Also the reason Giraffes eat from down-wind, so that nearby plants do not deploy (evolved over a long timescale) self-defense mechanisms

You can't just be spouting off crazy shit like this online and not citing your sources!

C'mon, plants can't be intelligent! Our top scientists and science fiction writers have proven it!

(Now will anyone actually get the reference)

A warning to do what? Run?

The typical smell from cut grass is actually microbes. The soil is very much disturbed by the way we cut grass (not talking about reaping hay/wheat/etc here, just your typical suburbanite with a lawn mower). I can't remember what they are now for the life of me, but the microbiology professor at my college loved explaining to the younguns that the reason the local water tasted/smelled bad (compared to most places) was that the same variety of microbe responsible for the cut grass smell was present in high concentrations in the source for the city water. Once he pointed it out, you could pick out the similarity.

I too love the smell of suffering.

I mean, it's not good right?

think they even have rudimentary ways of chemical signaling one another that could be seen as communication but I don’t think they have feelings as we use the word and I don’t think they’re intelligent on any level.

Just to play devil's advocate.... The more we understand about consciousness and the more we study animals like invertebrates, the more we keep finding out our previous assumptions keep getting proven wrong.

Terms like feelings, emotions, and intelligence are all open to interpretation and debate.

My take on life is that to live is to kill, so I'm obviously fine with it, but I also think I don't really have the right to claim that something isn't capable of pain.

Plus we're finding out more and more that pretty much every living thing feels pain. Even bacteria have stress and pain responses.

It's used to discourage effort and to minimize the suffering of non-human animals by trivializing it: "even plants feel pain, pain is everywhere, there is no point thinking about reducing pain and suffering, it's futile."

Such people usually have some other criteria of "who matters", which ignores suffering. Usually, it's a hierarchy.

The same hierarchy extends, at upper levels, to human intraspecies hierarchies, which is how you realize that the AI bro TESCREALists are fascists, racists, eugenicists and so on. They mention sentience in passing, and then skip to "intelligence", a much more vague concept, but something that they love to track ... as in the tradition of IQ and race science.

Seems more niche than the ai argument but idk it's clearly something that happens often enough to you to bother you so go off monarch

There are theories that managers are sentient.