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[–] 29 points 4 days ago

Put the pronouns back on the Christmas card aunt Karen!

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  • [–] 28 points 4 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

    If I'm lucky they'll finally shut the fuck up about "Somalians"* and talk about football instead, even though I don't really care about football.

    *(I understand "Somalians" isn't what they're called, but the racists in my family never bothered to learn that.)

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  • [–] 77 points 3 days ago (10 children)

    Going to buy a bottle of Blue Curacao, and learn some delicious blue cocktails.

    Offer a Blue Wave to all my Uncles :)

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  • [–] 19 points 3 days ago (3 children)

    One that sounds amazing to me is Electric Iced Tea. It's basically a long island, but replacing triple sec with the blue Curacao and cola with sprite or something.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 days ago (3 children)

    Get some malibu, white rum and pineapple juice. It's called a blue Hawaiian.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    That's a good start, but it would be even better to think of some 'woke' themed twist on it that makes it into a Blue Wave. I'm drawing a blank on what that twist would be, but I'm sure someone who's better at cocktails and/or wordplay than me could think of something really good. My first thought was replacing white rum with a diverse mix of rum tones, but that would kind mess up the blue colour.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 days ago

    My uncle already had a nervous breakdown talking to me while collecting my rent.

    Oh well.

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  • [–] 97 points 4 days ago (51 children)

    Who the fuck still does holidays with their MAGA relatives?

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  • [–] 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    That's the weird thing. There's millions of people who would never hurt anybody up close and personal, but happy to keep hurting people far away by their choices. The same disconnect often applies to the negative consequences that hit them.

    In those cases, if they're family, and you're used to seeing them, you can find yourself having superficially friendly interactions, they will be genuinely happy to see you, etc... And they will vote for death camps without a single pang of conscience because it seems like the normal thing they've always done.

    I don't think they're the majority, but they're certainly numerous enough to be the primary enablers of a fascist takeover.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 days ago*

    The ‘white moderate’

    I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season."

    Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

    —Dr. Martin Luther King Jr

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  • [–] 47 points 4 days ago (4 children)

    The many people that can't afford living out of their parents' basement

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  • [–] 17 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    Can't afford moving out of it?

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  • [–] 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    I get dragged with. Really debating putting my foot down on the Mega church visit this Christmas though. Such a vile place.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    If you want to go to a church on Christmas, you should go to a legitimately Christian church. Regardless of whether you want to go to church on Christmas, you should avoid Christofascist churches. Christofascism is antithetical to Christianity.

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  • [+] 6 points 3 days ago (3 children)
  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    I don't disagree with your point overall, but there do seem to be plenty of kids that grow up despising their conservative parents' positions on politics. The question of whether they even want to spend time with their conservative family even implies this.

    It's also possible that they will be the last person they'd listen to, since conservative families can have a lot of contempt for each other and care more about the hierarchy than who is right.

    But that said, I fully agree that just cutting off people for being awful ends to driving them into the arms of other awful people. And if there's a lot of it, it can do things like get Trump elected because they are tired of being treated like the bad guys but get galvanized instead of discouraged.

    It's also the goal of the divide and conquer strategy the ruling class is using to make us easier to manage.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 hours ago

    I'm fully convinced that the "banish them!" strategies from the 2010 era internet is what got us Trump. I've personally known multiple crazies in the US back then that told me they went from Democrats to trump because of it. Yes, they were crazies, but they wouldn't have gone Trump if they were able to be crazies amongst us.

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  • [–] 26 points 4 days ago (33 children)

    Most healthy members of society dude 😭

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  • [–] 5 points 3 days ago (4 children)

    Not conservative, not "republican": MAGA.

    My MAGA relatives are some of the worst human beings I've met. Hateful, loud, dumb bigots that seem unable to act like a decent human being for more than a few minutes at a time. I've heard the shit they've let slip out and they meant (and mean) every word.

    They're not welcome in my home and I am sure as shit am not wasting my time on them.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 days ago (3 children)

    Conservative, republican, and MAGA are interchangeable. You don't get to claim to be one without the others. They're all the same at this point.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 days ago* (1 child)

    There are degrees of shitbaggery. There are people that can be redeemed without too much pain.

    Nobody is an angel: everyone has harmful views and does bad things -- it's just a question quantity and quality. As much as it sucks the reality is if we set the bar too high we're going to spend life alone ... and risk being a hypocrite as well.

    So we tolerate peoples failings as we hope they tolerate ours. We grow and redeem ourselves by learning of our flaws and blind spots from other people.

    That being said there's a line where its not worth it. Everyone has to decide where that is for themselves.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago*

    American conservatism and American republicanism are interchangeable with MAGA.

    Being a "republican" means different things based on context. The American Republican party is interchangeable with MAGA. The same is generally true of conservatism, although modern conservatism is always a harmful ideology.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 days ago (3 children)

    Yes, healthy members of society spend time with their pedophile supporting extending family. Right.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    I am not weak enough to give up on someone. Every meeting is a chance to educate them

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  • [–] 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (13 children)

    Our families invite process is fairly simple. If you can't last family time during holiday without talking politics, you aren't invited. I think that's a fairly healthy ask. I think only one person was excluded from family planning/gathering due to it, but thankfully the feeling was mutual because they couldn't isolate their political side from their actual personality and as such didn't want to be in an environment where they couldn't talk politics anyway.

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  • [+] -13 points 3 days ago (11 children)

    Ah.. "don't ask; don't tell". Everything is fine even if Uncle Steve is diddling your daughter (or son) while everyone else is watching football after the family feast.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (10 children)

    Different scenario so therefore different rules. It may surprise some people on Lemmy but, not everyone that has a different political orientation is molesting children or some other extremity. Shocker I know.

    There's a time and a place for politics for either side. Family time isn't one. We don't want to be associated with people who can't respect that. Regardless of political orientation.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago* (1 child)

    Not everyone that has a different political orientation is molesting children or some other extremity.

    True.

    Family time isn’t a time and place for politics for either side.

    I believe people have a responsibility to hold family accountable. Politics rest on ethics, and supporters of the modern-day US Republican party have chosen hate over morality. A family gathering is an ideal time to hold family accountable. Naturally, exceptions should be made for events such as funerals and wakes.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

    I understand your opinion, and I do agree it's the family's responsibility to hold people accountable. However, there is a time and a place for everything.

    I firmly disagree that family bonding time during holiday is the time for it. And that feeling is mostly shared throughout my immediate family.

    I personally wouldn't attend family gatherings that were containing political talks, to be honest, It spits in the face of the entire point of family bonding time to try to be pushing a political sway and goes against the entire point of meeting for holiday which is family time bonding and having fun.

    those type of subjects generally cause more tension or isolation than bonding. So are better off as a more one-on-one than an entire family thing. A one-on-one also allows it to feel more organic. Someone is going to be way less receptive to any reasoning if they're being put on the spot during a family dinner than if you were to just approach them during casual free time. Results caused by peer pressure rarely work out in the long run, in order to discuss opposing views, you need to keep the person you're talking to open for discussion.

    Personally, I feel isolating out the family members who can't separate their political identity from their person is more than adequate for keeping family time as a bonding time instead of an infomercial/trying to pursuade people on differing opinions while getting the point across quite nicley.

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  • [+] -9 points 3 days ago (7 children)

    Did I say slightly right or are you moving the goal posts? Yeah, you're moving the goal posts. Be accountable. Hold others accountable - especially family.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

    you initiated the reply with a goalpost move what did you expect it to be ignored? Either way I think you are trolling me so I'm disengaging.

    For context on their claim(which I had edited prior to their comment as it didn't really matter to the post): My original reply stated that just because someone is slightly right doesn't mean they molest kids. It had no place in the comment as it doesn't matter the reason: Politics have zero place at family time.

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  • [–] -3 points 3 days ago (3 children)

    you initiated the reply with a goalpost move

    I did no such thing. I said hold your fucking family accountable. Not doing so just because it "ruins thanksgiving dinner" is a piss-poor excuse. It's this playing nice with family members that allows them to continue comfortably being racists and/or pedophiles. Quit enabling them.

    Politics have zero place at family time.

    This is the most important time. When the fuck else are you going to do it? Jesus fucking christ, hold your family accountable for not being awful people. If you fail to do that then you, too, are an awful person. Maybe you didn't know that before, but now you do and you have no further excuse.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago* (2 children)

    for not being awful people

    I think you meant "for being awful people".

    If I am correct, and that is what you meant, I agree with your sentiment that family time is the most important and useful time to hold family accountable, and that holding family accountable is a moral imperative.

    I did no such thing [a goalpost move].

    I won't deny that American conservatism protects pedophiles. But you equated conservatism with committing direct molestation of a child, which was a goalpost move.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago (1 child)

    I think you meant “for being awful people”.

    I stated it weirdly, but you got the intent.

    I won’t deny that American conservatism protects pedophiles. But you equated conservatism with committing direct molestation of a child, which was a goalpost move.

    No, I stated that people allow pedophilia to continue out of deference to keeping the peace within the family. I did not say maga == pedophiles. Refusing to have difficult conversations with family members to hold them accountable allows the bad behavior to continue without challenge or consequence.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago*

    I did not say that MAGA == pedophiles.

    It reads as though you implied it when you said "everything is fine even if Uncle Steve is diddling your daughter (or son)" sardonically. But yes, you didn't say it outright. And yes, I agree that MAGA condones pedophilia.

    Refusing to have difficult conversations with family members to hold them accountable allows the bad behavior to continue without challenge or consequence.

    You have my complete agreement on this point.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago (7 children)

    That's not healthy. That's enabling.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

    After Election Day 2024 I completely cut my republican father out of my life. He never was maga, but he was celebrating trimp's win (ironically by listening to a Woodie Guthrie cd I got him). I did not speak to him for almost a year and a half, then in April I found out he was going to group therapy. I am unsure of the exact nature of the GT but one of his friend's that is in the GT said it is to redeem them.

    We still do not have the close relationship that we used to have, and I doubt we ever will again.

    The crazy thing is he used to be a long haired hippie fighting for freedoms and protecting protesting the Vietnam war.

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    [–] 16 points 3 days ago (5 children)

    I'm no contact with my conservative relatives. My family is shattered over politics and will never have a large family gathering ever again.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 days ago* (4 children)

    My family is shattered over many things, hatred, queerphobia, racism, misogyny, lust for violence, supporting pedophilia, supporting genocide. The magats can frame it as "politics", but I'll call it out for what it is.

    I would never disown a family member over politics.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    Most of my family are Alberta separatists so political in my case

    Those people are largely those same descriptors you said too though lol

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  • [–] 2 points 2 days ago

    Fair. Politics can get real messy without ever reaching the the things you listed.

    I have my hills to die on like free effective mass transportation in every city & I'm extremely anti car centric infrastructure but I'm not calling anyone fucking removed (despite me calling myself a removed) over that let alone going no contact. I went no contact because she's an abusive narcissistic pathological liar.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 days ago

    Jokes on you! I cut everyone off and went full NC! 🫶🏻✌🏼

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  • HAPPY HOLIDAYS MOTHERFUCKERS!

    FREEDOM!

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  • [–] 10 points 4 days ago

    why waste your breath on them

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  • [–] 3 points 3 days ago (4 children)

    Just deserts and just desserts!

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago* (3 children)

    Lol, I had right the first time..then was like, wait. Gah!!

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    Well, you often have dessert at holiday gatherings, so it works!

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  • [–] 8 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    I spend atleast an hour each week trying to convince my mom UFOs are almost always light reflecting off shit. It's been 20 years. When people believe in the mystery more than the reality it's hard to change their minds.

    Today was "But your uncle saw 3 lights in a triangle pattern over the golf course and they just disappeared!" ... The golf course just off to the side of the flight path of a major international airport. Said golf course is on a hill with a river at the bottom. It was a plane landing or taking off ffs.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 days ago

    UFO believers in 2026 are somewhat hilarious to me. You mean to tell me we have thousands of ultra high resolution satellites around the globe, every airspace is fully mapped for security reasons, we are actively working on astronomy for the entire observable universe, measuring gravitational waves from things millions of lightyears away, and you think we'd miss some alien airplanes hovering in our clouds?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago

    My conservative aunt, a registered nurse, still believe that if women eat cottage cheese enough when pregnant they can influence the outcome of the gender.

    “Something to do with the lactic acid” or some shit.

    Anyways, my repeated assertions, backed by her license and degree and testing she took (and one of her text books I pulled of her shelf) that shows that chromosome is deposited by the male … well.

    It’s no wonder she also believes that “empty oil wells refilling” isn’t actually “improved technology making that bit that wasn’t economically viable before now economically viable” and/or high pressure seepage but rather “the hand of god providing for his people”

    Anyways. She doesn’t get my delicious turkey this year, they aren’t coming … something to do with being a little bitch.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 days ago

    Mine are too delusional for it to matter. They'll just talk amongst themselves about how it was rigged and how the country is doomed.

    And I'll just hide away in my room because I'm not interacting with that.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 days ago

    I welcome anyone to come to the good side and encourage the healthy policies that work and people want them when asked about them.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 days ago

    I don't visit the rightwingers of my family and the leftwingers of my family don't really intermix with them so I'm spared even having to talk to them.

    Actually, there is one "both sides bad" centrist that I get along great with, my brother. I think his politics are very dumb but he is genuinely a well intentioned person. I feel like a hypocrite for tolerating him though considering my lack of patience for anyone else with similar politics.

    I suppose maybe I'll really see once he finds out I'm trans. Don't know if I'm coming out this Thanksgiving though. It wont be obvious by then so I likely will fall under the radar.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 days ago

    I was so well-behaved these midterms I brought up these elections to no one

    But boy did they bring them up to me...

    I was supposed to finally enjoy a short little moment of peace and instead I've slept a total of 8 hours in the past two days...

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  • [–] 3 points 3 days ago

    More fireworks and party with explosion you mean? nice

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  • [–] 3 points 2 days ago

    Just don't go, if it's that bad. Make an excuse, do something else, even if it's alone. Might be better for all concerned.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    Who wants to bet if Epstein files will still remain unreleased?

    It's theatre.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 child)

    They could leak it right now.

    They don't even have to have the actual files in hand. Just share what they've seen with their top secret clearance. One press conference.

    They'd be heroes to every non-billionaire in the USA, and Democrats would hold office for the next 40 years uninterrupted.

    I wonder why they don't? Hmmm. It's a puzzler

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago

    Once you get older this stuff becomes really stupid. You realize that time wasted is a great loss to you.

    There comes a point where you have to be able to stand your ground in silence. You have to realize you cannot change others. You must accept who you are and once that happens, these arguments and the frustration that comes with hearing odd opinions disappear.

    If it bothers you, it's because you want others to believe what you believe and why is that? For right or wrong, do you really believe a world can come to fruition where we only have bliss, peace, and love?

    How do you even measure those things once the balancing act of right and wrong no longer exists?

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