I’ve been looking at phones lately and I’ve seen this company called Enough from their YouTube kickstarter video. It’s them and SLEKE (maker of OdesseyOS) working on building a nice size phone. I’m thinking of supporting their kickstarter because I am tired of these humongous phablets, and I can’t stand on how they feel in my hand when holding them.

The phone has everything I want but I am really wondering if the bootloader will be unlockable.

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Some important edits that should be added; (after looking on Enough’s website and kickstarter)

  1. No unlockable bootloader
  2. No sideloading
  3. On Enough’s website, storage is expandable by MicroSD or that same space is using a physical SIM card and you have the option for eSIM
  4. No headphone jack, but a USBC to 3.5mm converter is given if you do the kickstarter
  5. Stock android or OdessyOS only (from SLEKE); no flashing capabilities at all
  6. Replaceable battery
  7. Price of phone from kickstarter:
  8. Super Early bird price: $399 USD (sold out)
  9. Early bird: $449 USD
  10. Kickstarter special; $499 USD
  11. Retail price after campaign: $599 USD

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[–] 33 points 1 day ago (17 children)

I might have simply missed it, but I didn't see mention of expandable storage, and the provided storage is quite small. I also specifically noted the lack of 3.5mm (they will provide a USB adapter, but those are frail and prone to failure). Bluetooth is nifty and all, but when I'm on mile 7 of a marathon or even a half and my headphones die, I will be filled with a supernova-class rage that a reliable wired option was never provided (an inevitability). All that, mixed with the low specs, is completely a nonstarter. If there was a headphone jack I might feel differently, but this ain't it.

Slightly related concern, did anyone see that extremely condescending video from Nothing that was basically like "small phones are for nerds, and only idiots want phones thick enough for headphone jacks. Want to debloat your software? How about no OS at ALL so this expensive gadget does not function!" Talk about rage baiting. Fuck those guys.

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  • [–] [S] 17 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    I remember that video. I was in full support of Nothing until that came out, I lost complete respect of them after that. Just another company that went completely against their motive and a wanna be Apple😒😒

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  • [–] 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Nothing is so weird, adding AI buttons that can't be remapped and adding lots of new unasked features to their OS.

    They had a niche and botched it completely.

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  • [–] 3 points 20 hours ago

    I'm starting to think that Carl Pei gets off on making good but somewhat unfinished phones for a few generations and then following them up with bloated, confusing garbage. OnePlus did the same thing.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Tbh I originally thought that video was serious and got excited :(

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  • [–] 15 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    Yeah, same. And I was not prepared for the level of outright contempt they showed toward their fans with that one. "These are our most requested features by our customers," proceeds to call them nerds and laughs as they brag about not building said features.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 13 hours ago

    They do but its in the same spot as the physical sim. So its either one or the other with esim. They have more then enough room to make a spot for physical sim and micro sd; i dont get why they didnt go that route.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

    when I'm on mile 7 of a marathon or even a half and my headphones die

    That's a user error though, and only your own fault. Most BT headphones will outlast even slow marathon runners these days, so if yours die at mile 7, you're the cause because you came unprepared by not charging your gear.

    Having a wire dangling down your body for a HM or marathon would be absolute hell for me though.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 day ago (5 children)

    In theory there are a number of "true wireless" buds that claim 4+ hours. In practice battery degradation is real. Charging can also be inconsistent. Even Apple's own Airpods have failed to recharge inside their case for me and virtually everyone that I know that has them. Not Airpods, but my BT pair doesn't last 1.5 hours on a full charge, anymore, and charging has become incredibly inconsistent. But you know what doesn't need recharging? You know what doesn't experience battery degradation and forced obsolescence? Just gimme my goddamn headphone jack. "User error" gtfoohwt

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  • [–] -5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

    Not checking and double checking, and/or knowingly choosing gear with issues (low battery life or inconsistent performance) are great examples of user error. These are nothing but examples of you making the wrong decisions leading up to something (presumably) important. It's the equivalent of complaining that wired earbuds are shit because you chose a pair with a bad wire/mini jack.

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  • [–] -1 points 14 hours ago (1 child)

    "Yes, hello, Comcast? My internet stopped working."

    "Oh, that's user error. You should have done your research and seen that our product isn't reliable."

    Lmao

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  • [–] 0 points 3 hours ago

    You're comparing apples to oranges here, because your internet connection is not something you have control over or can do anything about. Checking that your headphones are fully charged before running a marathon is absolutely something you can (and should) do something about, and you know in advance if your device has issues and should plan accordingly with a contingency. Anything less is you planning badly.

    ...but being surprised that Comcast is a highly unreliable ISP really is on you, that is almost common knowledge these days.

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  • [–] 72 points 1 day ago (31 children)

    This device has banned sideloading. Wouldn't go anywhere near it.

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  • [–] 55 points 1 day ago (14 children)

    sideloading installing applications from any source in a device you own.

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  • [+] -15 points 22 hours ago (13 children)

    Yes, thank you for using 10 words to describe what I did in 1.

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  • [–] 26 points 22 hours ago (8 children)

    Their point is that "sideloading" is a PR framing device to relabel a complete reasonable action i.e. "to install any Software on your device" to something which is not intended, advised and should not be desired.

    Yes, the term "sideloading" is more distinct but it carries baggage

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  • [–] 7 points 20 hours ago

    Sideloading has been a word for installing apps that aren't from a store at least since I started using Android in early 2010. There was never any negative connotation, aside from the acknowledgment that you wouldn't get automatic updates.

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  • [–] 5 points 15 hours ago

    You're adding negative connotations to words that have none. That's like saying that we should rename piracy to "downloading media from alternative sources" or whatever just because corpos are anti-piracy. We use these words because they are precise and concise. Big tech is anti those words. We are pro those words. The word itself is neutral. "Sideloading" is a meaningful category because big tech makes it so by forbidding it, or making users have to use workarounds to do them. "It's not sideloading; it's just installing apps onto the phone you own"—well, that would be lovely, but that's not currently the case.

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  • [–] -4 points 22 hours ago (5 children)

    I'm fully aware of what their point is. My point is it's a senseless boogeyman distinction that someone made up about a word that precedes Google, and replaces it with a much longer phrase.

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  • [–] 4 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (3 children)

    This device has banned sideloading installing an app. Wouldn't go anywhere near it.

    Surely you can see how that wouldn't have conveyed the message I was sending in my comment?

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  • [–] -2 points 19 hours ago* (2 children)

    "Installing an app from 3rd parties"; cmon I don’t have to hold your hand :/

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  • [–] 2 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 child)

    And now we're back to using an unnecessarily long phrase that can be replaced with a single word. That's what words are for. And you're now not only being dumb but also a jerk so you're being blocked. 👋

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  • [–] 1 point 18 hours ago* (2 children)

    I think he meant "installing" but kept going.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (14 children)

    TL;DR: a stock Android option is available where you still can sideload

    that’s only if you choose the “anti-distraction” OS where nearly no apps are available. stock android is also an option (on which sideloading is still very much possible but harder with a waiting period after the restrictions you’ve probably heard of).

    i think this feature of the anti-distraction OS is probably a misstep if it can’t be overridden, but you do not have to use the anti-distraction OS at all.

    Edit: Added TL;DR

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  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago (13 children)

    It just says "Android OS", which can mean a lot of different things. No one would actually want "stock Android". But whatever it is is probably better than their own OS.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    What do you mean "no one would want stock android"?

    That's the whole selling point of the Pixel serie phones. No 3rd party bloat or unwanted features, quick updates, etc.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 23 hours ago (7 children)

    Android OS is just another word for Google and Oddessy Os is for someone who wants minimalistic features. I’ve seen a lot of phones pushing that lately but then they don’t have features or capabilities that they should have.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 22 hours ago (5 children)

    They do have they own OS called Chrome OS (for computers) but for these phones, especially now sideloading is going to be difficult or not happen at all, you can basically call stock android, Google, cause that is all Google is gonna want you to use.

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  • [–] 1 point 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (4 children)

    They do have they own OS called Chrome OS

    Yes and they have another one called Android. Google is a search engine. And a company. Again, not an OS.

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  • [–] 3 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 child)

    It was originally conceived to replace Android, but then it got relegated to Google Home devices, and now it's basically just a REST client for Gemini that's bleeding users because Gemini on smart home stuff sucks even more than Gemini normally.

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    [–] 21 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    The iPhone 5/5s was probably the perfect phone for me in terms of comfortable one handed use. Something like that again would be perfect.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 1 day ago

    Yeah… that size is perfect. I remember having the 6s plus ( my first iPhone) it was 5.5 in, so only .2 inches taller than the Enough Phone. When that phone was done, I struggled with finding a phone I was comfortable with ever since.

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  • [–] 20 points 21 hours ago

    Locked bootloader means it's a pass, unfortunately.

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  • [–] 19 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

    Locked bootloader is a no-go for me, I'm 100% on the GrapheneOS train now. But I do hope that smaller phones make some kind of comeback, I also hate how big they've gotten over the years.

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  • [–] 2 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

    What's the smallest graphene phone one can get ?

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  • [–] 19 points 1 day ago (7 children)

    Company: I don't wanna make a big phone. Waste of resources, engineers say no difference.

    Older users: I want a big phone. I can't see shit on the existing models

    Company: ok I'll make one, but it'll cost ya. Markets small and all that, plus old users are not in line with our brand.

    Older users: ok done.

    Fomo users: zomg! More expensive phone must be good! Buys them. Does the exact same thing on the gigaphone

    Company: hey, we might be on to something here. Proceeds to add useless features no one wants or uses whole jacking up the prices.

    Older users: wtf is this phone asking me for my satellite launch codes?

    Capitalism sucks.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    Older user here: My iPhone 12 mini is plenty big enough for me. I was happy with the iPhone 4, really.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

    I always bought the smallest smartphone I could get my hands on until I hit my late 40s and my eyes weren't so good anymore, now I get the biggest. Don't know why companies don't just cater to both. Different people got different needs.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (2 children)

    I loved the 4. I dropped it while looking for a lost dog, and ran it over with a car, which finally broke it for good. I tried to get my account transferred to a friend’s old iPhone 4, but the guy at the store (this was before SIMs in iPhones, I think, so they needed to transfer your phone service over in store) said he literally couldn’t do it and tried to sell me the 8. No idea if that was correct, but I didn’t buy it.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    If the solution presented at an Apple store is "buy new product" it's likely just fishing for a sale. Use a 3rd party and they'll do the work and not gaslight you.

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  • [–] 2 points 23 hours ago

    Oh god, I didn’t go to an Apple Store! I went to T-Mobile (iirc, but maybe it was Cingular?). Probably not significantly better, but nobody looking at me with two iPhones 4, one smashed to smithereens, and one just most of a decade old, thought they were getting a sale, lol

    This was before I was able to go outside of my provider (I had been a T-Mobile customer and I brought in a sprint iPhone, back when they were still locked and I didn’t have a SIM card yet- after that, I could switch to whatever). I eventually brought the guy a 5s and he could switch it over, but it was 2019, to be fair, and the 8 was the oldest option they had available in store.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago

    I think it's simply that there's a balance between the usability of a small screen vs the clarity/added real estate of a big screen, and the line between those is different for everyone. The bigger devices tend to have better battery performance too.

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  • [–] 16 points 9 hours ago

    Android? Locked? No thanks, never again...

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  • [–] 13 points 10 hours ago (1 child)

    what happened to #7?

    WHY WAS #7 DISAPPEARED? WHAT WAS HIS OFFENSE, ENJOYING A SUCCULENT CHINESE MEAL?!

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  • [–] 14 points 19 hours ago

    Locked bootloader, no headphone jack, dealing with a kickstarter. I'd absolutely risk the last one for the first two.

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  • [–] 7 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

    They don't seem to understand what people actually want from phones.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 14 hours ago

    The only small phone ive seen that is getting the attention it deserves is the Mudita Kompakt. Ive been paying attention to all the software updates and they look really good, plus you can sideload. Its a minimalistic e ink phone but it has way more features than the Enough Phone.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 hour ago

    If it had wireless charging, I would've backed the kickstarter already. Without it, I'll hold on to my S22 for now and see how the reviews go once it's released. But this is the size I want with most of the features I want.

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  • [–] 7 points 22 hours ago (1 child)

    As soon as parts became astronomically expensive, suddenly they're all interested in scaling their phones down. Just a coincidence I'm sure

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 20 hours ago

    If your talking about the specs, thats defitinely purposeful but the phone is being advertised towards the digital minimalism community, hence where SLEKE comes in. The phone is loosing so much potential and customers by making it too niche.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago

    I don’t need a new phone anytime soon but if I needed one, my dream phone would be the build of the iPod Touch 5 (I love the small reachable screen and thin body) but with a good set of cameras, long battery, and modern features, and without risking bending or anything. Not possible I don’t think, at least good battery in such a small package, but that would be my dream.

    Funny enough I have a large phone right now. I love the battery life but the size does really bother me. I like to use my phone with one hand but it’s incredibly inconvenient with a large phone. I don’t have tiny hands but barely reaching the opposite edge of the screen isn’t the most comfortable.

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  • [–] 5 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (9 children)
  • [–] [S] 3 points 15 hours ago (8 children)

    It dosent support most of the US 4g bands, unfortunatly.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (7 children)

    Ah, sorry. My bad.

    I've been considering this one myself but it's a bit funky

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTmbxHQRSZ4

    Dunno what your bands are there but the spec sheet has B1, B3, B5, B7, B8, B20, B28, B34, B38, B39, B40 and B41.

    Might be more US friendly version? If not, I know the folks over on XDA forum tend to flash custom firmware with these.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 7 hours ago (6 children)

    Dam, not even close. Are band size is so small .

    We have here 2,4,5,12,13,14,66,71. 13 and 71 are critical for rural coverage.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (5 children)

    Hmm. I think the issue with all these phones is that the modems can support those bands just fine but they're generally tuned for Asian and European markets. Predominantly because those sorts of phones sell en mass there, maybe.

    For example, I have a duoquin F22 pro (think modern Nokia). I know that folks over on XDA have flashed CFW to region unlock them for US.

    You might be able to find what you want (the Cubots sound like a near match) quite cheaply but you'll have to check XDA for CFWs first. Quite a few of these phones ship with unlocked bootloaders and AOSP by default so they are pretty easy to tinker with.

    Else... How do you feel about the JellyStar?

    https://www.unihertz.com/products/jelly-star

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 4 hours ago

    The US unfortunately has a monopolized market of either Google, Apple, Samsung or Oneplus phones. We really don’t have a lot of options unless if you buy an older phone from like 2016-2018 that can still give you LTE service, with the screen size is about 5.8 inches. Everything else is either too old/ obsolete, can’t used bands due to shutdown of 2G/3G, or it doesn't ship here cause of lack of band support or cost.

    And these niche communities of phones (unless you look at some of the privacy focused ones) is not really helping that market either.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 4 hours ago (1 child)

    I also tried to look up on where to buy the Duolingo F22 Pro, I couldn’t find it anywhere on where to buy i, but I know you can use it here.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

    I got mine off Aliexpress, fwiw.

    https://www.aliexpress.com/w/wholesale-duoqin-f22-pro-phone.html

    The phone itself is awesome. The T9 keyboard is ass (the membrane they used is just not good). I got mine in 2022 iirc. I cycle between my Samsung A20 (yes, it still works well, 9 yrs in) and the local equivalent of the TCL flip (android 8.1 based).

    I actually just installed this on it and it's blazing fast STT now -

    https://github.com/maxmilneaus/tt9-whistle

    Edit to add: I have the F21 (the smaller one, candybar). The F22 is about the same height and an iphone, except halfish of the width.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 5 hours ago (1 child)

    I had one but the software was ass. I only had it for 3 months before recycling it. Screen is way too small, debugging it made it hella glitchy, there’s not really a true custom rom installation for it, and launching most apps made it buggy. I got so tired of it. Then I started reading about Unihertz’s track record of their devices receiving poor software and customer support, so I decided to not deal with that company ever again.

    when it comes to small screens like that, the smallest I’ll do is close to 4.3-4.5 inches. 3 is way to small.

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  • Yeah, that was my feeling on it too. Cute, but too itty bitty. I already have an android flip phone if I want that form factor.

    It sounds like the Cubots would be ideal for you...IF you can find evidence of CFW unlocking your regional bands.

    Sorry dude. Chin up - they nuked 3G here entirely. Which means none of the good, old phones work at all. I have a Nokia N95 that's awesome but I can't do squat with it as a phone any more.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago (7 children)

    Put a snapdragon in it and I'm sold

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (4 children)

    Snapdragon chips tend to not be unlockable unless the carrier or manufacturer deems it so.

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  • [–] 4 points 17 hours ago

    if anyone here is fine with Android 8 then i can reccomend https://shop.shift.eco/shift5me as a small repairable phone with replaceable battery and headphone jack for like 200€.
    The ressources are quite limited and it does not have NFC but if its just a phone for simple tasks it can be enough (check if your banking app supports Android 8!)

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    I want one !

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