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[–] 25 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

But their party leaders being pedophile rapists is totally okay.. priorities, man...

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  • [–] 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    They're raping someone else's kids in some other place. That doesn't impact me. I can see the data center like right over there though.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Make sure you are registered, make sure you show up and vote!!

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (2 children)

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    I still see an awful lot of support for mango Mussolini.

    It's less that they are voting for democrats and more that they are voting against data centers.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    I still see an awful lot of support for mango Mussolini.

    In person or via the media that billionaires control?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    In person. I live in a very red state. Actually had some dumb fuck spouting "go woke go broke" at the hardware store. The trump backed republican option won the republican primary. And other bullshit. They are too entrenched to even hope a change will happen here. Still voting and pushing others to. But it feels Sisyphean.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    The thing is, data centers don't have to be so awful, but the billionaires DGAF about anyone else so they make them cheap, which means they don't produce their own electricity and they don't use cooling methods that are quieter and greener.

    Basically the Epstein class is doing what they always do, they are minimizing their costs by being bad citizens and often paying off local politicians to do so. The thing is, the Republican party is a huge grift machine now. So they are happy to take corporate money to fuck over their own constituents.

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    [–] 39 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

    Just wait until they hear about what billionaires are doing to their children.

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  • [–] 35 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

    Yea.. my super maga dad is all pissed off about data centers. Don't think it would get him to vote dem, but it did sway his primary vote towards an anti DC candidate.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    I thought yall guys over there are all proud of how the US is the epicenter of the whole internet. Hmmm, I wonder, where said internet is hosted.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago

    Most couldn't care less, and people like my dad has a rudimentary understanding of how the internet works anyway.

    And the issue the US is having with data centers isn't generally with infrastructure like hosting ones, but the mass build out of hyperscale AI data centers with no regard to available power, water, etc.

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  • [–] 31 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (14 children)

    A shitton of voters will NEVER vote for a Dem, no matter how bad things get. For some it's gun rights, for others it's being anti-abortion or anti-LGBT, and most believe liberals are EXTREMISTS because Fox News pounds that into their brain 24/7.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (11 children)

    i wonder if they would change their behavior even if both parties changed their stances on the issues, like republicans calling for gun bans (for anyone on their shitlist) and democrats to keep it as it is

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

    I think if dems would quit attacking guns they would dominate.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

    Lmao.

    I can't even think of anything they do other than ban assault weapons and implement red flag laws. They just usually say "sensible gun reform", and, like, everyone agrees with that, so I just don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

    Legitimately, the only time I hear about Dems attacking guns is when there's a fucking election and Republicans and gun manufacturers claim they'll take your guns away. I'm still waiting on Obama to take my guns.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Wasn't Reagan the one who initially implemented California's restrictive gun laws?

    And, of course, we all know which president said "take the guns first, go through due process second" during his first term. But, to be fair, Obama's been living rent-free in that guy's head for more than a decade...

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago

    Wasn’t Reagan the one who initially implemented California’s restrictive gun laws?

    Yes, because the black panthers were doing the kind of things that white gun owners fantasize about (actually using the guns for community self defense)

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    They just usually say “sensible gun reform”, and, like, everyone agrees with that

    I don’t mean to be disrespectful, but you are deeply out of touch with American gun owners if you think “everyone agrees with” “sensible gun reform.” Lots of gun owners vote purely to maintain the same level of access to guns we have now. They call it voting “straight 2A” and they will never vote for any Democrat because they perceive them as “gun grabbers” who are negotiating in bad faith.

    America has so many guns that to do anything about it we need to talk about a serious cultural transformation on a level with “Japan banning people from carrying swords in public” paired with the kind of mutual, transparent disarmament that happens in countries after a civil war. “Sensible gun reform” is an interesting idea because it simultaneously doesn’t go nearly far enough and is also considered way too extreme by many gun owners.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago

    Fair. I do still think that everyone agrees with that because while these people don't want anyone to touch any rights, they'll ostensibly agree that "some people" shouldn't have guns, whether that's criminals or "criminals" or what have you.

    So, in a way, I do think even 2A people agree, they just don't think that it is either possible ("criminals will just ignore the law" like you can just find guns wherever) or that it's the intention behind gun control (going after political dissidents).

    My statement was more that the gun control that Democrats propose is basically nothing, and that it's just a fucking wedge issue that also happens to consistently make gun manufacturers money. Are Dems supposed to lie and say letting teachers have guns solves gun violence in schools to appease these fuckers? Like, what the fuck are we talking about here?

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  • [–] 25 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Polls regarding voting intent have become incredibly unreliable over the last decade.

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  • [–] 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    It's not the data centers that people hate, it's the total, absolute lack of care of human well being that can only come from conservative leadership implementing said data center, the software, the laws, the AI, the jobs, the taxes, the society, etc.

    Oh wait, this isn't actually about datacenters at all, it's because Republicans are fucking awful human beings and awful at everything, and are ruining everything.

    Wow! 🌈 🔔 🎉

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago

    that is why all these massive AI datancenters are mostly in republican/rural areas, they know there will be little to no pushback from the gop controlled states, or the people living there. republicans in general do not protests en masse, they may vote this one time against them.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 weeks ago

    I'll believe it when I see it.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 weeks ago* (1 child)

    It is seriousely beyond me that for so many people it first has to hurt them before they react. Instead of thinking long term based and not short term emotional and egotistical

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago

    I've witnessed so much of it at this point that I've come to accept it.

    It still hurts to watch though. Nothing you do will convince them until they hurt just like the rest of us. Even if you tell them that it will hurt them eventually, even if you beg and plead for their own safety, until they feel that pain they won't care.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 weeks ago

    Never going to happen.

    Watching all the farmers on TikTok blame "Washington " for their current trade woes have taught me that they will not do one thing to change their political "views". They will never vote for the market liberals.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Decades of leftist organizing couldn't do it. One server farm drinking the town aquifer to make AI slop did it in a year.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    Rural American voters weren’t actually the conservative base they are today until relatively recently, at least not in all the same ways we see them today. Through the first half of the 20th century rural mine workers and even agriculturalists all over were part of progressive movements of their time.

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  • [–] [S] 29 points 3 weeks ago

    Turns out »bringing the future to rural America« is a tougher sell when the future arrives as a windowless warehouse guzzling water and electricity while your bills climb. Republicans get the backlash, Democrats get the votes, and both parties get checks from the same tech lobby. Truly bipartisan innovation.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    are they, or they just only vote on this single issue, and then they go right back to voting republican.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago* (1 child)

    they got their abortion 'win', guns aren't being 'taken away', dipshit is doing a bang-up job hating the 'correct people' and shredding social services, and the climate change hoax is sufficiently contained (it is not, but these are science deniers)....

    so i guess there's no single issue left that's calling them... so 'data centers' it is.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 weeks ago

    Strong guarantee that the data center issue is not enough to get conservatives voting for any democrat no matter how much they talk about jesus or whatever

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  • [–] 16 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    I'll believe it when Trump is hanging from a lamppost. Until then, these headlines are disinformation and should be disregarded.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    I don’t really believe this. Yes, a lot hate data centers but they blame dems.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    They blame dems, but it seems like they see the less mainstream democrats that are pushing away from the corporate dems as more promising, like there have been a handful of former Trump voters who said they liked Mamdani because he's doing something different and trying to make things more affordable for average people.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    Some Republican operatives called a bunch of voters who flipped from Trump to Mamdani and asked why? And some of them said Mamdani was conservative. The operatives were like no he's not he's socialist, to which they said Mamdani was talking about things being affordable, which is a conservative position. These people really are fucking stupid as shit.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    There's a travel Youtuber I used to watch who goes around to places in the US to "just ask questions" to the locals. (read: looks for conservative opinions)

    He has a couple of videos where he goes to natural disaster affected areas. The locals said in the Trump years the government provided more support than the Biden administration. I'm finding that kind of hard to believe considering the news stories seem to say the opposite.

    Polls might go one way or the other on certain issues, but the GOP has done a good job of psychologically priming their base to reflexively default voting for them in the end.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago*

    alot of these travel influencers, target democratic cities mostly and always look for the worst parts of it, to make a gotcha" dem cities are trashy hellholes". they never go to red states, or rural areas to do this. i think one of them is tyler, hes a conservative "travel" influencer that goes to blue cities , the shadiest parts, theres at least another one too.

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  • [–] 59 points 3 weeks ago (15 children)

    Nothing will push them to vote Dem.

    They may vote for an independent candidate or not vote at all, but they will not vote Dem, regardless of how many Dem policies align with their own.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 child)

    Obama won in 2012. Trump won in 2016. Then a bunch of his voters switched and Biden won in 2020. And then a bunch of his voters switched to Trump in 2024.

    It seems inarguable that a critical number of voters are absolutely capable of changing their minds.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 weeks ago

    What you’re missing is that not the same amount of people voted in all of those elections. 2012 and 2020 had high voter participation, 2016 and 2024 did not. Trump got fewer votes in 2016 than Romney did in 2012. If everyone who voted for Obama in 2012 had also voted for Clinton, Trump never would have won.

    Same thing with ‘24, if everyone who voted for Biden in ‘20 had voted for Harris in ‘24, we never would’ve had Trump 2. This is why I think Trump isn’t very popular, he just wins by default when the Dems run a bad campaign or have an uninspiring candidate (side note, I totally think America is ready for a woman president, just not Clinton or Harris specifically)

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  • [–] 47 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    That defeatism is exactly what the fascists want.

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  • [–] 21 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Is it really defeatism, though? Simply not voting at all could turn tides. And it's not like Republicans haven't proven them right again and again and again and again. Republicans are conditioned HARD to never, ever consider voting for a Democrat.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    I think it is considering the assertion was they're never going to change... On an article about them changing.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago

    It's not saying that Republicans are voting Democrat, though. It's just saying there's a surge in votes for Democrats in rural areas that are traditionally conservative. That could mean that Republicans are voting for Democrats, but past evidence suggests it's far more likely to just be latent Democrats actually bothering to go out and vote in areas where they'd traditionally get drowned out.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago

    Some of them actually will. Not everyone who dumbly voted for Trump is a hardcore magat, it just looks that way on social media

    I live in maga central and I do know people who've changed over to voting for Dems.

    There's really no need for this level of cynicism. I understand why you feel this way but it doesn't help anything.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago

    Nailed it. I've seen posts on local social media literally descring what you just said. They won't vote D no matter what, but they wont vote R this election either so they are staying home.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    independants are really just aligned with the gop, as spoilers.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    No they aren't. I live in a rural area and independents are basically moderate Democrats without the branding. It's the only way to win local elections without being in the GOP. And they do win elections pretty regularly

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  • [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    More copium for the masses. No one is leaving MAGA. Anyone smart enough to do this would have done it back when he was found to have raped children. The rest are bought and paid for simps.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    Ms. Whitmer you killed your career over buildings

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  • [–] 11 points 3 weeks ago (13 children)

    It's too bad that Democrats are also pro data center.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

    Yes. But it is important to note that ACTUAL Democrats and left wing candidates in local elections are not the same as the corporate neoliberals

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

    How in the ever loving fuck do you figure that? Democrats are a neoliberal party from the top down. The only places they allow leftists to actually run are places they'd win as a third party anyway. Democrats exist to stop the left just as much as Republicans.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    Uh, no they aren't because they have democratic socialists and social Democrats? What do you mean?

    You think Bernie, AOC, Tallarico, Ilhan Omar, etc are all neoliberals?

    Please don't, we already have to fight all of these blue magas without takes like this.

    I know that the corporate Democrats (neoliberals) are funding maga against the left. That's my issue with them. But the party does have good people in it although they are not in control at all right now

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    Is your definition of neoliberal "anyone who doesn't agree with me on 100% of issues?"

    If not, can you give examples of issues that someone could disagree with you on which would not get them branded as a "neoliberal"?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

    Yes. That's what I was referring to. They seem to be reasonable neoliberals that are not pushing away the left and actively attack MAGA. They should get kudos for that.

    *Note that it sounds like his decision on the trans athlete thing was what I was praising but I'm talking about his focus on the working class and holding maga feet to the fire

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    reasonable neoliberals

    I just....... What.....

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    You don't agree that Ossof and Tallarico are reasonable? There are some over there that are attempting to read the room. Even Obama endorsed Al-Sayad.

    You can see the hate I get for pointing out the problems with the Dems but I will still give credit where it is due. But the party leadership and committees are completely captured

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  • [–] -2 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    The problems with the data centers are not the data centers. It's the missing environmental regulations. Democrats have some ideas about that.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago

    As we’ve seen with the Trump administration, environmental regulations can be rolled back at any time. Better to oppose them at every step than allow the oligarchs to sneak them in with false promises.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

    It's funny I see this interviews etc... and I'm still not convinced

    the dumbest rural 24/7 fox news watching, over 50 year old, truck driving, mozzarella stick and ice cream treat eating, "Applebee's, redlobster and olive garden are fancy eatin" Hogs will never vote in a democrat.

    Like if Kansas, Iowa, or Nebraska flips blue maybe I'll change my mind

    if Mississippi flips blue I'll go to church

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Best you can hope for with people that deep in the red mindset is to discourage them from voting. They can't bring themselves to vote for a "Dumbocrat", but if they hate their own party's option enough, they won't vote for them either, just stay home in miserable despair.

    That's what we have to hope for.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 weeks ago*

    Conservative rural voters don't detest datacenters, they detest density, traffic, noise, etc. they assume datacenters will bring. This same "not in my backyard"-ism defeats other things that would be environmentally good, but sometimes folksy ignorance happens by chance to do the right thing.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago

    Conservative rural voters are already demonstrably susceptible to propaganda.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago

    we aint all that happy with them down south neither

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    People are forgetting the largest group of data centers are motivating: non-voters and non-voters tend to not have a party affiliation and thus will probably vote Democrat, like they did in 2020

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago

    Anything that touch and disturb upon public way of life, their basic rights and ultimately their home is deserved all of detest and spite.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 weeks ago

    Nah, pedonald is still at 36%, nothing will change that.

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