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[–] 103 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

All jokes aside, I usually do want to read the six Wikipedia pages because getting a one-sentence answer with no context is risky and not all that useful anyway. I need the nuance and background info for any question worth asking.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago

    If you need nuance and background, wikipedia is NOT the place to get that. Maybe you can get some good links at the bottom of the page to real information, but that can be hit or miss also.

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  • [+] -8 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    for any question worth asking

    Do you really mean questions about things people might not know that yet have simple answers that don't need pages of context, are not worth asking?

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  • [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago

    I would say that even simple answers at least deserve a source or citation. This is my biggest complaint with AI search, you get an "answer" with no qualification. The citations listed in the AI summary often don't contain the actual info being presented.

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  • [–] 51 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

    AI overview uses around 20 times more energy than regular searches.

    It's absolutely batshit crazy that most search engine put it on by default just for it to summarize a wiki page 90% of the time. It's like we're collectively pushing for a mass extinction.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    What's even crazier is for a lot of things we already had a quick result overview. Like if you wanted the definition of a word. For a long time it was the case that you could just "define socks" and you'd get a widget at the top with the definition. Why would you replace that with AI, and have an AI process that request every single time someone wants to define socks instead of just keeping the old widget!?

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  • [–] 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Indeed.

    I'm pretty sure a good percentage of the searches are also just people typing the name of the website they want to access in the search bar. They don't want any information, just a link. All these searches now consume a massive amout of energy for basically nothing.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    I sure would hope that those AI overviews are cached. Querying an LLMs for every repeated search sounds very wasteful

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  • [–] 26 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Yesterday there was a weird play in the Thursday Night Football game where the Bears' quarterback handed the ball to an offensive lineman, who ran it in for a touchdown. The referees threw a flag and called the play back because it was an "illegal handoff", which I had never seen before.

    I was texting my brother during the game and we both commented on how weird it was. My brother googled it and read the AI summary, which said the play was legal - citing a reddit thread from several years ago. He was like "Google says the play was legal - the refs got it wrong!"

    I had to go to the NFL rulebook and dig through a bunch of sections before confirming that the refs were correct and you can't do that.

    AI is absolute dogshit for anything that requires a bit of nuance. But it is really fast at serving up that dogshit, so a lot of lazy people would rather just accept a quick wrong answer than a slow correct one.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 weeks ago

    It's not just wrong. It's plausibly wrong, which is worse. It's the difference between giving someone a recipe for cookies where you fuck up the ratio of flour and sugar vs giving someone a recipe for cooking where you've jokingly put "50 pounds of gunpowder" in there as an ingredient. People know the obvious wrong thing is wrong. But they'll bake the fucked up ratio cookies and then just not know what went wrong.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    It would have been a legal play IF the lineman had checked in with the referee as an "eligible" receiver before the play. But evidently he screwed up and report in. It's not a common play in the NFL, but every team has such a play on hand.

    So that's kind of a "it needs context" question.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    But check out this awesome ai recommendation I got when searching for Halloween 2026... (Fuck everything about this btw, no sarcasm)

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago

    Lmao, I guess my internal ad filter is still working because I had to look at that twice to notice it and wondered if there was a new Halloween movie coming out this year or something. Agreed, fuck that shit.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)
  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago

    The funniest part is I've gotten better answers from duckeuckgo and Bing's AI back in the day because they both didn't treat reddit as a reputable source of info lmao.

    Dunno how the scene is now, but I wouldn't be surprised if its the same.

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  • [–] 39 points 2 weeks ago* (3 children)

    May I suggest DuckDuckGo? They let you turn off the AI summary.

    They even have a direct URL for it if you don't want to change the setting: https://noai.duckduckgo.com/

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  • [–] 16 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    AI has never been 100% accurate to the documents it pretends to reference, so the fact that anybody could even consider reading it like it's not pure gibberish is mind boggling to me.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    I gave Claude a document to proofread today. It came back with an error. Clause said I used "told" instead of "tell." The error ended up being Claude's error, as I used "tell," and it was just confused.

    This was the first time I ever used Claude. Just wanted to see what it was like. It did apologize, in fairness. But yeah, it's clearly fallible. I guess I don't understand it well enough to get how it read the document incorrectly. I'm baffled.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago

    It's because it's a statistical model that guesses the next word. You asked it to read a document and formulate a response. So, based on responses in the dataset to the documents in the dataset, it chose the words and phrases which were most likely to be in a response.

    Statistically, the most likely result the machine could come up with, was that you had used the wrong word. Factually, you did not.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Me after losing 6 days of testing broken theories from an ai search when I could have just spent an hour watching a video that a human made that was fully functional from the start.

    That said: No doubt that human spent way longer discovering the technique and then making the video: this should also be considered as a reality that creating something good takes time. And humans are still better at creating scalable content just give them the proper R&D time ffs.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    You may either read all of them up front, or read all of them when verifying the validity of the ai summary. Your choice.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago

    THIS! I recall somebody doing contract review and having AI summarize the contracts just to see how well they did... The AI left out some really important stuff and also occasionally hallucinated stuff that wasn't there. Summarizing a contract should be pretty black-n-white -- if AI can't handle that properly, I'm not going to trust its summary of something more complex.

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  • I like the old ways because I also see/learn about unexpected things.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago

    Wikipedia has an app. It's half of why I Google stuff. Usually a good place for quick answers, and an ok place to start digging in.

    I'm half amazed at how bad Google has gotten, but that's probably just me remembering the early days of web searches.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago

    I've replaced search engines with Wikipedia as the first step in looking for information. skimming an article is much faster than opening and closing a dozen sloppy s.e.o. 'd websites :p

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago

    When the old new ways become the old ways and i cant keep up with the new new ways

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    This grew from ‘I don’t want Wikipedia, I’ll pay $150 a month to Encyclopaedia Brittannica for a set of 60 books the way God intended…’

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    That and TVTropes of course

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago

    Let them waste money on generating an AI overview I'll happily skip on my way to the wikipedia link.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    6? That's rookie numbers man, you gotta pump those numbers up.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago

    This is the way

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago

    There's a site for that..let me remember the name.. Wikipedia! There it is.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

    I hate it when i need to google programming stuff because Google Gemini LOVES to make stuff up and takes up half a page trying to answer

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    stop googling, start ducking.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    I know the rankings change like every month, but isn't Gemini one of the "dumber" ones? I've only tried it a few times and got annoyed, but it's been a while.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago

    That's right. I didn't put the question in the search bar for you to tell me the answer. That question was the first shoveling of dirt in a 6 hour rabbit hole that I was fixing to explore.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago

    If you use Google just type -AI after your search and it removes the AI.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Yep. I still have yet to see an actual use for AI. People are like “but summaries!” Summarize this: summaries are only useful if the information being summarized doesn’t matter, which to me means you could just skip the entire thing.

    This isn’t a high school test, this is real life. Why are you trying to use SparkNotes?

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  • [–] -2 points 2 weeks ago

    They are great to tell you the words you need to search for something; they are great for analyzing "vibes" out of texts; they are reasonably good to generate you a link to some site that answers a hard to find question, traditional search would be better if there were any one around that isn't completely broken.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 weeks ago

    As someone with ADHD, I disagree. Sometimes the information is important, and I don't want to have to dig through a wall of text to find it. One thing that annoys me about normies when they write, is that they tend to blab on forever on things that don't matter instead of getting straight to the point.

    If people wouldn't use so many unnecessary words, I wouldn't need a god damn LLM to summarize their ramblings into something my brain can actually parse.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    I have it disabled through an extension on my phone's Iceraven browser. Can't bother reading those. I need the Wikipedia/website info.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Join the elite: create an account and pay $120/year to a private American company for search results.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    That's still full of AI, the filter quality you can see for yourself without an account for a limited amount of searches. If I search an image and the URLs on slop I see in the results with the slop filter enabled that literally contains keywords related to AI slop and KAGI doesn't filter them out...well, I draw conclusions.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

    A search engine you have to sign up for?

    Edit: its a paid for service hence the login required. Looks like its starts at $5/mo for 300 searches per month. How many search do you all average per month?

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  • [–] -2 points 2 weeks ago

    …and then have an AI summarize those six Wikipedia articles because you can't find the answer you're looking for in them.

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