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[–] 216 points 11 hours ago (10 children)

In GPS and RF denied environments too. You know, your typical search and rescue scenario.

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  • [–] 51 points 10 hours ago (9 children)

    In the very mild defense of this application, in a natural disaster situation, communications often are interrupted. Not GPS, though.

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  • [–] 34 points 8 hours ago (1 child)

    Yeah, for lack of a better explaination, GPS is just yelled at you from space everywhere on earth.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 hours ago

    That's a great way to put it. Your personal device probably can't show a map without network because it doesn't have that map downloaded, but it does know your coordinates. I doubt that's a problem S&R has, though.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

    The picture they provided literally says "Armed" and "Target LOCKED" in the corners of the screen.

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  • [–] 22 points 8 hours ago (1 child)

    ahh yes, for those search and rescue scenarios where someone is running away from you in a dense forest in a cave, in case you end up needing to perform rescues on the Terraria planet

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  • [–] 4 points 8 hours ago*

    Or maybe ... Under water!

    But for real caves are a very problematic area and having something self driven solves many of them. I am not talking about big caves here but small ones that are liked by cave divers to die in.

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  • [–] 162 points 11 hours ago (10 children)

    You are being rescued, do not resist!

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  • [–] 60 points 10 hours ago (29 children)

    I'm surprised that mass produced drone swarms haven't been deployed against populations yet. The economics of it is terrifying.

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  • [–] 59 points 10 hours ago* (2 children)

    I remember playing black ops 2 a long time ago and when a friend of mine played, he always used the drone swarm killstreak.

    I remember him laughing once about how the map we were on barely had cover from them.

    I told him he won't be laughing when it's us trying to run from a drone swarm in 20 years for stealing a rich cunt's clean water.

    Then we laughed at just how ridiculous that sounded.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 hours ago

    I remember playing black ops 2 a long time ago

    I told him he won’t be laughing when it’s us trying to run from a drone swarm in 20 years

    Well, CoD: Black Ops II came out in 2012, so if this tech gets commercialized in six years you'll be spot-on.

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  • [–] 18 points 9 hours ago (12 children)

    Ha, they'd never do that...

    btw, Have you noticed camo netting has gotten crazy expensive? Must just be inflation

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  • [–] 3 points 9 hours ago (11 children)

    Who gives a shit about nets those things have infrared heat detection.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 hours ago (6 children)

    That's why you need to use a survival blanket as an inner layer to reflect the heat, some neutral-colored canvas as a middle-layer, and the camo netting as an outer layer. Preferably with a few inches of separation between each one.

    Maybe add in some faraday fabric if you have anything that emits signals

    And an SDR on a raspberry pi with some python libraries to scan for incoming threats.

    It's not perfect but it's better than being a sitting duck

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  • [–] 2 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

    Hmmm. Problem I see with that is the thermal blanket reflects IR away from itself, so if you are inside of it, you still heat up.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

    Yes, and that keeps the warmth inside the tent, so that it's not visible to IR from the outside.

    You can test it first if you have an IR lens. If you're handy with solder you can build one with parts from arduino, mouser or similar

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  • [–] 4 points 6 hours ago (1 child)

    Oh, I meant that it essentially gets hotter over time. If you're on the move, that could become a problem pretty fast

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  • [–] 1 point 5 hours ago*

    Oh yeah, I was thinking if you had to hide a whole base of operations, command post, resupply depot, or sentinel outpost.

    If you're on the move in a scenario like this, then you'd need to have some means of taking down a drone, and hope to high hell you won't need to use it.

    Mud is a decent insulator so you could smear yourself with that. In the winter you could wear quilted fabrics under a windbreaker. Basically the more insulation keeping the cold off your skin, the more it's keeping your body heat from being visible to IR.

    I also think glass blocks heat radiation to some degree, so maybe using that as some type of parasol or shield, but that might be less feasible. Lining an umbrella with a survival blanket might be possible, but again test it with your own IR lens to be sure

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  • [–] 12 points 8 hours ago* (2 children)

    I'm surprised there hasn't been casual assassinations outside of war zones with them yet.

    There is this YouTube short movie about a future like that. The tiny drone just flies into someone's face with a small explosion to kill them.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=O-2tpwW0kmU

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  • [–] 2 points 3 hours ago

    For now they still need connectivity and a person that remotely controls them. It is very likely they jam the frequencies near important people already. Now, the time is near for autonomous seek-and-destroy drones that don't need connectivity.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 hours ago (7 children)

    We'll see these kinds of things in the next war. Russia and Ukraine would be there already if they had time to stockpile the drones rather than needing to deploy them as fast as they can be manufactured.

    With a few years of peace to build a reserve, there will more than enough drones and cheap spring-assisted launchers to serve as a terrifying new arm of MAD.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 hours ago (5 children)

    I'm not sure. Wars are won by costing the enemy's money these days. So they are using drones on infrastructure, becuase that costs more than soldiers.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

    Regardless of how wars are won, they are prevented by altering the risk picture for the enemy.

    This is also why many smaller NATO states are scrambling to procure long-range missiles outside of US control. In a hybrid war with Russia, they would control the escalation ladder - I.e. be able to yeet some high explosives at powerplants and fuel depots - rather than relying on Washington to grant permission.

    Ukraine has been doing similar with the flamingo and other cruise 'missile drone' projects. Iran as well - look at their response to US aggression.

    The trajectory is clear, mass precision strike is cheap and corresponding defense is not. Having a stockpile of millions of flying problems for your enemy to consider is the best deterrent short of nuclear weapons.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 hours ago (3 children)

    Right, but I thought you were saying we would see these things to the posts drones that can follow humans through the forest, not the general drones for hitting nonhuman targets.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

    Ukraine built 8 million drones in the first half of 2026. Many different types, but the majority of them are designed to directly attack humans and light vehicles.

    The limiting factor in their deployment is the number of operators - currently the most common operating model is 1 drone per operator at a time, which means there are only so many drones in the air at the same time. These kinds of hunting algorithms will allow the scale of drone warfare to increase by loosening the operator bottleneck.

    There is force generation (recruitment, manufacturing, organization, etc.) and force employment (actually using those resources to achieve goals). Force generation for unmanned systems is already mature - again we are making millions of these things already - further advancement will come in force employment.

    And what a fresh hell that will be.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 hours ago (1 child)

    The only way we can fight back is in tunnels. None of us know how to build tunnels.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 hours ago

    The expertise might be out there somewhere. The harder part is the equipment. If you're talking hand tools, it's going to be laborious and time consuming.

    If a net can trick the lidar though, you could set up a wall of net with a small opening to run through, and hope to high heaven the drone gets stuck in the net.

    It would require some precise planning though.

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    As a mechanical engineer it was horrifically saddening when I got a chance to talk with the smartest, highest achieving engineer in our cohort, ask him where he wanted to go when he graduated and he shrugged and said "I dunno, Raytheon or Boeing? Whatever pays the most haha."

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  • [–] 38 points 10 hours ago (5 children)

    That’s definitely going to be used for autonomous drone warfare.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 hours ago (4 children)

    The best time to start trap/skeet and get good at it was years ago. The second best time is now.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

    That isn't going to help you when 10 drones come at your location from different directions at 120 mph

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  • [–] 1 point 3 hours ago*

    In these sorts of conversations people tend to go with what's possible, not probable.

    Yes, the cops can hover over my house in a helicopter, scanning with FLIR, men repelling out, smashing in windows, chunking tear gas and tossing flash bangs. But if I have a warrent for my arrest, they're simply going start with knocking on the door.

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  • [–] 35 points 6 hours ago (4 children)

    I hate modern tech. When I was naiver I would see this project as incredibly cool and fascinating; I still think is very cool from a technical perspective. But knowing where and how it'll be used, is just sad.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

    This is why we should be teaching the humanities to engineers from the beginning. We should be questioning what value these things can bring and how said tech can be used to do the opposite. Don't just focus on the technical achievement, a flex of ego driven technique.

    I'm not saying, don't do something because it might have blow back but you have to weigh up the cost-benefit ratio.

    Recently there was a demo of a drone that spins in place so that it looks like a faint smudge rather than, well a drone. Their justification was that it could be used to do wildlife watching without interference with the animals... almost everyone else saw this as a near invisible bomb.

    Every day I see something new that makes me realize that there are too many in that field that do not think about these issues until it is too late. That they do not realize or do not care that their work will be leveraged into the next hell on earth until it is too late.

    Alas this is nothing new, Wernher von Braun by Tom Lehrer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjDEsGZLbio

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  • [–] 2 points 3 hours ago (1 child)

    I don't know how they were trying to observe the drone, but there are image processing techniques in the visible spectrum and signal processing techniques in the radar domain to detect rotating objects. Do you just mean a smudge to the naked eye?

    Also it makes no sense how a rotating drone would be good for wildlife watching. Wouldn't your sensor on the drone be rotating the whole time? That's another step of processing to continuously correct for a rotating reference frame.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 hours ago

    You can see it in action and yes the excuse was pretty weak. That said, this is at the stage that quad drones were in about 15-20 years ago. It might not be useful now but you can see the direction that are looking at.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7d42fAhAXs

    Also having a rotational image corrected on a modern SOC is fairly trivial on the GPU, I could see having a specific ASIC on board would be able to do it even easier. The most difficult thing would be having to compensate for a rolling shutter or doing away with that all together.

    I said it in a response further up, the technology of making the drone doesn't have to be perfect it just needs to add enough burden to the opposition that it becomes another vector to correct for. And those that don't do that will potentially end up being hit.

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  • [–] 29 points 5 hours ago* (3 children)

    hmmmmmmmmmm what's that green box in the corner say? squints

    Oh look another one...

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  • [–] 5 points 3 hours ago* (1 child)

    Armed is not what you think it means. Its referring to the motors. Typically when you go to take off you have to arm the drone before you can use the motors. You press a button on your radio and then can lift off.

    Target locked is 100% what it means though.

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  • [–] 27 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

    Ooh, movie idea: a take on The Most Dangerous Game where some rich dude uses an AI system to hunt humans for sport but the AI, being programmed to hunt something dangerous, determines that the rich dude is now the target because he’s the one setting the whole thing up. Tables are turned. Maybe the rich dude now finds himself in the trenches with the poor folks he’d captured?

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  • [–] 42 points 9 hours ago (4 children)

    In a timeline where the US war machine, among others, continues to function exactly like an infinite money glitch; we get to experience the privilege of watching an ever accelerating boom of brilliant innovations, all with the shared purpose of continuing to drive humanity backwards.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

    As it has ever been. Radar. GPS. Digital imagery. Friggin microwave ovens. All military-first inventions.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

    I read an interesting article that said our current scifi dystopia trajectory is more along the lines of Philip K. Dick than Asimov or Huxley. If you haven't seen screamers you might want to check it out. Basically there's a war between a megacorporation and a union of scientists, so the scientists invent autonomous drones that kill everything with a heart beat and of course the drones become sentient.

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  • [–] 18 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

    We need to start a Lemmy community collecting stories like this that chronicle the building of Skynet for future generations to know how it happened.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 hours ago (4 children)

    Who's ready for... ... ... manhacks?!

    You get a manhack, you get a manhack, everbody gets a manhack!!!

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  • [–] 14 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (2 children)

    Can't see where the original poster mentions search and rescue. Is that the joke?

    EDIT: sounded grumpy

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  • [–] 21 points 10 hours ago

    FWIW, I have met recruiters for drone companies who talk up their “search and rescue” as if their startup is funded exclusively by the Red Cross.

    Spoiler Alert: their founder was quoted saying that he wants to use drones to taser migrants crossing the border.

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  • The original poster maybe, but looking this up myself the first article I see has this quote.

    Search and rescue teams, filmmakers, and defense planners all share a common challenge: GPS coverage degrades precisely in the dense, complex environments where autonomous navigation matters most.

    That's probably part of what they're referring to. Part of it probably linked to an article like this Yahoo article I'm looking at that mentions Search and Rescue.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 hours ago

    Did they name it the Torment Nexus yet?

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  • [–] 7 points 9 hours ago

    Didn't take long to recreate the movie Runaway. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088024/

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  • [–] 7 points 7 hours ago

    Theodore Kaczynski knew things.

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