Seems like it's about time for someone to name their kid Zefram!

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[–] [S] 18 points 1 week ago

Sorry, I meant to put this in Quark's and I don't know how to move it.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    What did that particle do to deserve months in isolation? :(

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago

    The trapped positron vowed vengeance upon humanity and became Lore.

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    [–] 103 points 1 week ago (18 children)

    This is actually really exciting! I fucking love anti-matter, always been fascinated by it.

    If anti-matter can exist, why is our universe made of matter? This is the Baryon Asymmetry question that this research seeks to answer. The team has proven they can isolate a single positron. The next step is to measure it to as much accuracy as they have with the electron. Perhaps they will find differences!

    Summer '25 CERN showed that anti-matter baryons (protons, neutrons, etc) decay differently - link. So there's a good chance they might find something!

    Would love to actually see anti-matter but that's a long way off. Really hope anti-matter likes to stick together and we could actually build atoms out of it. Would be crazy to study the properties of anti-water! Maybe that's just science fiction. In any case, very excited for the coming research!

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  • [–] 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

    "Would love to actually see anti-matter" - are you being literal here? because that would require a vacuum between your eyes and antimatter that emits at a visible frequency. Not entirely impossible, but detection and recording of an anti-hydrogen transition wavelength is more easily achievable. This might be no more than an LCD display indicating a non-zero number though. Exciting for sure, but not necessarily a visual spectacle.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

    Yeah very literal. Would need millions of atoms of the stuff. Actually maybe that's too dangerous lol

    We have managed to see a single strontium atom - link. Maybe that's attainable with anti-matter.

    But yeah you're right, capturing an anti-hyrdogen emission would be an huge achievement itself!

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Make the glass of anti water on the moon just in case heh.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    Just for fun I did the Maths.

    Rougly a 100ml glass of anti-water has 100g of anti-water (assuming same density as normal pure water, which is around 1).

    When anti-mater contacts mater it transforms into energy according to E = mc^2^ were E is in Joule and m is in kg.

    For 100g of anti-water to turn into energy in this way it also needs 100g of normal mater, so the number is doubled.

    Using the rounded 300,000,000 m/s for the constant c, the energy released by the annihilation of a 100ml glass of anti-water (and the matching 100g of normal mater) would be 1.8e+16 Joules, equivalent to around 4.3 Megatons of TNT.

    So basically a regular nuclear bomb.

    PS: I actually expected it would be much more energy before I did the maths.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    You did not just write "LCD display". Feel ashamed! >:V

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  • [–] 13 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    If you love antimatter. eat banana. It contains traces of antimatter.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Bananas always get the hype for being particularly rich in potassium-40, which is the unstable isotope, but Brazil nuts have far more, and potato and carrot are about as radioactive as banana.

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  • [–] 120 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    how did this get past the ethics committee

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  • [–] 60 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    Poor particle did nothing bad

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  • [–] 25 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    This is anti-electron astroturfing right here, verging on hate speech.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Everyone calm down. There's enough love in the world for all the different types of particles.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 week ago

    I wonder if it likes one scientist over another scientist

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  • [–] 30 points 1 week ago

    Not gonna be impressed until they teach it to fetch.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    I wonder what they called it,since they tamed it.

    I'm thinking Anton if it's a boy particle, Antonia if it's a girl, and Matty if it's nonbinary.

    Perhaps Antti (Niemi) if it's Finnish 🤷🏻

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  • [–] 13 points 1 week ago

    So it's potty trained and can do tricks now?

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  • [–] 22 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    If movies have taught me anything, that particle isn’t tame. It’s just waiting for it’s moment.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago

    Your move antimatter

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  • [–] 17 points 1 week ago

    Antimatter matters!

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago

    -"Free Anti Matt Er!"

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    How did they know at any given point that it was still there? Wouldn’t they have to interact with it to be sure, causing an explosion and annihilating it? The explosion would be incredibly small with just one particle. Is the lack of explosion their only evidence that they had contained it? I’m stumped as to what it actually means to have one particle like this. How can you even know what temperature it is without interacting with it? And how do you interact with it without destroying it?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Yes, you'd detect gamma rays from the annihilation.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

    The particle does not have to interact directly with matter to be observable.

    Apparently they built what they called a "one-positron quantum cyclotron", meaning they made their single positron "fly in a circle" with magnetic fields to trap it.

    That way you have a moving charge, which you can manipulate with electromagnetic radiation, microwaves in this case, the same way as you could with normal matter. That also means you can make your particle emit electromegnetic radiation that will tell you it is still there without touching anything.

    Still kind of mindblowing, that they can reliably detect anything coming from a single positron though.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (10 children)

    Man the two things I would have liked from the article is how much total energy did this cost to do. Im guessing if it was up scaled it should not cost much more than doing a single particle although I guess more magnetic power do to gravity. Then also it does not say why it only lasted that long. Did they intentionally stop or did something stop working and a particle of regular matter managed to touch it.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    This is just a guess but i reckon they got the data they needed from the experiment so they chose to end it. This is one step in a larger body of work. One of the team members has measured the magnetic moment of the electron extremely precisely and wants to do the same with a positron. I believe this experiment was to show they can capture and manipulate a positron for an extended period of time. Now they can move on to the real measurements!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    Im not so sure. creating antimatter is not trivial. if they could keep it contained indefinately at little cost it would be kept to use with other experiments. Maybe that is why its stopped. To be used with another experiment. I just would like to know why and what its final dispensation was.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    A positron gets created by radioactive decay. Certainly the process to make an appropriate isotope (Sodium 22) is not trivial but the creation anti-matter will just happen.

    Capturing it and storing it is the hard part which the team proved they can do. As they were working with a single positron and have developed the procedure for capturing one there is no reason to keep it for further experiments.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    so again. if the energy used to capture is trivial to the energy used to contain. I want to know that. What im really looking for is the practicality of long term storage.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (3 children)

    Ah sorry i get you! Yeah like how long could we go? Indefinitely?

    Looking at the photo the equipment does seem quite large, it takes up the whole room. Can say for sure they don't have the funding to dedicate that much equipment to a static experiment.

    Do agree with you though. Would be interesting to see the numbers for long term storage.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    yeah and you might be on to something. they might already have ideas to reduce the size or complexity and might follow up using a different design. I have been involved in a lot of projects with a large and ugly prototype to prove some stuff and then greater effort is put into design once they know the idea works.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    Aw yeah for sure they could make it more compact! Would love to see it. If we could actually make meaningful quantities of anti-matter. Could we use it for power? What would transport look like? Anti-matter is one of my favourite subjects lol

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    Once we unlock antimatter-fueled propulsion we could send a probe to the Proxima Centauri system.

    If we try sending one now, even if it escapes the sun's gravity well, it would easily be passed by a future probe if antimatter propulsion is invented within the next century or so.

    Once the probe reaches the system, it would take a little over a decade for a radio signal to reach us. So it would need some built-in automation to run research missions because the latency is just too high for remote control from Earth. Unless some sort of quantum entanglement technology enables instantaneous communication, but that might just be scifi...

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

    For someone knowing jack about this matter^huehue

    How big would be the "explosion" if it would touch matter?

    Edit: Thanks for all the explaining without ridiculing my absence of knowledge.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

    An electron meeting a positron will apparently release 1.022 MeV of energy. I'm no physicist but my understanding is that this isn't huge (it converts to 1.637×10⁻¹³ Joules). For comparison, fission of a uranium-235 nucleus releases about 200 MeV.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    ELI5

    A zap like a fly in an electrical flytrap or more like a small firecracker?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago

    There's a medical test called a PET scan, with PET standing for Positron Emission Tomography. Yes, positron as in antimatter. How it works is the subject is injected with a radioactive substance that decays into antimatter. That antimatter reacts with the normal matter in the subject's body releasing photons. Those photons are then observed by the scanner which builds up a useful picture from them.

    Now, I'm not sure how much antimatter is generated in the subject's body, but it's a hell of a lot more than a single positron. And it all annihilates within the subject who doesn't notice a thing. So a single positron is not going to generate much of a bang.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    a single particle almost nothing. if it was a gram though it would be bad.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 week ago

    Did they ask for consent?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago

    Penning traps have been around for decades.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child)

    What does near absolute zero mean for a single quantum particle?

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    https://physics.stackexchange.com/a/491213

    My rough understanding is that the particle was kept in a non-eigenstate (e.g. laser perturbed eigen state or some perturbed state), and the temperature is defined as the /beta derived as the thermal weight there real world state vs the eigen states (see link).

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago*

    Scientists in 2026: “let’s see how long we can hold onto this extremely angry piece of energy that is absolutely incompatible with our known existence and stability by every metric up until now. It’s probably gonna work, it might not go boom.”

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  • [+] -7 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    someone has to draw that particle on a leash, all tied up, gagged, cumming hard

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