the original argument, I'm here to debunk morons.
Debunking is when you don't even understand the concept of a missing major premise and then act superior apparently
Failing logic is when you describe "missing premise" as "reductio ad absurdum".
Failing languages is when you interpret a light-hearted comment as a logic exercise.
Both at the same time is... special!
Continuing with the supreme confidence of the ignorant
Reducio was my counter move, the missing major premise is one of the possible diagnoses of informal fallacy that would apply to the original comment
Being a pompous prat is picking a logic fight, misusing and misunderstanding the terminology, then pretending that you were aloof the whole time
It's pretty obvious that you lack the fundamental capability to break down an argument in formal terms, but you chose to use sophistries and sockpuppet votes instead of just frankly admitting your ignorance
Apparently calling someone a slug is ableism. I was banned for 2 days for that.
The ban was from Hexbear not Lemmy.ML: https://lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=ModBanFromCommunity&userId=24601588
Sitewide rule 14 is:
Also, when engaging with your fellow users please take the most charitable interpretation and assume good faith.
Interesting. The mod I guess messaged me afterwards and told me I was being ableist so I just assumed that’s why. I’m only on here on my phone so didn’t have an easy way to confirm the rules.
Are you using an app? I use Boost and I can click community info and then get the sidebar like this:


For instance side bars there is a menu item:


I do like using the web interface (even just on my phone) for some things though.
Ah thanks! That’s helpful info. Not sure who downvoted you for helping lmao.
It's .ml, what do you expect? The community banned me for questioning their dogma.
I've seen so much hate for .ml. Can someone explain it to me? It's one of the first to popup on https://join-lemmy.org/instances and their front page seems to be tech stuff and some politics.
Generally, the .ml instance is where most of the tankies reside. They are critical of the US, which is fine, but are also hyper defensive of russia and china. So reasonable takes like "everybody should vote" are met with a dozen edge lords calling you a child murderer and screaming death to America.
Just find out for yourself. Been here for years and always have been treated fine, but because my account is here, I've been treated like crap on several instances. It's all bs if you ask me.
some politics
Lol.
.ml is basically the /r/The_Donald or /r/Conservative of Lemmy. Not because they're conservatives or support Donald Trump, but because they behave the same way. The vast majority of .ml users come off as preteen edgelords who think they know everything and constantly attempt to get others to start some revolution that they want to take place but are too cowardly to initiate themselves. If you don't fall in line and agree with their extremist views, your comments are removed and you will likely be banned from their instance.
Many of them take anti-voting stances. Many of them want an anarchist system to replace democracy. They are extremely annoying and extremely ignorant. Obviously not ALL .ml users are like this, but so many of them are that the entire instance has earned a negative reputation on Lemmy. I was on Lemmy for all of a month before I found out for myself what the deal with .ml was. And it's only gotten worse since then, especially leading up to this year's election.
You should probably do what more and more of us are doing and ignore their comments and block their instance. It makes Lemmy a lot nicer to use.
FYI: This year I've noticed the dbzer0 instance trending in the same direction as .ml, so I'd keep an eye on their users as well.
Such an innocent take. .ml is a Chinese propaganda outlet masquerading as a far left American group.
masquerading as a far left American group.
Who said that we're an "American group?" Some of our users (such as myself) are from the US, but we have people from all over the world.
But, I mean, it is true that the only possible reason anyone in the world would have for hating the US is if they're on the payroll of the Chinese government, so I guess you've got us there.
Criticism of the United States is not why people point out that .ml is a propaganda instance. Repeating chinese and russian propaganda is.
FYI: This year I’ve noticed the dbzer0 instance trending in the same direction as .ml, so I’d keep an eye on their users as well.
Does dbzer0 also "repeat Chinese and Russian propaganda," or are people lobbing the same accusations at them just because they're also critical of the US?
"ml" is the subdomain for the country of mali, but here it's short for "marxism-leninism".
the developers of the lemmy protocol (not the fediverse as a whole, just lemmy) also run lemmy.ml as the "flagship instance".
they are out and proud tankies, meaning their politics are reactionary america-bad first, and running full throated defense of russia, china, and north korea right behind that. despite the fact that none of these wannabe empires are politically even close to any marxist roots. any criticism or independent journalism is verboten.
many of the people on these instances are propagandized westerners, but there was also an observed drop in traffic following ukraine strikes on russian datacenters.
hexbear and lemmygrad are smaller, more commonly defederated instances with even higher concentrations of tankie bullshit. ml is the more moderate gateway that has established many foothold communities on the fediverse like the one OP is referencing.
Just the general vibe they give off. Very disingenuous imo. Which is unfortunate cuz i always thought Marxist-Leninsts were suppose to be for
woah ok i did some quick reading and Marxists and Leninists are not the same as Marxist-Leninists, they are three different groups, ive got so much to learn lol
ok sorry back to the comment.
If you post a source they will always try to discredit it somehow, claiming only their sources are "accurate" or "the truth". Very derogatory/insulting/troll-ish.
Someone else described them as "r/the_Donald" of lemmy but are Marxist-Leninsts (hence ."ml") instead of MAGA.
Well I liked the idea of a community more focused on the global south. However, I often was confronted with hate and (imho) unjustified bans and deleted comments when saying that imperialism is bad, doesn’t matter who is doing it. Many people there seem to think that invading foreign countries and killing people is fine as long as it’s not done by the USA, Israel or European countries. They are the only evil ones but others (especially Russia and China) can bomb whoever they want. As I’m not silently disagreeing with that, I had some trouble with people there. But make your own experiences and choices. For sure there are also nice and reasonable people there. I would like to see more content from/about the real global south!
I can't speak for others, but I've had several posts censored. I even got demodded on a sub I created (/c/intelligence). In all instances, I never received a warning, notification, message or anything. My posts were just gone, my mod privs just removed without ANY contact from who did it or why.
Are you familiar with the mod log? It does seem like a flaw in the system if you don't receive a notification of a mod action, but at any time you can search your user name and see what moderation has occurred. You can use this link to see your history:
Thank you for showing me how to look at mod actions taken against me. It still doesn't explain who did it or why.
My Epstein/Mockingbird protest is a good example of exactly how my political speech has continued to be censored first on Reddit, and now here. They are completely afraid to even talk about it, which is why I never got messages or an explanation.
I've been protesting at Sun Valley for 6 years, and I've never been arrested or detained. I've slowly grown the number of protestors each year from 1 (me) to several dozen, including this year the local Boise Democratic Socialists of America.
My Epstein/Mockingbird protest is a good example of exactly how my political speech has continued to be censored first on Reddit, and now here. They are completely afraid to even talk about it, which is why I never got messages or an explanation.
That was done by the mods of Lemmy.world
The ML ban (not sure if that automatic removes you as a mod from any coms on that instance?) gave the reason of Rule 2 on the comment that was removed. Rule 2 is
Be respectful, especially when disagreeing. Everyone should feel welcome here.
I think it's pretty easy to see why the comment
I'm savoring a delicious glass of raw unpasteurized, non-homogenized, non-industrialized bovine lactation as I surf Lemmy, and come across this crap? Go jump in a lake soy sucker.
was seen as disrespectful.
You will notice a pattern in the replies, and whenever the subject comes up, of thought-terminators designed to minimise your exposure to what the ml's actually do say and believe.
If you care whether what you believe is true, I suggest taking a closer look for yourself.
My understanding is that folks have issues with the instance rules. I struggle to understand why this is a problem, as it's fairly easy to block an instance you don't want to interact with.
My hot take is that the way Lemmy operates isn't fully understood. There is no central admin team. Each instance sets their own rules and enforces them and each community has their own additional rules as well. It can be confusing at times because at a glance you might not realize you are interacting with a different instance and you may not be aware of their rules. Further to that, each instance admin can remove content/ban users for actions on other instances. When you make a report on a comment or post it goes to the community mods, and I believe at least the host instance admin and the user instance admin if not more admins.
It does sound like folks might be thinking they were secretly/silently blocked because they are not aware that the mod log is public. It sounds like folks are not notified when a moderator action is taken. I think a better understanding of what one is agreeing to when interacting with each instance would resolve a lot of problems.
In this post it sounds like a post was removed and then reposted a few hours later, resulting in a temporary ban. I'd ban the person too if I was a mod! But the Op didn't seem to realize their post was removed and a reason given. If they did, they might not have reposted it. posted this meme in response, resulting in the ban.
Edit to correct factual errors..
Small correction here: I did not repost the same thing. The ban happened because of my second post (that was the same meme like posted here).
Daily "lemmy.ml upset me and I need validation" post.
Thank you, 11 day old account, for your insight into the .ml problem on the fediverse!
daily reminder that .ml unpaid intern ops have accounts on all sorts of different instances to make it less obvious when they dogpile valid critique
literaly that account LOL. 6day old bastard probably gets banned constantly because he can’t stand those “damn libs!!!”
You'd really think these folks could find something better to do with their time. Something less pathetic.
Everyone I don't like is a fucking russki
I'm not racist though
First I've heard of this "daily reminder". When did that start, when you pulled it out of your ass earlier on?
These validation seeking posts are pointless and annoying, everybody knows by now what .ml is like, so why have they left it unblocked, and better yet, why are they posting to its communities? It's like you just enjoy the drama and whining. There's a "valid critique" for you.
Also, a single user making a single comment does not constitute a "dogpile". Seems like you need to look up what that word means. The very thing that happens when someone posts a comment that .worlders and piefed users don't like on one of their communities. The hypocrisy is outstanding.
there's literally no difference between literal state-funded psyops and the most popular normie instances
lol, you're funny! i can't see how many ml comments there are because i blocked that piece of shit instance forever ago :) dogpiles happen all the time but because so many of you do it for free, it's not always organized!
everybody knows by now what .ml is like, so why have they left it unblocked, and better yet, why are they posting to its communities?
"everyone knows i'm a piece of shit so stop drawing attention to what a piece of shit i am" is just... really sad to even have to say, you know? if even one gullible moron can be detered from falling down that particular rabbit hole, i think i won't shut up!
It’s like you just enjoy the drama and whining.
i enjoy clowning on the second most gullible idiots on the open internet! after sovcits of course. if this qualifies as drama to you, you should stay away from a career in theatre
its almost with a conservative take too, which makes the out themselves.
So people should stop talking about a problem if everyone knows about it? because it's annoying to you personally?
Kinda selfish
I mean, if those .mlers could just stop banning users for stupid reasons for one day, we wouldn't get daily posts.
I want everyone to know that I'm a tankie
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