I'm guessing no licensed doctor or nurse or medicine practitioner of any sorts would have wanted to take place in that, so they took whatever muppets they could find?
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Abolish the death penalty. The end. The US clings to practice leading to the largest prison population, the way it clings to its gun policy. Neither are working despite giving it decades to prove itself.
To be fair they aren't really that wrong with their "it's not the guns" meme. Lots of Swiss have guns. They don't have the US problems with gun violence. It really isn't the guns. US citizen are just generally way worse at controlling their anger than other people.
While the 'cause of the problem may not be guns, I don't think it's a good idea to give guns to mentally unstable people.
So that leaves us with either just outright banning guns, because americans have proved they aren't mentally stable enough to handle guns, or requiring monthly checkups with a psychologist to make sure they should still be allowed access to guns. At the expense of the gun owner of course. Wouldn't want free mental healthcare for the masses now, that would be unamerican.
The US has a violence problem. We also have lots of guns.
I love guns. I enjoy shooting them, building them, and collecting them. I've got over 50 firearms ranging from a 50-dollar unbranded used 22 to a "I don't really want to think about how much I've spent on this" custom Bergara precision rifle. And of course I have a ton of optics and a few silencers. I also recognize that most of that collection was too easy for me to get, and that if I were unstable or violent I could cause a lot of harm.
I also concede that the pro-2A crowd has a point that registration of firearms is a line they don't want to cross because it's a necessary first step towards mass confiscation.
And with the current political climate, I'm glad the government doesn't know about my guns. If they could look up how many guns I own and that I'm a leftist, how quickly would they label me as an armed enemy of the state?
The guns are a very hard nut to crack, and the political reality is it's almost impossible to restrict them. There's millions of pro-gun single-issue voters and almost no pro-gun-control single-issue voters.
So the more realistic approach is to violence, not gun violence. We do that by making society more equitable, providing social services, free healthcare (including mental health), and worker protections. Keep peope from being driven by desperation into crime and provide mental healthcare to those who need it, and we'll significantly reduce gun violence without doing a thing about guns themselves.
We all agree that crazy people should not have guns. In Switzerland there are established ways to take away the guns of crazy people. We don't have that. We have 2a which says shall not be abridged meaning that children get nukes. Fuck 2a.
I feel like we will find malice was the motivator.
Can't even provide enough funding for legalized murder while we still have a barbaric death penalty.
And keep in mind, the team struggled so much because they have to find medical staff who are willing to murder someone, to cause harm, because that violates the Hippocratic oath they all take. So most of the time the medical staff aren't qualified individuals, it's whoever will accept the meager pay to murder someone for the state.
Phlebotomists don't take oaths but they didn't even know to look for one willing to do it.
I fear they're more likely to give it to the sick sycophants who salivate at the mouth at the thought of legal murder
Nurses and docs can make bank doing private practices, no need to risk thier careers and license.
That was blatantly obvious from the start. You need iv access, you find people with iv skills. This person did not have those skills and plowed ahead anyway like a sociopath.
I'm super against the death penalty for crimes cause the state has been proven to murder innocents. But I also gave plasma in college for weed money, and those phlebotomists are barely high school graduates. How could they have found someone so incredibly inept‽
I'm not the easiest stick, and there are many so-called phlebotomists that use me as a human pin cushion. Then there are others that can hit my vein on the first stick. It's about 50/50 what experience I will have.
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'Shocked' would indicate an electric chair is possible
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im sure every cell block had 3 or more people that could find a vein in under a minute
As someone who used to place IVs into neonatal veins, this is fucking atrocious.
Any phlebotomist worth their salt is taught that you NEVER run an IV if it doesn’t flush. That’s literally week one shit!
I disagree with the death penalty in general. But this is just beyond anything I can comprehend. Four separate so called medical specialists just set aside their so called training to torture a woman.
This is deplorable.
This woman committed a crime as a teenager then spent 20 years in prison waiting to be murdered by the state. How barbaric. Abolish prisons
Abolish the death penalty. Anyone who has been in county lock up knows we need prisons.
Abolish private prisons. Because there shouldn't be a profit motive involved in housing inmates.
And yes, abolish the death penalty. Because the state can't be trusted to get it right, and it's cheaper to just lock people up for the rest of their lives if necessary.
I am not for the death penalty in any capacity. However, this woman kept trying to murder people while in prison, although in far less horrific and dramatic ways than she murdered Colleen. I imagine the isolation she experienced on death row had an effect on the murder attempt? She needed to be in a psychiatric hospital
(I thought I had read elsewhere that she had two murder attempts on fellow inmates, one involving a romantic partner, but Wikipedia only has one attempt so I'll leave it at that)
Should have been put to death right after the sentence. Read up on what she did she’s a fucking monster and deserves to die.
maybe so. but a gov should not be the one to do it.
Are you suggesting it be a private company or what?
Dumb as fuck take
howso? is a gov gonna make sure they don’t execute anyone innocent?
Yeah because that’s not something we can figure out. Dumbass take AGAIN you literally must be GED material.
you seem to write like you think the gov has never executed a person wrongly? how’s uncle sam’s boot taste?
Never said that just calling you fucking brain dead because all you can do is what about blank!? You put nothing into a conversation you just have dumb as fuck opinion which logically leads me to believe you are also dumb as fuck and probably broke as fuck too because they correlate.
Don't care, the government shouldn't be in the business of executions. You can always, to a lesser or greater extent, make things right with unlawful detention and charging an innocent person. You can't un-kill a person if you get things wrong.
LOL sure let's just let a teen murderer wander around, Should have been zapped the moment guilt was proven.
Moron.
Hey dipshit no one said let murderers wander around. Should check out this thing called critical thinking and couple it with empathy so we can get out of biblical ages eye for an eye bullshit.
Eye for an eye isn't bullshit. It's saying to always make sure the punishment is proportional to the crime. Before that you'd get people being punished much more harshly than their crime could possibly justify. We still do, of course, but we used to as well.
A civilized society abhors all murder, even murder performed by the state. A child that murders may be guilty of ending a life, but society is guilty for allowing that child to reach the point where they were in a position to end a life. The point of prison is should be to reform. punishment for punishment sake isn't an effective deterrent to crime.
They should be blacklisted from even cleaning a dentist office's toilet. Being anywhere near an execution should be equivalent of having patient SA on their record.
Why the hell don't we just swap their air supply with nitrogen? No medical knowledge needed, no pharmacy needed. Considering the number of engineers in the defense industry they don't exactly have a Hippocratic oath. Most of air is nitrogen so your body doesn't fight it. You just feel stupid and loopy and high like losing cabin pressure in a airplane. CO2 or Helium would work as well.
Why dont you just stop behaving like barbarians and give an end to this practice?
CO2 makes you panic, that would be horrific.
They botch that too. The few times they've done it the prisoner ends up suffocating to death because they don't vacate the CO2
Abolish the death penalty
Nitrogen is preferred. Your body can detect elevated CO2 levels and make you start to gasp breath. Helium would make the person’s voice go squeaky. I don’t think anyone involved wants the condemned shouting in a Mickey Mouse voice before they die.
CO2, absolutely no! Elevated carbonic acid in your blood causes a very visceral reaction.
Sometime, as a little treat for yourself, see if you can huff the whiff of nearly pure CO² gasthat forms in the neck of a coke bottle when it is first opened.
That little whisp of vapor.
It's neat to see how carbon dioxide feels to breathe.
We think this would humane, but we dont actually know is my understanding.
Not that this was humane either.
Edit: i think you meant CO, not CO2.
If I was a doctor and I successfully administered a fatal dose of sedative to a patient surely that would be malpractice?
Hopefully the use of lethal injection comes to an end. It costs more than 1 million dollars per dose which is just overwhelmingly stupid. They could employ a 5-man firing squad and pay them a year's worth of wages for less than the cost of a lethal injection, and the bullets would cost less than $100 per execution.
Medical experts shocked by Tennessee team’s ‘malpractice’ in Christa Pike’s failed execution team . . .
Were you, though? Were you really?
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