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[–] 120 points 16 hours ago (1 child)

OMG. This would be an epic "fuck you" to AIPAC.

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    [–] 37 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

    Holy shit, is our reality being generated by AI and/or The Onion these days?

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  • [–] 30 points 15 hours ago (5 children)

    Biggest regret I have is voting for him and not Kenyatta. I worried too much that the vote would split between Kenyatta and Fetterman and Lamb would sneak in. The vote for Fetterman vs Oz later on was a bit more black and white.

    Part of me would like to see Summer Lee take a shot at the senate, but I also enjoy having her as my rep. One of the few that doesn't accept AIPAC money, is vocal against ICE (and has been showing up to try and get access to their facilities without warning), and doesn't stand for Israel's bullshit. Campaigned for Sanders in '16 and endorsed him again in '20. Great voting record, and has good subcommittee experience.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 hours ago* (1 child)

    I worried too much that the vote would split

    This is the fear they use to corral us, one by one. "Bernie is unelectable!"

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  • [–] 4 points 5 hours ago

    To be fair, at the time both were in the camp with Bernie. Fetterman was a vocal supporter of LGBTQ rights, supporting people on picket lines, a bunch of union endorsements, and his glaring blindspot for Israel wasn't clear yet. For a time he wasn't even taking PAC money. I mean Lamb was running ads calling Fetterman a self proclaimed Democratic Socialist, and that sounded fucking great to me. He was also the local candidate for me. He was actually doing hands on work to change the very depressed town of Braddock for the better, in ways no other politician had bothered.

    In the moment it didn't really feel like the choice between the lesser of two evils.

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  • [–] 19 points 10 hours ago

    He supports a nationwide billionaire tax. Damn.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

    Good. Quasimodo needs to go. Dumb fuck can't be bothered to come into work and should be sent packing.

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  • [–] 18 points 4 hours ago

    Than you OP for including Ahmed Moor's name on your post. A lot of these posts don't include it, be sure to add Ahmed Moor's name to help with his name recognition.

    Also donate/volunteer if you can:

    https://www.moorforsenate.com/

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  • [–] 15 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

    Worst part about Fetterman is that it's not entirely clear if his stroke made him Republican or just broke his brain enough to make him go mask off and more extreme with his "not Republican" actual beliefs.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

    For about 1.5 years after the stroke, Fetterman's voting record was one of the bluest in the senate. If anything, it was kind of weird how a guy who campaigned on being different from the usual corporate democrats toed the party line so well.

    The narrative that his stroke turned hin conservative is fun, but does not hold up under scrutiny. I think AIPAC just got to him.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 hour ago*

    I do tend to agree that he was more left before the stroke, or at least more covert, though bluest in the Senate during a period of no substantive control really doesn't mean much. I'm the best runner when nobody else shows up to the race because there's no reward, too.

    This is the talking-point we always heard with Kamala Harris and how she was "More progressive than Bernie Sanders" lol. Or how Sinema was progressive... Until she was actually the deciding vote on something as pivotal as gutting the filibuster.

    The narrative that his stroke turned hin conservative is fun, but does not hold up under scrutiny.

    Genuinely curious, why?

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  • [–] 13 points 5 hours ago (10 children)

    I feel like the DSA is currently the left's tea party and I'm all for it.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 hours ago* (2 children)

    Except the Tea Party was astroturfed as fuck, by big GOP donors.

    This isn't.

    I know this, because I was once a Ron Paul Republican. End the Fed, Stop the Wars, that kinda thing. They co-opted that movement, at the time.

    They saw the 4chan driven 'money bombs' timed to coincide with reporting on campaign funding level announcements, and that Paul's campaign was literally self organizing... just a random organization sprung up, rented a fucking blimp, put Ron Paul ads on it, and flew it around the country.

    This had nothing to do with Paul's own campaign organization.

    It was literally just some guys.

    The GOP saw that kind of enthusiasm and then aped it, co-opted it, re-directed it, and called that the Tea Party.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 hours ago (1 child)

    That's really interesting! I remember the rallies and the Glen Beck "progressives" panic when Obama was elected. Trash all around!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 hour ago (6 children)

    That’s a really bad and uninformed take.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 hour ago (5 children)

    Most here understand that the Tea Party was astroturfed — arguably the very first movement to fully take advantage of Citizens United v. FEC.

    That said, I understand their sentiment.

    There is a way to push the buttons of populism for good, and Democrats are doing so. Except this time, it's a genuine grassroots movement, not necessarily requiring the Epstein Class of billionaires to bankroll them.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 hour ago* (4 children)

    That’s why I’m saying it’s the opposite of the tea party movement. And entire party based on manufactured lies and bankrolled by the Koch’s. The entire ensamble of the “grass roots movement” was made up by weekend warriors who could barley read let alone know what the fuck 1776 was about or what’s in the constitution. I could understand their sentiment if they said it was the opposite of what the tea party was.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 hour ago* (3 children)

    Doesn't seem that black-and-white to me. The movement was catalyzed by the likes of the Koch Brothers, but it did ultimately become somewhat self-sustaining. Tea Party did become maga after all. Both represent populist movements relative to their end of the political spectrum, which means they can't really be opposite in this respect.

    That doesn't mean they are equidistant from truth in a false equivalence fallacy; both are wrought from a dissatisfaction with the status-quo and corruption in Washington ("Drain the Swamp"). It's just that one is Left, and one is wrong in their approach to the solutions.

    Though I get that we don't want to necessarily associate such a movement at all with the Tea Party from a marketing standpoint, as that's often a comparison made in bad faith in corporate media.

    Side note, but my what Occupy Wall Street could've become had it had the same sort of catalysts and party-backing....

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  • [–] 1 point 1 hour ago (2 children)

    Occupy could have changed the course of the world is Dems had sacked up and not been corporate shills.

    The “movement” wasn’t just catalyzed by the Koch’s it was manufactured and bankrolled. It was “self sustaining” until the money ran out and Donald Trump appeared on the scene and mutated the whole thing into the murder hate treason cult that started to attract people hithrto had nothing to do with politics until the tea party turned into the kill and imprisons people I don’t like because they are different and I’m an idiot party which was really the tag line all along; violent xenophobia and racism. I remember it’s beginning and transformation into maga. And throughout the entire way it has been propped up by prominent monied business leaders the entire way through. It literally shares nothing in common with the progressive movement and comparing the two as like with like is not only disingenuous but revisionist.

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  • [–] 2 points 57 minutes ago (1 child)

    I was pretty involved in my local city's protest on this and I mostly agree with respect to Occupy. I think they were so shy and naive; Obama's tepid approval was the best they got, but even back then we know who controlled the airwaves — especially two years post-CU decision. Democrats felt like they were in a good spot and sealed the deal for years to come and we just had to "be patient," but you know how that went... Pissed me off. No use of bully pulpit to pressure from the top left right-wing media to do its thing and eviscerate the movement.

    Worth noting that Trump was there since the early days of the Tea Party; I remember arguing with Tea Party members about how Trump was right about Obama's birth certificate. He was an enormous catalyst to that conspiracy theory bullshit as well. They were always the same people sadly.

    I think we're talking past each other slightly on this. Nobody -- literally nobody -- disputes that Tea Party platform is polar-opposite to the demands of even SocDems let alone DemSocs; we're just stating that the astroturfing worked because it tapped into a dried kindling already yearning for ignition. Catalysts aside; platform aside, both are populist movements who reshaped the broader party and suppressed moderates in their own party. Where Tea Party moved Republicans right, DSA can move Democrats Left. That's pretty much where the similarities begin and end I'll agree.

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  • [–] 2 points 48 minutes ago*

    I remember the correspondents dinner or whatever it was where he clowned Donald Trump. I was much much younger then but it was like gangs of suburban dads roaming around with guns and total psychopaths. I don’t know if I would call it a populist movement because the whole thing was, in my opinion, and fever backlash to a president being black. I men the party just didn’t make any fucking sense.

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  • [–] 22 points 12 hours ago (9 children)

    What is this framing? Am I out of touch? There's not challenge here, Fetterman is already done. His position was weakened the moment he decided to betray his constituents. Even his own staff hate him. All he has is his current seat and when it comes to re-election he's going to bomb out regardless of who he goes up against. I think it's great that Ahmed Moor is going to run but his fight isn't going to be with Fetterman. There's a small chance the establishment dems realize they need to work with the socialists to get anything done but I doubt that'll happen so the fight will be with whomever the establishment puts in to replace Fetterman.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 hours ago (7 children)

    We understand that Fetterman's rep is over, but that isn't the problem. His replacement by another Dem is not assured. He barely won his seat, remember? We need to replace him in the primary with a great candidate who can beat a post-Midterm Republican, who will almost certainly NOT be promoting MAGA views, thus making him a challenging candidate.

    Fetterman's seat is going to be a ferocious battle.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 hours ago

    A great candidate who can beat a post-Midterm Republican

    Unfortunately, for the Democrats this means a right wing establishment Dem like Fetterman. In reality, this means a socialist who runs on working class policies.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 hours ago (5 children)

    I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm disagreeing with the framing in the article that implies Fetterman is somehow in the race (how else are you going challenge him?) when in reality he has no shot at running again.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 hours ago*

    Surely his name will be on primary ballots as the incumbent if he chooses to run again. He can decide and file as a Democrat like anybody else who can fill out a form and write a small check to the elections office.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 hours ago (3 children)

    The primary ...

    The thing you can't think of is the primary...

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  • [–] 0 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

    You want to explain what exactly can't I think of?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 hours ago (1 child)

    I’m disagreeing with the framing in the article that implies Fetterman is somehow in the race (how else are you going challenge him?) when in reality he has no shot at running again.

    The answer to the bolded question is: he will challenge him in the Dem primary

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  • [–] 0 points 1 hour ago

    All he has is his current seat and when it comes to re-election he’s going to bomb out regardless of who he goes up against.

    Just because his name will be on the ballot doesn't mean he has a chance to win. A challenge implies a failure state. There is no challenging Fetterman because there's no failure state to the challenge because Fetterman fails all on his own.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

    This past election a number of centrists vocalized such a disdain for the left that they would rather a republican win than have a progressive win.

    While he's not well liked amongst his peers, Israel loves him so that might be enough to keep him in.

    It will not be easy.

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  • [–] 5 points 14 hours ago
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    AIPAC will spend ten trillion dollars on this race. I’m looking forward to it.

    “Ahmed Moore did Oct 8 AND 9-11 and probably crucified Jesus!”

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  • [–] 5 points 4 hours ago

    Dooooo ittttttt!!!

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  • [–] 8 points 6 hours ago

    You love to see it. I'd vote for him if I could.

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  • [–] 4 points 14 hours ago

    How do I donate monthly?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 hour ago*

    “Maverick Democrat” is a very odd way to spell “conservative loon.”

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  • [–] 4 points 10 hours ago (1 child)

    Surely he won’t run again

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  • [–] 9 points 9 hours ago

    His MAGA friends will talk him into it. They'll try to compromise as many Dems as possible, frightening them that the dangers of Socialism are worse than MAGA.

    It won't work, we'll just elect more Socialists.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

    For the love of fuck we just had the election. Not even settled everywhere. And now we look to the next one.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 hour ago*

    This is the way, even if exhausting for some unfortunately. As I've said elsewhere 2028 Democratic Primaries officially kick off the moment polls close at midterms.

    For any viable challenger to an incumbent with the backing of foreign and domestic mega-donors, it's important to hit the ground running and seize on this momentum right out of the gate!

    Personally, this makes me very excited!

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  • [–] 3 points 6 hours ago

    I'll be watching his interview over my lunch break.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 hours ago

    Who's uncle Fester?

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  • [–] 1 point 19 minutes ago

    Man this race is going to be insane. Can’t wait for it. I’m looking forward to see who speaks out against moor so we can cancel them

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  • [–] 1 point 13 hours ago

    Start campaigning now :)

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  • [–] 1 point 5 hours ago (4 children)

    Will DNC fund his campaign? I mean Fetterman's of course. Will DNC fund his campaign after he switches to GOP?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 hours ago (3 children)

    Wow. It sounds both absurd and likely simultaneously! They already spend millions against any progressive Dem, so why not just fund the GOP candidate directly?

    The Dem Party is completely co-opted by neoliberal conservatives and must be demolished and rebuilt if we are to convert it into a progressive party.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (2 children)

    They already spend millions against any progressive Dem, so why not just fund the GOP candidate directly?

    Can you give me a single example of this DNC (meaning since February 2025) spending money against any progressive?

    Like, is there any reality you're basing your predictions on?

    Edit:

    Cool, so still nothing the DNC has done, because the DNC doesn't (and shouldn't) control state parties.

    Great to hear it's still just people making shit up

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  • [–] 3 points 3 hours ago

    They backed Hailey Stevens against Abdul. Most primaries were against progressives. There is usually a bias for encumbents, but a bigger bias to go with AIPAC in primaries. They gave extremely little to Angie Nixon in final senate race (FL). BS against Graham Platner with mediocre support for Maine winner was explicit attempt at losing. That is just the high profile stuff.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

    The DNC has notoriously close connections to PACs like Fix The City and Defend NYC that funded Cuomo and ran millions in ads against Mamdani (as a recent, nationally recognized example). All while the DNC conspicuously withheld millions from Mamdani they would normally spend to support any other candidate in his position.

    Those PACs lifted talking points and language directly from DNC leadership, as they always do, because they are deeply intertwined with Dem establishment leadership. Pretending it's not happening is to side with the billionaires who fund those PACs while also spending excessive time at dinners, events and coincidental vacation destinations with their establishment, neoliberal DNC leadership friends. Are you going to pretend that's not happening too?

    And don't get me started on how they've famously resisted AOC at every turn, year after year.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 hours ago (1 child)

    Would it be considered elder abuse if he just has a stroke during a debate?

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    [–] 27 points 16 hours ago

    Oh fuck yeah. Please be real.

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  • [–] 20 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

    Ahmed Moor. Saying it here because he's not a genocidal piece of shit, so his name isn't in the headline.

    Fetterman won by running as a progressive. It was a lie, clearly. He's governed as a centrist.

    That hasn't changed what the voters want. Fetterman and the centrist wing he represents defrauded his voters out of 6 years of representation.

    Go ahead, centrists. Protect the incumbent from a primary challenger like you did for Henry Cuellar but not Cori Bush or Jamaal Bowman.

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    This should be the easiest fucking primary ever.

    Fetterman's a conservative. Any centrist they run will be a genocider that doesn't care if you can afford groceries or not. If this person pulls a Zohran and sticks to the message, they'll win.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 hours ago (1 child)

    There will likely be a centrist primary challenger making it a three way race.

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    [–] 12 points 13 hours ago

    Fetterman is such an abject disgrace. I'm ashamed I voted him in and relish the opportunity to replace him.

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  • [–] 7 points 13 hours ago

    America first policies vs Israel first policies. This would be an interesting debate to watch.

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    [–] 6 points 13 hours ago

    I hope he gets flattened like the sack of shit he is.

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