Edit: Seems like the Mod-Logs are public, so it’s not ‚secretly‘. My preferred mobile app doesn’t show this and for me the post just disappeared from my history.

Anyway, the breach of rule I allegedly did is obviously an excuse to block inconvenient opinions as it’s not at all related.

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[–] 3 points 17 hours ago (19 children)

I've seen so much hate for .ml. Can someone explain it to me? It's one of the first to popup on https://join-lemmy.org/instances and their front page seems to be tech stuff and some politics.

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  • [–] 16 points 17 hours ago*

    Generally, the .ml instance is where most of the tankies reside. They are critical of the US, which is fine, but are also hyper defensive of russia and china. So reasonable takes like "everybody should vote" are met with a dozen edge lords calling you a child murderer and screaming death to America.

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  • [–] 10 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

    some politics

    Lol.

    .ml is basically the /r/The_Donald or /r/Conservative of Lemmy. Not because they're conservatives or support Donald Trump, but because they behave the same way. The vast majority of .ml users come off as preteen edgelords who think they know everything and constantly attempt to get others to start some revolution that they want to take place but are too cowardly to initiate themselves. If you don't fall in line and agree with their extremist views, your comments are removed and you will likely be banned from their instance.

    Many of them take anti-voting stances. Many of them want an anarchist system to replace democracy. They are extremely annoying and extremely ignorant. Obviously not ALL .ml users are like this, but so many of them are that the entire instance has earned a negative reputation on Lemmy. I was on Lemmy for all of a month before I found out for myself what the deal with .ml was. And it's only gotten worse since then, especially leading up to this year's election.

    You should probably do what more and more of us are doing and ignore their comments and block their instance. It makes Lemmy a lot nicer to use.

    FYI: This year I've noticed the dbzer0 instance trending in the same direction as .ml, so I'd keep an eye on their users as well.

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  • [–] 1 point 14 hours ago (3 children)

    Such an innocent take. .ml is a Chinese propaganda outlet masquerading as a far left American group.

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  • [–] 2 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

    masquerading as a far left American group.

    Who said that we're an "American group?" Some of our users (such as myself) are from the US, but we have people from all over the world.

    But, I mean, it is true that the only possible reason anyone in the world would have for hating the US is if they're on the payroll of the Chinese government, so I guess you've got us there.

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  • [–] 3 points 12 hours ago (1 child)

    Criticism of the United States is not why people point out that .ml is a propaganda instance. Repeating chinese and russian propaganda is.

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  • [–] 1 point 12 hours ago*

    FYI: This year I’ve noticed the dbzer0 instance trending in the same direction as .ml, so I’d keep an eye on their users as well.

    Does dbzer0 also "repeat Chinese and Russian propaganda," or are people lobbing the same accusations at them just because they're also critical of the US?

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  • [–] 10 points 17 hours ago (1 child)

    "ml" is the subdomain for the country of mali, but here it's short for "marxism-leninism".

    the developers of the lemmy protocol (not the fediverse as a whole, just lemmy) also run lemmy.ml as the "flagship instance".

    they are out and proud tankies, meaning their politics are reactionary america-bad first, and running full throated defense of russia, china, and north korea right behind that. despite the fact that none of these wannabe empires are politically even close to any marxist roots. any criticism or independent journalism is verboten.

    many of the people on these instances are propagandized westerners, but there was also an observed drop in traffic following ukraine strikes on russian datacenters.

    hexbear and lemmygrad are smaller, more commonly defederated instances with even higher concentrations of tankie bullshit. ml is the more moderate gateway that has established many foothold communities on the fediverse like the one OP is referencing.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 hours ago

    Just the general vibe they give off. Very disingenuous imo. Which is unfortunate cuz i always thought Marxist-Leninsts were suppose to be for


    woah ok i did some quick reading and Marxists and Leninists are not the same as Marxist-Leninists, they are three different groups, ive got so much to learn lol


    ok sorry back to the comment.

    If you post a source they will always try to discredit it somehow, claiming only their sources are "accurate" or "the truth". Very derogatory/insulting/troll-ish.

    Someone else described them as "r/the_Donald" of lemmy but are Marxist-Leninsts (hence ."ml") instead of MAGA.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 11 hours ago

    Well I liked the idea of a community more focused on the global south. However, I often was confronted with hate and (imho) unjustified bans and deleted comments when saying that imperialism is bad, doesn’t matter who is doing it. Many people there seem to think that invading foreign countries and killing people is fine as long as it’s not done by the USA, Israel or European countries. They are the only evil ones but others (especially Russia and China) can bomb whoever they want. As I’m not silently disagreeing with that, I had some trouble with people there. But make your own experiences and choices. For sure there are also nice and reasonable people there. I would like to see more content from/about the real global south!

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  • [–] 4 points 17 hours ago

    You will notice a pattern in the replies, and whenever the subject comes up, of thought-terminators designed to minimise your exposure to what the ml's actually do say and believe.

    If you care whether what you believe is true, I suggest taking a closer look for yourself.

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  • [–] 2 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

    Just find out for yourself. Been here for years and always have been treated fine, but because my account is here, I've been treated like crap on several instances. It's all bs if you ask me.

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  • [–] 2 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

    I can't speak for others, but I've had several posts censored. I even got demodded on a sub I created (/c/intelligence). In all instances, I never received a warning, notification, message or anything. My posts were just gone, my mod privs just removed without ANY contact from who did it or why.

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  • [–] 5 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

    Are you familiar with the mod log? It does seem like a flaw in the system if you don't receive a notification of a mod action, but at any time you can search your user name and see what moderation has occurred. You can use this link to see your history:

    https://lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=679545

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  • [–] 1 point 16 hours ago (1 child)

    Thank you for showing me how to look at mod actions taken against me. It still doesn't explain who did it or why.

    My Epstein/Mockingbird protest is a good example of exactly how my political speech has continued to be censored first on Reddit, and now here. They are completely afraid to even talk about it, which is why I never got messages or an explanation.

    I've been protesting at Sun Valley for 6 years, and I've never been arrested or detained. I've slowly grown the number of protestors each year from 1 (me) to several dozen, including this year the local Boise Democratic Socialists of America.

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  • [–] 5 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

    My Epstein/Mockingbird protest is a good example of exactly how my political speech has continued to be censored first on Reddit, and now here. They are completely afraid to even talk about it, which is why I never got messages or an explanation.

    That was done by the mods of Lemmy.world

    The ML ban (not sure if that automatic removes you as a mod from any coms on that instance?) gave the reason of Rule 2 on the comment that was removed. Rule 2 is

    Be respectful, especially when disagreeing. Everyone should feel welcome here.

    I think it's pretty easy to see why the comment

    I'm savoring a delicious glass of raw unpasteurized, non-homogenized, non-industrialized bovine lactation as I surf Lemmy, and come across this crap? Go jump in a lake soy sucker.

    was seen as disrespectful.

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  • [–] 1 point 16 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

    My understanding is that folks have issues with the instance rules. I struggle to understand why this is a problem, as it's fairly easy to block an instance you don't want to interact with.

    My hot take is that the way Lemmy operates isn't fully understood. There is no central admin team. Each instance sets their own rules and enforces them and each community has their own additional rules as well. It can be confusing at times because at a glance you might not realize you are interacting with a different instance and you may not be aware of their rules. Further to that, each instance admin can remove content/ban users for actions on other instances. When you make a report on a comment or post it goes to the community mods, and I believe at least the host instance admin and the user instance admin if not more admins.

    It does sound like folks might be thinking they were secretly/silently blocked because they are not aware that the mod log is public. It sounds like folks are not notified when a moderator action is taken. I think a better understanding of what one is agreeing to when interacting with each instance would resolve a lot of problems.

    In this post it sounds like a post was removed and then reposted a few hours later, resulting in a temporary ban. I'd ban the person too if I was a mod! But the Op didn't seem to realize their post was removed and a reason given. If they did, they might not have reposted it. posted this meme in response, resulting in the ban.

    Edit to correct factual errors..

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